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Oh, Lisa got E4, and is now an elemental. I like that mechanic, that mortals that raise their essence above three become a spirit.
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Not exactly, I think. 3E treats E4 and E5 as "Elder" Essence ratings. She may be E2, or thereabouts imo.
Frakir's brother
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But doesn't Sorcery, as a require E3 and Occult 5? It's within possibility, and if anyone could do it, she could.
From what I understand any sorcery requires prep time. The flame thing seems like a charm to me, and becoming an elemental is one possible effect of raising your essence too high.
Other possibilities include: godhood, becoming a first circle demon, and becoming a Raksha. Becoming a greater dead requires dying and becoming a ghost.
No, Snowfire is using 3E's sorcery paradigm. 3E mortal sorcerers don't need to have enlightened essence, and only need Occult 3. Instead, you have to undergo some form of sorcerous initiation and buy a 5-dot merit. That gets you:
- The ability to learn Terrestrial-circle spells, the first of which will be your control spell
- One control spell, which you will be better at casting. Having a control spell also tends to have odd (and often useful) side effects.
- The ability to take Shape Sorcery actions, which generate sorcerous motes. You don't spend normal motes on spells; instead you use one or more Shape Sorcery actions to collect sorcerous motes when you want to cast a spell.
- One shaping ritual, which gives you a faster way to generate sorcerous motes, a way to store some sorcerous motes for later, or something of the sort.
- The ability to buy special sorcerous merits related to your initiation.
In Lisa's case, the fire popping up is a side effect of her control spell. This is nothing unusual. Your control spell is much more a part of you than other spells you learn, and many spells cause similar side effects; for instance, sorcerers who take Death of Obsidian Butterflies find their fingernails transforming into razor-sharp obsidian shards when they're angry. These effects often are somewhat charmlike, albeit much weaker and often not fully controllable - just like what Lisa's experiencing. (The design goal behind this, I believe, is to make sorcerers noticeably odd unless they take steps to conceal themselves.)
It's also worth pointing out that 3E sorcery has more than just the one method of initiation. The five stations are perfectly legitimate (though, surprisingly, not in the core book), but you could also become a sorcerer by making a pact with a powerful elemental, or finding a sorcerous relic, or through monastic body-alchemy, or any number of other approaches. Different initiations offer different shaping rituals and different sorcerous merits.
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So, lessee, some things I need to answer.
First off.
You're absolutely right, this isn't Lisa. You're also correct in calling me on some of what you did, because I did go a bit off the rails. I've fixed some of it, and will probably do a bit more work on it this weekend. @Serafina and @No One nailed the reasons for the speech being so very not-Lisa, however. In that Lisa from canon just doesn't exist anymore. It's that simple, and that complicated.
The main point I was trying to show with the majority of this chapter is how much Lisa has been altered by the Stations, something that some people did mention having not seen and that I had already planned to rectify. Character growth like this is a Big DealTM, but the problem with the outright magical manner of it is that it can seem incredibly forced. Realtalk: that's what my reading of Sacrifice as a station does. Once you accept it, you will change. There isn't any going back, and there's no way to change what you gave away once you've done so.
Combine this with the fact that Lisa has an incredibly potent Thinker power for analysis that she had been running from applying to herself since she became a parahuman. Now she can't run from that, which means she starts working on herself. Taking into account the 'can't see woods for trees' issues with this approach to self-help, she's actually done rather well.
Now to the minor sorcery Lisa has been doing, let me touch on something. The 3e paradigm of sorcery means mortals can become Sorcerers quite easily, but it also allows for their magic to change them, given time. Essence can do a great deal more than turn you into an Elemental or a Spirit when it ends up so deeply woven into your life. So, you know, take that into account for future Lisa updates. Some fun stuff is in the pipeline
First off.
You're absolutely right, this isn't Lisa. You're also correct in calling me on some of what you did, because I did go a bit off the rails. I've fixed some of it, and will probably do a bit more work on it this weekend. @Serafina and @No One nailed the reasons for the speech being so very not-Lisa, however. In that Lisa from canon just doesn't exist anymore. It's that simple, and that complicated.
The main point I was trying to show with the majority of this chapter is how much Lisa has been altered by the Stations, something that some people did mention having not seen and that I had already planned to rectify. Character growth like this is a Big DealTM, but the problem with the outright magical manner of it is that it can seem incredibly forced. Realtalk: that's what my reading of Sacrifice as a station does. Once you accept it, you will change. There isn't any going back, and there's no way to change what you gave away once you've done so.
Combine this with the fact that Lisa has an incredibly potent Thinker power for analysis that she had been running from applying to herself since she became a parahuman. Now she can't run from that, which means she starts working on herself. Taking into account the 'can't see woods for trees' issues with this approach to self-help, she's actually done rather well.
Now to the minor sorcery Lisa has been doing, let me touch on something. The 3e paradigm of sorcery means mortals can become Sorcerers quite easily, but it also allows for their magic to change them, given time. Essence can do a great deal more than turn you into an Elemental or a Spirit when it ends up so deeply woven into your life. So, you know, take that into account for future Lisa updates. Some fun stuff is in the pipeline
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Just FYI, I made some edits to 4.4. The essential change is that they were now fighting Lung because he'd otherwise have caused a ton of damage to the docks, making the entire fight into a much less stupid-suicidal endeavor. I hope Taylors individual decisions are still somewhat reckless, but the entire group shouldn't be like that, least of all because New Wave was there.