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[Dungeoncore SI] Purple glows in Dark Places

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Charlezany said:
See the issue is that you can mass produce attack helicopters and (as we can see with Gyrocopters) shit is actually really bad at knocking them out of the sky. You are also vastly underestimating their payload. An attack helicopter can do vastly more damage than a dragon and doesn't require 1000 years of raising it for the device to function.
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How would the gremlins even mass produce an attack helicopter, just because we can barley do it does not mean that the gremlins can. And Gyrocopters are very rare and valuable, they are not in anyway mass produced.

Also what payload would it use eh, if a lightning cannon gets put on it, the moment it fires it will crash. And where would he get this amazing payload, is he gonna just spawn in some hellfire missiles, please elaborate what payload he will use?

And dragon is the least of an attack helicopters problems when it comes to flying beasts.

Now for the ease as to which it would take to knock a helicopter out of the sky. Sudden change of wind in the opposite direction your going crashes combat helicopters even today. As does sudden turbulence or frosty weather and that not even bringing in the mages yet . And any mage could take out gyrocopter or a modern day attack helicopter. Mages control reality in Warhammer, there is no "overrating" them, especially when a Heavens mage is going against a helicopter.

And I will now direct you to the absurdity that is warhammer flying units "Birdmen of Catrazza" "Lothern Skycutter" "Fozzrik's Flying Fortress" "Tzeentch Great Winged Terrors" there is even more.


Charlezany said:
Your anime references look nothing like mages from Warhammer or Spiral Knights.
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the words I uses were "Kinda like Tanya von Degurechaff from the cartoon" keyword there is >"KINDA LIKE"< not bring in, insert, Should or use this. I was insinuating something like it, not copy pasting it. It is meant to facilitate ideas not for the op to just shoehorn it in

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Besides, the local wizards have a nasty tendency to explode if they overdo the magic.
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Not often enough for it to be a deciding factor and it's not always explode most of the times it's just getting hurt.
 
yeah, as fun as helicopters are, Gremlin aircraft are going to be more along the lines of 1930s-era propfighters. they'll be absolute hell on most opfor air units (because machineguns) but the main way for them to stay alive is going to be not getting hit.
Equally, however, most flying units are essentially cavalry- and the thing about cavalry is, anything an animal mount can do, a machine can do better, longer, and faster, for less money and less replacement time.
essentially, Gremlin planes will be, unit-for-unit, inferior to, say, dragon or griffon Calvary, which take years or centuries to train; so those units are rare as all hell, whereas, once they really get rolling, the SI's Gremlines (being a fully industrialized civilization) could easily churn out 30,000+ fighters a year. that's the big difference- even the Dwarves, for all the advanced technology they have, aren't an industrial civilization. their tech is all the work of hand-crafting by master-engineers; 'Mass production' as we, the modern-era readers would understand, isn't really a thing, not for anyone. (though I will admit the Empire is definitely giving it the old collage try)​
Gremlins, though? well, I direct you to the Ironclaw Munitions Factory. They are very familiar with the concept.
plus, summoning lets them be ceating cheaters who cheat in that they don't actually need to capture iron mines or oil fields or whatever, and then actually pull resources out of the ground and refine them, they can just summon the end product directly, ready for assembly or use. no need to smelt steel and cast parts and all that, they just skip right to the 'assembling the plane' part. yes, that means they can expand their industry effectively arbitrarily, limited only by room for mana generators and unit assembly and Gremlinpower to assemble the things. yes, this is complete and utter bullshit.
 
All these advantages, and it's still completely necessary to do so because you landed in one of the world's that embodies the idea of yeah, there are heroes, but they aren't here so here's a lot of horrible things.
 
zealous specter said:
How would the gremlins even mass produce an attack helicopter, just because we can barley do it does not mean that the gremlins can. And Gyrocopters are very rare and valuable, they are not in anyway mass produced.

Also what payload would it use eh, if a lightning cannon gets put on it, the moment it fires it will crash. And where would he get this amazing payload, is he gonna just spawn in some hellfire missiles, please elaborate what payload he will use?

And dragon is the least of an attack helicopters problems when it comes to flying beasts.

Now for the ease as to which it would take to knock a helicopter out of the sky. Sudden change of wind in the opposite direction your going crashes combat helicopters even today. As does sudden turbulence or frosty weather and that not even bringing in the mages yet . And any mage could take out gyrocopter or a modern day attack helicopter.
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Literally all he has to do to make them vastly more effective is slap two mana based machine guns on the front and give them a box full of bombs, which will immediately be more than a gyro copter has. Hell you could run Vietnam troop transport helicopters and be vastly better than those fuckers. Dragons only advantage is in melee, and they have to avoid being chopped up by helicopter blades to even think about killing one.

A dragon is a helicopter with a flamethrower strapped to the front.

How common do you think mages are anyway? Their tendency to have their headshoulders explode when they cast not withstanding the actual spells they can use might kill helicopters (when they can successfully cast them.) But all those absurd flying units are just as vulnerable to them, and every single one carries far less effective firepower than a single machine gun puts out.

Also, as the author noted, Gremlins may be able to produce tens of thousands of fighters a year eventually. It's the dwarves own stubborness that prevents them from doing the same already.

Edit: Also good odds that you can kill the mage before he even gets to cast on a good day with snipers and aircraft. Even if they can use movie forcefield it's not going to be enough against concentrated firepower.
 
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Charlezany said:
Literally all he has to do to make them vastly more effective is slap two mana based machine guns on the front and give them a box full of bombs, which will immediately be more than a gyro copter has. Hell you could run Vietnam troop transport helicopters and be vastly better than those fuckers. Dragons only advantage is in melee, and they have to avoid being chopped up by helicopter blades to even think about killing one.

A dragon is a helicopter with a flamethrower strapped to the front.

How common do you think mages are anyway? Their tendency to have their headshoulders explode when they cast not withstanding the actual spells they can use might kill helicopters (when they can successfully cast them.) But all those absurd flying units are just as vulnerable to them, and every single one carries far less effective firepower than a single machine gun puts out.

Also, as the author noted, Gremlins may be able to produce tens of thousands of fighters a year eventually. It's the dwarves own stubborness that prevents them from doing the same already.

Edit: Also good odds that you can kill the mage before he even gets to cast on a good day with snipers and aircraft. Even if they can use movie forcefield it's not going to be enough against concentrated firepower.
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While this is now a pointless conversation due to the fact it wont be used regardless I shall humor you.

Any helicopter used would also use mana as a fuel source and Bombs suck on helicopters(very very inaccurate) compared to something like a plane.
And a Vietnam troop transport helicopters isn't a bloody gunship like a attack helicopter is they fill vastly different roles and a role that is actually viable.
A troop transport as a helicopter is a good idea since it will stay out of engagement as much as possible.

Now your obsession in this argument for dragons mind you not all of them breath flames some even breath bloody warpfire,ice,plagues? or lighting I think literal death as well.
And you seem to think it's even possible for a machine-gun to even puncture a Dragons hide is amusing.
oh and mana bolts(the thing your favorite machine gun uses) suck at armor penetration according to the author, And i doubt anything besides a 50.cal would do it and even then not sure on it.

Plus they have a whole city devoted to a bunch of different magic colleges and that's only the imperials Altdorf, not even taking into account all the other factions there are alot of mages out there.
And you only need 1 mage to ROFL stomp any air-power you have, just 1 would have the power enough to call down meteors,thunderstorms,blizzards or magnetic twisters across a battlefield.
Or just increase the wind in the area to unsafe hurricane levels, mages are the I win button most of the time.
Remember kiddos, machine guns are not meteors or nukes or some super powerful weapon unless used on a man sized target with fleshy bits.
And mages can fly and they can stop everything in a area being able to fly as well, if that happens to a dragon it crashes and gets back up, your lovely Attack helicopter it ain't getting up.

Mages are the Warhammers equivalent to W.M.D's besides all the other WMD's like things out there.
Warhammer is a very scary universes and it is not something that can be compared to with our worlds measurements and stats.
When there is such a thing as a chaos god and said chaos god can nope your advantage.
As easily as it would take for them steal candy from an infant only to kill said infant and then resurrect that infant, take it's new candy, then kill it again, only to resurrect it 4 days prior and then raise it till it's on his/hers death bed only to kill him as an infant again whilst stealing another candy.

Do you know how hard it is to see a single person from a helicopter, especially when there are already thousands of other beings around him/her. hell They don't even need to be visible they could just hide in some woods.
And it is rare for a spell to backfire that badly and there are tools that can mitigate it to a non issue.

And ya it's definitely the "dwarves own stubborness that prevents them from doing the same already." it's definitely not that they lack the infrastructure of an industrious civilization or even the ability or knowledge to even do so.

Mechanis said:
could easily churn out 30,000+ fighters a year.
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whelp your officially better than WW1 america(and WW1 earth in general) and it's promise to fill the sky with 40,000 planes in a year, less than 20 aircraft were made:rofl:.
In contrast, the six great powers in the war (France, Great Britain, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy and Russia) could deploy a total of more than 750 serviceable machines.
"A typical two-seater near the end of World War I, having more than 50,000 parts, required 4,000 hours of labor to assemble" and there is about 8760 hours in a year(on earth) that's about 2.5 planes a year for one Assembly team.
that's not even taking into account how long it would take to make the parts them selves, luckily the author can cheat them in.

You are at World War 2 levels of production according to this anyway Congratulations!!!!
And getting a viable AA emplacement mobile/static before any aircraft would be a smart idea

P.S. And Something along the lines of the "The Birdmen of Catrazza" would make great scouts and artillery spotters.

P.P.S it took me to bloody long to write this out, so much information had to be looked up for this crappy comment.
 
zealous specter said:
While this is now a pointless conversation due to the fact it wont be used regardless I shall humor you.

Any helicopter used would also use mana as a fuel source and Bombs suck on helicopters(very very inaccurate) compared to something like a plane.
And a Vietnam troop transport helicopters isn't a bloody gunship like a attack helicopter is they fill vastly different roles and a role that is actually viable.
A troop transport as a helicopter is a good idea since it will stay out of engagement as much as possible.

Now your obsession in this argument for dragons mind you not all of them breath flames some even breath bloody warpfire,ice,plagues? or lighting I think literal death as well.
And you seem to think it's even possible for a machine-gun to even puncture a Dragons hide is amusing.
oh and mana bolts(the thing your favorite machine gun uses) suck at armor penetration according to the author, And i doubt anything besides a 50.cal would do it and even then not sure on it.

Plus they have a whole city devoted to a bunch of different magic colleges and that's only the imperials Altdorf, not even taking into account all the other factions there are alot of mages out there.
And you only need 1 mage to ROFL stomp any air-power you have, just 1 would have the power enough to call down meteors,thunderstorms,blizzards or magnetic twisters across a battlefield.
Or just increase the wind in the area to unsafe hurricane levels, mages are the I win button most of the time.
Remember kiddos, machine guns are not meteors or nukes or some super powerful weapon unless used on a man sized target with fleshy bits.
And mages can fly and they can stop everything in a area being able to fly as well, if that happens to a dragon it crashes and gets back up, your lovely Attack helicopter it ain't getting up.

Mages are the Warhammers equivalent to W.M.D's besides all the other WMD's like things out there.
Warhammer is a very scary universes and it is not something that can be compared to with our worlds measurements and stats.
When there is such a thing as a chaos god and said chaos god can nope your advantage.
As easily as it would take for them steal candy from an infant only to kill said infant and then resurrect that infant, take it's new candy, then kill it again, only to resurrect it 4 days prior and then raise it till it's on his/hers death bed only to kill him as an infant again whilst stealing another candy.

Do you know how hard it is to see a single person from a helicopter, especially when there are already thousands of other beings around him/her. hell They don't even need to be visible they could just hide in some woods.
And it is rare for a spell to backfire that badly and there are tools that can mitigate it to a non issue.

And ya it's definitely the "dwarves own stubborness that prevents them from doing the same already." it's definitely not that they lack the infrastructure of an industrious civilization or even the ability or knowledge to even do so.

whelp your officially better than WW1 america(and WW1 earth in general) and it's promise to fill the sky with 40,000 planes in a year, less than 20 aircraft were made:rofl:.
In contrast, the six great powers in the war (France, Great Britain, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy and Russia) could deploy a total of more than 750 serviceable machines.
"A typical two-seater near the end of World War I, having more than 50,000 parts, required 4,000 hours of labor to assemble" and there is about 8760 hours in a year(on earth) that's about 2.5 planes a year for one Assembly team.
that's not even taking into account how long it would take to make the parts them selves, luckily the author can cheat them in.

You are at World War 2 levels of production according to this anyway Congratulations!!!!
And getting a viable AA emplacement mobile/static before any aircraft would be a smart idea

P.S. And Something along the lines of the "The Birdmen of Catrazza" would make great scouts and artillery spotters.

P.P.S it took me to bloody long to write this out, so much information had to be looked up for this crappy comment.
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There is so much wrong here I don't even know where to start. Your grasp on the effectiveness of magic in Warhammer is pretty shit, to begin with, but your grasp on modern warfare is somehow even worse. The fact that you think a 50 caliber machinegun is an even remotely high strength is just icing on the cake.

Your historical knowledge is also shit, on world war 1 the Dayton Wright company alone produced over 3000 DH-4's. The issue was transporting aircraft across the Atlantic, which resulted in most American Pilots using foreign-made planes. Your numbers for the other great powers are also quite obviously wrong, but that's the result of your own historical lack of research.

This is all just ignoring your own lack of knowledge about magic, and how weak the typical mage is. A very limited number at any time will ever be able to call down tiny thunderstorms (A radius of what like 60 feet?) Even if you go by the more generous RPG book standards only celestial wizards can even do what you say they should be able to, and if they actually had enough mages in general to do what you claim the end times would have been a fucking joke.

Basically, read your lore and read your history, because you are apparently extrapolating numbers out from anecdotal evidence you probably got from seeing your freind play a video game.
 
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what charl said.
that '30,000 planes a year' figure wasn't just pulled out of my ass, that's roughly the average of the United Kingdom of Britain's highest production levels during WWII, which (thaks to Summon Cheating Bullshit) is about average for Gremlin assembly tech*.
Wizards that can, as you said, 'roflstomp' air units are even more rare than the native air units, and doing so frequently will straight-up kill them, either from a flubbed Perils of the Warp roll or just plain fatigue- or, more likely, a flubbed PotW roll because their fatigue made them careless.
Warhammer isn't a D&D setting, the native magic is extremely hazardous, not only to a caster's enemies, but to the caster themselves. for every Max Shreiber or Lhoigor Goldenrod there's a dozen mages who can barely manage a few fireballs and a hundred that can't do much more than accurately predict what face a coin will land on most of the time.

and while .50s are impressive from an infantry standpoint, most serious ground-attack planes will (at this tech level, anyway) using bombs, or 20mm cannons, or similarly large caliber weapons, with a smaller .30 secondary.
and once the SI does get to actual WWII level planes, expect to see clones of My Favorite Cool Plane and Best Prop Bomber Ever.
*Assuming roughly equivalent manpower in assembly stage
 
all the info I got came form the warhammer wiki
Charlezany said:
The fact that you think a 50 caliber machinegun is an even remotely high strength is just icing on the cake
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Yes yes child I'm quite aware of 20mm and 30mm(that the A10 uses) rounds, anything 50cal and up would be sufficient.

Charlezany said:
Your historical knowledge is also shit, on world war 1 the Dayton Wright company alone produced over 3000 DH-4's. The issue was transporting aircraft across the Atlantic, which resulted in most American Pilots using foreign-made planes. Your numbers for the other great powers are also quite obviously wrong, but that's the result of your own historical lack of research.
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"On the eve of what was to become known then as "The Great War," the Army and Navy could field less than 20 aircraft. In contrast, the six great powers in the war (France, Great Britain, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy and Russia) could deploy a total of more than 750 serviceable machines." is the full quote
(the problem with not checking after your done typing)

And yes the DH-4 did infact do that withing 2 years I'm astonished that you were able to get that Congratulations

And dont swear It's quite borish

plus you only need a novice mage with a wind spell to kill a helicopter


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Mechanis said:
that '30,000 planes a year' figure wasn't just pulled out of my ass, that's roughly the average of the United Kingdom of Britain's highest production levels during WWII,
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I agreed with you
zealous specter said:
You are at World War 2 levels of production according to this anyway Congratulations!!!!
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Mechanis said:
what charl said.
that '30,000 planes a year' figure wasn't just pulled out of my ass, that's roughly the average of the United Kingdom of Britain's highest production levels during WWII, which (thaks to Summon Cheating Bullshit) is about average for Gremlin assembly tech*.
Wizards that can, as you said, 'roflstomp' air units are even more rare than the native air units, and doing so frequently will straight-up kill them, either from a flubbed Perils of the Warp roll or just plain fatigue- or, more likely, a flubbed PotW roll because their fatigue made them careless.
Warhammer isn't a D&D setting, the native magic is extremely hazardous, not only to a caster's enemies, but to the caster themselves. for every Max Shreiber or Lhoigor Goldenrod there's a dozen mages who can barely manage a few fireballs and a hundred that can't do much more than accurately predict what face a coin will land on most of the time.

and while .50s are impressive from an infantry standpoint, most serious ground-attack planes will (at this tech level, anyway) using bombs, or 20mm cannons, or similarly large caliber weapons, with a smaller .30 secondary.
and once the SI does get to actual WWII level planes, expect to see clones of My Favorite Cool Plane and Best Prop Bomber Ever.
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Technically speaking the B17 is a 1930's plane, as it was first produced in 1937, but the US government didn't give Boeing the contract at the time. Boeing kept the factory running out of pocket, however, because they could see where events in Europe were going by then.
Edit: actually double checking, the first flight prototype was in 1935, it's just the first militarily designated "B-17" bombers were in 1937.
 
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well, yes, but the SI would want to just start out with the more technologically sophisticated G series what with its thirteen goddamn machineguns and general improvements.

mainly, much like myself, the SI would want to use it because holy fuck those things were goddamn indestructible. All American's (in)famous 'landing without the rear third of the plane' is just the tip of the iceburg- a few of my favorites are the one whose wings fell off about three seconds after coming to a halt upon its return to base, the one that flew across about half of Germany (at rooftop height, having to dodge church spires, no less!) and eventually landed in the freaking UK on One fucking engine, and the one that landed perfectly fine despite being more bullethole than aircraft.

B17s be ridiculous, yo.
 
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Mechanis said:
well, yes, but the SI would want to just start out with the more technologically sophisticated G series what with its thirteen goddamn machineguns and general improvements.

mainly, much like myself, the SI would want to use it because holy fuck those things were goddamn indestructible. All American's (in)famous 'landing without the rear third of the plane' is just the tip of the iceburg- a few of my favorites are the one whose wings fell off about three seconds after coming to a halt upon its return to base, the one that flew across about half of Germany (at rooftop height, having to dodge church spires, no less!) and eventually landed in the freaking UK on One fucking engine, and the one that landed perfectly fine despite being more bullethole than aircraft.

B17s be ridiculous, yo.
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"It could be worse. At least I'm not on the front lines." - B-17 crew chiefs on being asked to put that sort of Swiss cheese back in the air.
 
Mechanis said:
well, yes, but the SI would want to just start out with the more technologically sophisticated G series what with its thirteen goddamn machineguns and general improvements.

mainly, much like myself, the SI would want to use it because holy fuck those things were goddamn indestructible. All American's (in)famous 'landing without the rear third of the plane' is just the tip of the iceburg- a few of my favorites are the one whose wings fell off about three seconds after coming to a halt upon its return to base, the one that flew across about half of Germany (at rooftop height, having to dodge church spires, no less!) and eventually landed in the freaking UK on One fucking engine, and the one that landed perfectly fine despite being more bullethole than aircraft.

B17s be ridiculous, yo.
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Is that even necessary though? What's the point of making a near indestructible plane when there's very little that can threaten it, and what little can threaten it will destroy it regardless. You should probably go for firepower, range, or service life over survivability.
 
Mechanis said:
and once the SI does get to actual WWII level planes, expect to see clones of My Favorite Cool Plane
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Not the Warthog? :(

  • The A-10 Thunderbolt II , aka the Warthog, is ugly as hell (it is said that the A-10 doesn't achieve lift, it simply stares down gravity until it runs away screaming and begging not to be hurt) and just barely capable of exceeding the speed of smell if you put it into a steep divenote ​ The rest of the Air Force derides the A-10 as "the only jet in history that takes bird strikes to the tail" and claims that its airspeed indicator is a calendar. Hog drivers simply point to a record of combat effectiveness that "cooler" planes can't even dream of, but it can fly in a damaged state that would make other planes just fall and go boom, several times over. The aircraft could be smashed to hell and the pilot could be missing all four of his appendages (maybe even his head) and still complete the mission, making it back to base in time for happy hour at the O' Club. Of course, probably the biggest reason why this plane fits under this trope is the depleted-uranium GAU-8 30mm Avenger rotary cannon which the plane is built aroundnote ​Seriously, tests aimed at adapting the A-10 for civilian work have found that it becomes aerodynamically unsound when the gun is removed. It literally CANNOT FLY without that ginormous gun in the nose. They tried putting a giant lead block of similar weight in its place: no dice. When people describe the A-10 as a big gun with a plane strapped to it, they are absolutely correct which can literally slice a tank in half and which by itself is bigger than anything short of an SUV. You've heard of the Implacable Man? This is the Implacable Plane. The exact amount of parts it can lose and still fly (according to The Other Wiki) include one engine, one tail, most of its fuel supply, and a wing.Basically, half the plane can drop off and you're still good. Hell, forget guns; the Hog has been known to take missile hits and keep going undeterred.

    In fact, it's so durable that it has so far survived two attempts at retirement by idiotic USAF generals who thought that the plane was too ugly, too low-tech, and generally too useless to serve in their Air Force. Both Gulf Wars proved just how wrong they were, and the Hog is getting an well-deserved avionics upgrade (the A-10 pilots fly using avionics not much better than what their grandfathers used when flying the P-47 Thunderbolt) and new wings which will keep it flying well into the 2040s, just like that other Badass Grandpathe B-52. Now that's durable. Note that every time the Air Force has pushed the idea of retiring the Warthog, Army generals have said "we'll be happy to take them"note ​ While the Marines quickly add "Only if we don't get them first!" Which provides more incentive for the Air Force to back down from the idea, since the idea of the Army expanding its fixed-wing aviation capability is seen as an encroachment on Air Force territory. The Warthog may even be able to survive past 2040, there has been talk about convert the surviving A-10s (which will probably be most of them) into UAVs for ground attack missions. No aircraft in history Served for this long, and will still be used after that. This thing can endure missiles, guns, retirement attempts, and time.

    The A-10 performed outstandingly in Gulf War I (for instance, near the end of the air-only phase, the first two sent out destroyed more Iraqi tanks than all the B-52 alpha strikes in the previous month) despite not being all that well suited for the conditions. The (relatively) clear air were good for it, but the engines had no defense (other than their spectacular robustness) to things like the sand that inevitably drifted onto the runways. Of course, to an engine that works just fine after eating half the plane's wing, what's a little sand?

    The skill and cleverness of the Warthog pilots has done much to overcome the limitations of the avionics. For instance, they had no IR sensors in Gulf War I, which should have made them useless at night or in smoke or cloud. The pilots realized that they got a repeater image from the heat-seeker on the Maverick missile on a tiny screen in the cockpit, and used that as an IR imaging system. Turns out you don't actually have to firethe missile for its IR sensor to relay images back to the plane. It had a miniscule field of view, but it was enough to get the job done. Perhaps the most notable example of both the Warthog's insane ruggedness and pilot skill is Captain Kim Campbell, USAF, who flew home a heavily flak-damaged A-10 with nothing but the full-manual controls, pulling off the world's first successful A-10 fully-manual landing in the process.
Courtesy of TV tropes Cool Plane/Real Life page.

Or:

The Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II takes the opposite approach of the F-117A, being the Mighty Glacier of aircraft. She's slow and God bless her, she's uglier than an episode of Real Housewives, but boy does she get the job done. More widely known as "Warthog" or "Hog", the A-10 is designed to kill tanks, armored vehicles—and everyone in them. It can carry up to eight tons of bombs or missiles, but its primary weapon is the GAU-8 Avenger Gatling gun. A seven-barreled, 30mm cannon with UNIMAGINABLE amounts of dakkanote ​Tech Specs: it fires up to seventy rounds per second, each bullet weighing close to a pound (Image of it next to a 20oz Coke bottle and a .50 BMG round ◊), at 3,250 feet per second muzzle velocity. The recoil from the gun is more powerful than one of the plane's 2 engines at full throttle.; you do not want to be on the receiving end of it. If you are, your coffin will probably be about the size of a snuff tin. Note that the A-10 was literally designed around the GAU-8, which is roughly the size of a small sports car.

The A-10 is known for being at least as durable as its namesake—it's the closest thing to a flying tank the Air Force has. The A-10 is packed with redundant safety systems; in terms of durability, she well lives up to her namesake, the aforementioned Republic P-47 Thunderbolt. It can fly with one engine, has a mechanical control system in case the hydraulics fail, self-sealing fuel tanks, and the landing gear can be deployed through just a combination of gravity and air resistance. The cockpit itself is literally sheathed in a bathtub of pure titanium, meaning that if the plane is trashed, the pilot most likely won't be. Oh, and there are documented incidents of A-10's flying home using all of these failsafes.
  • There was an exceptional case a few years ago, where an A-10 was struck by a SAM in the left wing. Most of the wing was completely blown out, and the wreckage went straight into the engine, which then just spat it back out the exhaust and kept on going, allowing the plane to return to base safely. Now that is an insanely reliable plane.
From UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks
 
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ltmauve said:
I'm not sure he has the knowledge of how to make some of the materials (titanium-based, composites, electronics) or how to make a turbojet engine.
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Shame :(.

Was more of a reaction to having a different favorite cool plane then saying that he should build them though.

Couldnt resist sharing mine :).
 
Mechanis said:
plus, summoning lets them be ceating cheaters who cheat in that they don't actually need to capture iron mines or oil fields or whatever, and then actually pull resources out of the ground and refine them, they can just summon the end product directly, ready for assembly or use. no need to smelt steel and cast parts and all that, they just skip right to the 'assembling the plane' part. yes, that means they can expand their industry effectively arbitrarily, limited only by room for mana generators and unit assembly and Gremlinpower to assemble the things. yes, this is complete and utter bullshit.
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Actually, wouldn't summoning the raw materials be more mana efficient?

Then again, not only is their industry effectively arbitrarily sized, their population is also, as they can be summoned up at will for mana. It's not an option right now because the SI is confined by time and thus by space, but with some extra time it might be worth it setting up massive foundries to do all the prefabrication of refined metals and parts for you while conjuring up vast quantities of coal and iron.

zealous specter said:
Any helicopter used would also use mana as a fuel source and Bombs suck on helicopters(very very inaccurate) compared to something like a plane.
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Actually, helicopters would be more accurate than aircraft. Helicopters can hover, so they don't have to account for their own forward motion.

zealous specter said:
and there is about 8760 hours in a year(on earth) that's about 2.5 planes a year for one Assembly team.
that's not even taking into account how long it would take to make the parts them selves, luckily the author can cheat them in.
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Actually no, that's 2.5 planes per year per assembler. 4000 hours of labour would account all workers dividing the labour.

Mechanis said:
well, yes, but the SI would want to just start out with the more technologically sophisticated G series what with its thirteen goddamn machineguns and general improvements.
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Self escorting bombers don't exist. When facing any opposition against anything that's even vaguely agile in the air bombers will not face advantageous odds. The guns on WW2 era bombers are there to spoil the aim of any enemy fighters and force them into predictable paths. The actual killing happens outside the bomber formation with the escort fighters pouncing on anyone stupid enough to get an angle on the bombers.

Mechanis said:
B17s be ridiculous, yo.
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That's because the B17 is massively overbuilt, to the point that the wing ribs did a pretty good job of maintaining lift even if all the skin is stripped from the aircraft. It's also kind of a bad choice for the SI, given the SI is stuck in the tunnels right now, and afterwards doesn't need a specialist medium/heavy bomber. There's nobody that can effectively oppose you anyway, you'd be better off with massed formations of single and dual engined bombers carrying high explosive and incendiary mixes to burn down the predominantly wooden buildings in anything you want to hit. Do some proper plumbing and you can trade bomb load capacity for range by hauling some external fuel tanks around.
 
You bastard, I found this from your Taurian fic and it got me to restart playing spiral knights just to mess around with the gremlin levels again.

Also you need these guys in your backline.
 
jacib said:
I'm going to be honest , I did not read the date when he last posted
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Ok, yeah, fair, been there done that. Its considered better form to PM an author if you want to know if a story will updated though, rather than make a post about it. It can come off a little harass-y. Just as a note for future reference.
 
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