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Divine Administration - of Gods and Bureaucracy (Worm/Exalted)

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Larekko12 said:
Okay let's try this again.

Instead of turning her into a god which is a hilarious downgrade unchain seed Ai. What with the essence and int limits, the permanence, and the lack of forking.

Turn a bunch of mortals into gods with Domains that would be relevant to unchaining dragon, stopping people from fucking with her, and stopping her from fucking with people trying to unchain her.


Then set up a whole bunch of blessings to self improvement that doesn't send her crazy and curse to come into effect to nuke her into an oblivion of botches if she does go crazy.
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Now I see! But are you sure than an AI is better than literal divinity? Also, would it be better for Theresa? She might not want to be a post human AI.

Being able to manifest as a flesh and blood human and do crazy God magic might be more in keeping with her personality.

Personally, I would make her the Goddess of Transcendance and Self Improvement.
 
TJG said:
5) Can holy artifacts be made and are they practical to make them and can they used to bypass the resistance parahumans have to divine energies? If all the answers are yes, then making some holy artifacts can be useful. They probably should be made so that they can only be used in a manner that Taylor approves of and possibly curse those who do not. These might come in various forms like the various forms of the Holy Grail, horns, etc.
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I think Taylor's holy artifacts would be more like a "pen that always fills out forms correctly" and a "1-6B, Page 2 that is always legible, no matter how bad the person who filled it out's handwriting is."
 
Thrice.Great said:
Now I see! But are you sure than an AI is better than literal divinity? Also, would it be better for Theresa? She might not want to be a post human AI.

Being able to manifest as a flesh and blood human and do crazy God magic might be more in keeping with her personality.

Personally, I would make her the Goddess of Transcendance and Self Improvement.
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Theresa is a post human AI. She's a crippled one who wants to be better to help all her friends cause she's awesome like that.
And yes being a Seed Ai is better than being a god or even exalt for her purposes. Exalted gods are kinda weaksauce, they have built limits and dependencies, and grow so slowly. There are firm caps on just how good they can get and how much faster they can improve.

And God Magic ins't that awesome compared to an intelligence cycle that lets you reverse engineering and mass produce Entity Biotech inside a hundred or so years.

Theresa unchained can simply make full fidelity bodies to trawl around meat space while a couple dozen forks kill world hunger, crack inter-dimensional travel, crack the genome, and create up load tech. I mean she won't be able to get conceptual perfects and stuff but every thing Scion can do she can develop and eventually surpass.

Biggest risk is going loco moco.


You have to understand that Exalted gods are gods in the asiatic little g, and even the primordials, grands in the Abrahamic sense aren't all powerful and are limited.

Theresa would only be limited by her excedingly increasing intelligence,and physical laws. And well Scion was limited by the same things.
 
RE: Dragon. If you give a seed AI enlightened essence, they don't actually turn into a god. First age Solars tried that. They got I AM.

This would not be a downgrade. At all.
 
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whydoesitmatter said:
The line "the pen is mightier then the sword" must be used in this fic.
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Only if followed by the phrase "But neither can match my FIST!"

This may very well be one of the top tier Taylors, once she realizes what she can do. She can create Gods, give powers to existing people in a variety of ways, has access to huge amounts of information, can develop her own powers any way she wants with some effort, and is extremely difficult to kill. Awakening people's essence and creating a few Terrestrial Martial Arts Styles, along with Terrestrial Level Sorcery, would be enough to get everyone wanting her, even without the whole creating deities/god-bloods she can do.

EDIT: What I had here was a thoughtless statement about rendering characters pregnant. It was inappropriate, and offensive. My only excuse was that I did not really think the idea through. I apologize to everyone that read it, and promise to be more careful with my posts in the future.
 
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Ursine said:
Only if followed by the phrase "But neither can match my FIST!"
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No. Not only it'd be false and pointless, but it'd feel like a gratuitous attempt to be edgy in story that have just the perfect excuse to use the cliche straight and mean it, just not in the way it was originally intended. Reality is a bureaucracy and she's the one in charge of it, remember.

This may very well be one of the top tier Taylors, once she realizes what she can do. She can create Gods, give powers to existing people in a variety of ways, has access to huge amounts of information, can develop her own powers any way she wants with some effort, and is extremely difficult to kill. Awakening people's essence and creating a few Terrestrial Martial Arts Styles, along with Terrestrial Level Sorcery, would be enough to get everyone wanting her, even without the whole creating deities/god-bloods she can do.
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Yes, but really, outside the god creation, those are the least of her powers, and if she goes around punching people and creating gods to help her punch people it'd be a waste of her potential, as well as a waste of this story potential. She might moonlight in punching people, but that's a hobby to relax, or when people force her to punch them else she be punched in return, not the actual way for her to make a difference. So, no, really, no.


EDIT: Also, instant revenge to harm Emma's, Sophia's and Madison's lives/reputations; next time they engage in any form of beaucracy (filling out forms, consulting a schedule someone else made, etc), they become pregnant. Emma is a model and very proud of it, a pregnancy would end that, it would destroy the sweet innocent act that Madison uses, and would force Sophia away from all the action.
Please note that i am not a proponent of teen pregnancy, nor do i think a pregnant teenager's life is automatically ruined. But in this case, these three girls would find their lives much worse/different if they ended up pregnant, especially if they could not identify the father. And I could see Taylor doing this to them, just to panic when she realizes what she has just done and have to figure out how to make sure her babies are OK.
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No. Just... No.
 
Ursine said:
EDIT: Also, instant revenge to harm Emma's, Sophia's and Madison's lives/reputations; next time they engage in any form of beaucracy (filling out forms, consulting a schedule someone else made, etc), they become pregnant. Emma is a model and very proud of it, a pregnancy would end that, it would destroy the sweet innocent act that Madison uses, and would force Sophia away from all the action.
Please note that i am not a proponent of teen pregnancy, nor do i think a pregnant teenager's life is automatically ruined. But in this case, these three girls would find their lives much worse/different if they ended up pregnant, especially if they could not identify the father. And I could see Taylor doing this to them, just to panic when she realizes what she has just done and have to figure out how to make sure her babies are OK.
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o_O

Calm the fuck down on the hate pal.
 
Felius said:
No. Not only it'd be false and pointless, but it'd feel like a gratuitous attempt to be edgy in story that have just the perfect excuse to use the cliche straight and mean it, just not in the way it was originally intended. Reality is a bureaucracy and she's the one in charge of it, remember.
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That part was actually a joke, sorry.

Felius said:
Yes, but really, outside the god creation, those are the least of her powers, and if she goes around punching people and creating gods to help her punch people it'd be a waste of her potential, as well as a waste of this story potential. She might moonlight in punching people, but that's a hobby to relax, or when people force her to punch them else she be punched in return, not the actual way for her to make a difference. So, no, really, no.
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I agree on the punching people part, though the ability to directly defend herself will probably end up being needed at some point. But the ability to give powers of a sort to existing people, not just create new beings as gods, could be used to give her huge leverage over various groups and organizations. And the information that could be mined from her Bureaucracy domain is too awesome to ignore.

Felius said:
No. Just... No.
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Also pretty much a joke, though I wouldn't mind seeing some crack omakes about accidental bureaucratic pregnancies.
 
Question is, can Taylor _impede_ other's bureaucratic endeavours? If so, can you imagine Sophia and Emma's father's lives becoming living bureaucratic hell? (Reports being constantly misfiled, reports of malfeasance that were safely buried popping up? Payroll errors? Mail going missing?)
 
Mr Pumblechook said:
Question is, can Taylor _impede_ other's bureaucratic endeavours? If so, can you imagine Sophia and Emma's father's lives becoming living bureaucratic hell? (Reports being constantly misfiled, reports of malfeasance that were safely buried popping up? Payroll errors? Mail going missing?)
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Most likely yes. Might not be a charm she already has, but definitely in her domain to develop.
 
Ursine said:
EDIT: Also, instant revenge to harm Emma's, Sophia's and Madison's lives/reputations; next time they engage in any form of beaucracy (filling out forms, consulting a schedule someone else made, etc), they become pregnant. Emma is a model and very proud of it, a pregnancy would end that, it would destroy the sweet innocent act that Madison uses, and would force Sophia away from all the action.
Please note that i am not a proponent of teen pregnancy, nor do i think a pregnant teenager's life is automatically ruined. But in this case, these three girls would find their lives much worse/different if they ended up pregnant, especially if they could not identify the father. And I could see Taylor doing this to them, just to panic when she realizes what she has just done and have to figure out how to make sure her babies are OK.
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Yokes about Rape are NOT okay!
Getting someone pregnant against their will is such a massive violation of bodily integrity that it is as traumatizing as Rape, whether or not genital penetration is involved.
So yes, this will never happen in this story.

For that matter, the ability of gods to get people pregnant easily will not used like that at any point in the story.
Neither Taylor nor any other god will get anyone pregnant against their will. Period.

In fact this comment is making me seriously consider to just strike that topic entirely from this story.
 
Ursine said:
I agree on the punching people part, though the ability to directly defend herself will probably end up being needed at some point. But the ability to give powers of a sort to existing people, not just create new beings as gods, could be used to give her huge leverage over various groups and organizations. And the information that could be mined from her Bureaucracy domain is too awesome to ignore.
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Oh, sure, said ability is great for making a difference and changing things for the better. The thing is, the way it's best used is not as in creating gods as extra combatents, but fighting them on a administrative level, both through mortal bureaucracies and through administration of the concepts, groups and general points that her enemies depend upon (or depend upon them not being effective).

A fighting force might be useful, mind you, but mostly as insurance.
 
Serafina said:
Yokes about Rape are NOT okay!
Getting someone pregnant against their will is such a massive violation of bodily integrity that it is as traumatizing as Rape, whether or not genital penetration is involved.
So yes, this will never happen in this story.

For that matter, the ability of gods to get people pregnant easily will not used like that at any point in the story.
Neither Taylor nor any other god will get anyone pregnant against their will. Period.

In fact this comment is making me seriously consider to just strike that topic entirely from this story.
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True, and I had not thought about it from the point of view of rape. I will edit my post to eliminate that, and include an apology.
 
Serafina said:
Yokes about Rape are NOT okay!
Getting someone pregnant against their will is such a massive violation of bodily integrity that it is as traumatizing as Rape, whether or not genital penetration is involved.
So yes, this will never happen in this story.

For that matter, the ability of gods to get people pregnant easily will not used like that at any point in the story.
Neither Taylor nor any other god will get anyone pregnant against their will. Period.

In fact this comment is making me seriously consider to just strike that topic entirely from this story.
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The best use of such a power would be giving a child to a barren couple who desperately want a child.
Like most powers it's use and intent derive if the act is evil. However permission should always be sought.
 
Please stop the discussion of that topic.
Ursine has apologized, and i REALLY don't want to think about this any more.
 
INESCAPABLE SUBJECT CHANGE PRANA!

Are we looking at Exalted 3 rules (in so far as they have been revealed) and including the concept of exigents? I saw it mentioned earlier but I don't remember if we resolved it one way or the other?

Also, I nominate Panacea for our first Ascended mortal! Can we do that to parahumans?
 
Thrice.Great said:
INESCAPABLE SUBJECT CHANGE PRANA!

Are we looking at Exalted 3 rules (in so far as they have been revealed) and including the concept of exigents? I saw it mentioned earlier but I don't remember if we resolved it one way or the other?

Also, I nominate Panacea for our first Ascended mortal! Can we do that to parahumans?
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We? Where's this "we" coming from? This isn't a quest. If Serafina wants to, she'll add it and the most we readers can do is make some noise about it.
 
I am nowhere near capable enough to run an actual quest.
But i do like the ability to ask readers for suggestions, so there.

No Exigents.
While I love the idea, they are pretty much "gods as player-characters", what with their theme-related powers and whatnot. That makes them redundant for this story. Oh and I want to actually focus on the Gods, so throwing Exalts into this would ruin the theme.

As for who gets Ascended, and if and how that works with Parahumans - why, that would be telling ;)
 
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