Ebeli Quest: How to Manage your Plot Devices and Save Creation
Spear
Sun-In-Rags
- Location
- North Macedonia
[X] Appeal to self-interest, for the enemy's goal achieved would see them try to diminish her, to drag her along towards Oblivion with the Engine of Extinction
I really don't want to do a write-in for this. Really, don't do write-ins in general unless given specific direction and aren't based on some unconfirmed assumptions.
I've seen a lot of write-ins that want to do clever things fail because people missed something really obvious and bandwagoned.
So that leaves Love, which while not ideal would probably work. Gaea is nature, both red in tooth and claw and all loving emerald mother.
Edit: changed to self-interest. Nature is possibly the most pragmatic think I can think of.
I really don't want to do a write-in for this. Really, don't do write-ins in general unless given specific direction and aren't based on some unconfirmed assumptions.
I've seen a lot of write-ins that want to do clever things fail because people missed something really obvious and bandwagoned.
So that leaves Love, which while not ideal would probably work. Gaea is nature, both red in tooth and claw and all loving emerald mother.
Edit: changed to self-interest. Nature is possibly the most pragmatic think I can think of.
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- Location
- Castle
Well, if we tell her the enemy is a Third Circle from a Dead Autochton from a parallel dimension she might lend her help.
If she hates Auto-kun she surely would hate more a Dead Auto-kun, specially if we tell her the Engine of Extinction can only replicate things instead of evolving.
If she hates Auto-kun she surely would hate more a Dead Auto-kun, specially if we tell her the Engine of Extinction can only replicate things instead of evolving.
[X] Appeal to self-interest, for the enemy's goal achieved would see them try to diminish her, to drag her along towards Oblivion with the Engine of Extinction
Yeahs, having survival of the fittest as a theme means self-interest always ends up number one.
Yeahs, having survival of the fittest as a theme means self-interest always ends up number one.
- Location
- Castle
[X] Appeal to self-interest, for the enemy's goal achieved would see them try to diminish her, to drag her along towards Oblivion with the Engine of Extinction
- Location
- Pittsburgh, PA
[X] Appeal to love. Luna was created to guard Creation- if Creation was a mistake, was Luna a mistake? And if Luna is dedicated to protecting Creation, how can Gaia so readily abandon it?
-[X] Moreover, what does she think will happen if the Engine of Extinction devours Creation? It will fall upon her next, and then it will spread forth through the Well into every Creation on every shard until it finds the Shining Answer itself - and uses its broken pieces as fuel for its limitless consumption. If love cannot sway her, then at least let her defend the object of her faith.
Sure, the Bishop probably wants everything to be swallowed by the Void because he's interpreting the Neverborn's mangled pleas for release as a religious imperative, and the Princess Magnificent would happily do it because she considers the world to have ended when the Terrestrials and Sidereals rebelled against their masters, so it's only proper that even the infinity of the Wyld be erased, so that the Deliberative's rule shall have no further attempted successors.
Most of the others, not so much.
No, the real issue for Gaea is that if Creation goes, Luna probably goes with it - either she falls in the last stand of its inhabitants or she slowly follows it to the grave, starved of life and breath without her domain to sustain her.
The actual issue is that the Engine of Extinction, as some have already noted, will happily feed Gaea's screaming corpus into its rusted gears and shit her back out again as a Never-Dying monstrosity once it's done grinding up this shard for spare parts.
-[X] Moreover, what does she think will happen if the Engine of Extinction devours Creation? It will fall upon her next, and then it will spread forth through the Well into every Creation on every shard until it finds the Shining Answer itself - and uses its broken pieces as fuel for its limitless consumption. If love cannot sway her, then at least let her defend the object of her faith.
Well, Oblivion's goal is to let the Neverborn finally be at peace. Currently, the plan to do that involves completely unraveling Creation, which would probably have repercussions on the Wyld around at least as significant as what happened when the Primordials first imposed it upon the Chaos Beyond Time And Permanence. Maybe that fucks up the Wyld, maybe it resets it to the Lovecraftian achronal realm it was before the Primordials came through, but whatever the case the only hope of the Neverborn is that it will be enough to disperse their rotting corpses and blast the shattered ruin of their minds from existence.
Sure, the Bishop probably wants everything to be swallowed by the Void because he's interpreting the Neverborn's mangled pleas for release as a religious imperative, and the Princess Magnificent would happily do it because she considers the world to have ended when the Terrestrials and Sidereals rebelled against their masters, so it's only proper that even the infinity of the Wyld be erased, so that the Deliberative's rule shall have no further attempted successors.
Most of the others, not so much.
No, the real issue for Gaea is that if Creation goes, Luna probably goes with it - either she falls in the last stand of its inhabitants or she slowly follows it to the grave, starved of life and breath without her domain to sustain her.
The actual issue is that the Engine of Extinction, as some have already noted, will happily feed Gaea's screaming corpus into its rusted gears and shit her back out again as a Never-Dying monstrosity once it's done grinding up this shard for spare parts.
FunkyEntropy
Occasionally insightful, possibly grumpy
- Location
- Los Angeles
Hmm. Call it a hunch, but I feel like arguments along the lines of, "watch out, this guy can totally kick your ass" are uniquely unpersuasive against someone whose central themes include the idea that people that get their asses kicked totally have it coming.
jaiveer00
Siding With Thanos
- Location
- The Beginning and The End
gaia's gonna steal luna, isn't she? the actual moon itself...
If Gaia's theme is Evolution and Life, then it's Survival of the Fittest, not Survival of the Strongest. You adapt in whichever way you can, not just by getting stronger. She covers predators and prey, parasitism and symbiosis, producers and scavengers.
She probably understands preparation and misdirection, not just smashing thing and direct fights. Admittedly, she's more liable to turn the Kukla into a trap, or move it somewhere else, as opposed to just putting it to sleep. Since a trap falls under ambush predator tactics and moving it somewhere else falls under prey tactics.
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
[X]Appeal to love. Luna was created to guard Creation- if Creation was a mistake, was Luna a mistake? And if Luna is dedicated to protecting Creation, how can Gaia so readily abandon it?
Gaia is very unlikely to care about duty. She is Nature, animal instinct and primal growth. She's still a Primordial, and that limits how she thinks; ideas like duty are foreign to her. But love... ah, love.
Gaia is very unlikely to care about duty. She is Nature, animal instinct and primal growth. She's still a Primordial, and that limits how she thinks; ideas like duty are foreign to her. But love... ah, love.
Just checking, her themes are growth and survival and evolution, right? If so...
[X] Appeal to her themes. As long as Creation doesn't kill them, it will make Primordials, herself included, stronger. Mistakes are there to stir you in new directions, to allow you to overcome yourself. Without scars, how would one remember wounds?
-[X] If that fails, appeal to love. Luna was created to guard Creation- if Creation was a mistake, was Luna a mistake? And if Luna is dedicated to protecting Creation, how can Gaia so readily abandon it?
[X] Appeal to her themes. As long as Creation doesn't kill them, it will make Primordials, herself included, stronger. Mistakes are there to stir you in new directions, to allow you to overcome yourself. Without scars, how would one remember wounds?
-[X] If that fails, appeal to love. Luna was created to guard Creation- if Creation was a mistake, was Luna a mistake? And if Luna is dedicated to protecting Creation, how can Gaia so readily abandon it?
GreggHL
Engaging hilarity engine/air intake
- Location
- Daejeon, Republic of Korea
It should be noted that 'appeal to love' is also falling into the time-honored tradition of 'An Exalted kicks a Primordial in the face.' Only in a figurative way rather than literal way. Because it's less 'Do it for your love' and more 'Are you calling Luna a mistake when she's right here?'
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Luna wasn't actually made to guard Creation. She was made to help shield Creation from the Unconquered Sun, and to give Gaia a reason to stay in Creation, preferably with Cytherea, who made Luna along with Oramus.
- Location
- National Capital Region, USA
[X] Appeal to love. Luna was created to guard Creation- if Creation was a mistake, was Luna a mistake? And if Luna is dedicated to protecting Creation, how can Gaia so readily abandon it?
GreggHL
Engaging hilarity engine/air intake
- Location
- Daejeon, Republic of Korea
Yes, but that's not something we necessarily know.
Well it's not a SHINING answer but...
GreggHL
Engaging hilarity engine/air intake
- Location
- Daejeon, Republic of Korea
[X]Appeal to love. Luna was created to guard Creation- if Creation was a mistake, was Luna a mistake? And if Luna is dedicated to protecting Creation, how can Gaia so readily abandon it?
You address omnipotence. You know to tread carefully. Of course, careful is for mortals, and you are exalted. So you grab the Incarnae of the Moon by the crook of her arm and step forward.
"Creation was a mistake? Is Luna a mistake as well? Because she was made to protect Creation."
The twin suns dim- narrow, not dim. Focus, like lasers. Maaaaaaaybe not the best choice of words. "Technically I was made to protect Creation from the Sun," Luna whispers, "Also, to keep Gaia from wandering off. But, good start~"
"Can you so readily abandon the very Creation which is the purpose for which the one you love was created? The very place she protects while you wander the chaos?" You point at the face- the face much like your own, at least from a distance. "Make no mistake, though. If Creation falls, it does not just fade away. There is still Oblivion to contend with and..."
Okay. Maybe you should ask? Because really, this is probably the best chance.
"What are you searching for?" You shrug, releasing Luna. "And have you found anything?"
The great face smiles. It is not a reassuring smile, but more the 'impending revelation' smile. Your vision turns white- the awarness, tied with that of the undiminished Primordial, becomes something...more. Something vast. You hold onto your sense of self, of mortality, to make sense of it.
(Wits+Integrity, 16 dice, 10 successes)
You manage to. It manages to not overwhelm you. But before you- at least, as interpreted by your senses, is something. Some nascent. Vast shapes in the ether of the deep Chaos. At first glance, they remind you of Unshaped you've come across when traveling the Wyld. Except they're not as chaotic. Or maybe more chaotic?
"Those-"
Wait. Why would Gaia be interested in Raksha?
…
oh.
"Those aren't Raksha." You can see...differences. Maybe similarities. Lesser than what you would expect, but maybe that's because they're still nascent. Still developing. Are those- Can they be? This far out in the Faraway? Maybe out past the faraway?
(Int+Occult, 16 dice, +6 autosuccesses, 15 successes)
You have no way to know for sure. You have so little to compare it to. But there are so few other things that would attract Gaia's attention like this.
"Are those Primordials?"
"Someday, perhaps." She takes a smaller form, easier for you to comprehend. A woman with red hair and a young face. Remarkably similar to your mother. "We are unique. But just because we are unique does not mean that we cannot be the only ones in the infinite possibilities of the Wyld. These are not a Primordial Host. But at the same time, I cannot say they are not one."
You nod. "Dreamers, then."
Gaia cocks an eyebrow. "Then it's really important that you help us," you state.
The nascent primordials disappear. You are back- before the titanic face. And why is that?
"Because the enemy that seeks to awaken Kukla and destroy Creation is the subsoul of the Engine of Extinction. One from another universe, who's traveled through the Well of Udr to consume Creation, and then Autochthon."
The eyes of the titan narrow. But not to gaze upon you with disapproval. Rather, to gaze at the encounter suit.
And so once more we are all threatened.
Sorcerer?
Autochthon's voice. Private, between the two of you. Yes? You send back.
May I have permission to...what is the word...be let off the leash, as it were?
You blink. Did he just ask to do something stupid? That's new. Well, you need more information. Before I say yes or no, why?
Because Gaia is, once again, being an immense hypocrite and the heroic resolve you've managed to impart on my via your magicks is compelling me to finally, after countless millenium, call her out on it.
[ ]Do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
[ ]Let me do eeeeeeeeeeeeet.
[ ]Write in.
You address omnipotence. You know to tread carefully. Of course, careful is for mortals, and you are exalted. So you grab the Incarnae of the Moon by the crook of her arm and step forward.
"Creation was a mistake? Is Luna a mistake as well? Because she was made to protect Creation."
The twin suns dim- narrow, not dim. Focus, like lasers. Maaaaaaaybe not the best choice of words. "Technically I was made to protect Creation from the Sun," Luna whispers, "Also, to keep Gaia from wandering off. But, good start~"
"Can you so readily abandon the very Creation which is the purpose for which the one you love was created? The very place she protects while you wander the chaos?" You point at the face- the face much like your own, at least from a distance. "Make no mistake, though. If Creation falls, it does not just fade away. There is still Oblivion to contend with and..."
Okay. Maybe you should ask? Because really, this is probably the best chance.
"What are you searching for?" You shrug, releasing Luna. "And have you found anything?"
The great face smiles. It is not a reassuring smile, but more the 'impending revelation' smile. Your vision turns white- the awarness, tied with that of the undiminished Primordial, becomes something...more. Something vast. You hold onto your sense of self, of mortality, to make sense of it.
(Wits+Integrity, 16 dice, 10 successes)
You manage to. It manages to not overwhelm you. But before you- at least, as interpreted by your senses, is something. Some nascent. Vast shapes in the ether of the deep Chaos. At first glance, they remind you of Unshaped you've come across when traveling the Wyld. Except they're not as chaotic. Or maybe more chaotic?
"Those-"
Wait. Why would Gaia be interested in Raksha?
…
oh.
"Those aren't Raksha." You can see...differences. Maybe similarities. Lesser than what you would expect, but maybe that's because they're still nascent. Still developing. Are those- Can they be? This far out in the Faraway? Maybe out past the faraway?
(Int+Occult, 16 dice, +6 autosuccesses, 15 successes)
You have no way to know for sure. You have so little to compare it to. But there are so few other things that would attract Gaia's attention like this.
"Are those Primordials?"
"Someday, perhaps." She takes a smaller form, easier for you to comprehend. A woman with red hair and a young face. Remarkably similar to your mother. "We are unique. But just because we are unique does not mean that we cannot be the only ones in the infinite possibilities of the Wyld. These are not a Primordial Host. But at the same time, I cannot say they are not one."
You nod. "Dreamers, then."
Gaia cocks an eyebrow. "Then it's really important that you help us," you state.
The nascent primordials disappear. You are back- before the titanic face. And why is that?
"Because the enemy that seeks to awaken Kukla and destroy Creation is the subsoul of the Engine of Extinction. One from another universe, who's traveled through the Well of Udr to consume Creation, and then Autochthon."
The eyes of the titan narrow. But not to gaze upon you with disapproval. Rather, to gaze at the encounter suit.
And so once more we are all threatened.
Sorcerer?
Autochthon's voice. Private, between the two of you. Yes? You send back.
May I have permission to...what is the word...be let off the leash, as it were?
You blink. Did he just ask to do something stupid? That's new. Well, you need more information. Before I say yes or no, why?
Because Gaia is, once again, being an immense hypocrite and the heroic resolve you've managed to impart on my via your magicks is compelling me to finally, after countless millenium, call her out on it.
[ ]Do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
[ ]Let me do eeeeeeeeeeeeet.
[ ]Write in.
- Location
- Earth: Universe Meta - 1
[X]Do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
[X] Do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.