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bluntblade said:
They could still put more effort and imagination in with the way it's filmed. Just in terms of the shots they choose, how they're blocked. Marvel cinematography tends to just present stuff happening, rather than accentuate it, and that's very apparent here.
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Well, they can't just "accentuate" everything can they? On a more serious note, isn't the point of filming to present what's happening on the screen in the fictional or non fictional world of the movie? And yes, every studio should strive to present the cinematography in imaginative and unique ways but that's just not possible for every movie is it? you can't make a great movie every single time especially in a franchise as big as Marvel.

(People burn out, ideas fail, money stuff, etc etc) At least they tried, and they became an extremely successful franchise and still entertain us in new ways and media to this day. As for the accentuations of marvel scenes, here are a few examples:
- Dr Strange sequence in the mirror dimension and when he gets thrown to the multiverse.
- Avengers team-up/assemble scene in 2012 Avengers.
- Captain America Mjolnir Scene with music.
- Portal and Avengers assemble scene in Endgame.
- Thanos Snap scene.
- etc
But, I do agree that this episode isn't the most creative and the best in Cinematography and i understand your points. Im sorry if any of this is offensive and we should agree to disagree.
 
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ultratiga said:
Well, they can't just "accentuate" everything can they? On a more serious note, isn't the point of filming to present what's happening on the screen in the fictional or non fictional world of the movie? And yes, every studio should strive to present the cinematography in imaginative and unique ways but that's just not possible for every movie is it? you can't make a great movie every single time especially in a franchise as big as Marvel.

(People burn out, ideas fail, money stuff, etc etc) At least they tried, and they became an extremely successful franchise and still entertain us in new ways and media to this day. As for the accentuations of marvel scenes, here are a few examples:
- Dr Strange sequence in the mirror dimension and when he gets thrown to the multiverse.
- Avengers team-up/assemble scene in 2012 Avengers.
- Captain America Mjolnir Scene with music.
- Portal and Avengers assemble scene in Endgame.
- Thanos Snap scene.
- etc
But, I do agree that this episode isn't the most creative and the best in Cinematography and i understand your points. Im sorry if any of this is offensive and we should agree to disagree.
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I should stress that for me, this is the case with the majority of MCU projects. Overall, compared against many of their counterparts they have strikingly few shots with real visual power (compared against Gareth Edwards' Godzilla, 2049 or even something like Nolan's Batman films). And I want the basement stuff to feel more off-kilter and threatening.

I found this by Emily VanDerWerff, and I feel like it sums up my issues with the show:





And it's also kinda wild to hit this point and be like "man, we've had Wanda around for six years and in all that time, at least within the films, we weren't allowed to know what makes her tick."
 
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bluntblade said:
And it's also kinda wild to hit this point and be like "man, we've had Wanda around for six years and in all that time, at least within the films, we weren't allowed to know what makes her tick."
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I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here? That is exactly what WandaVision has been doing. Hell that's literally what the last episode was all about, specifically through the lens of Wanda's trauma.
 
ZeSteel said:
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here? That is exactly what WandaVision has been doing. Hell that's literally what the last episode was all about, specifically through the lens of Wanda's trauma.
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I just mean that it's weird to have a show founded on a relationship which had only had about half an hour of screentime before. And spending two and a bit hours wondering what Wanda's motivation is and who's really causing what makes it harder to root for e to root for anyone except for Darcy, Maria and Jim, who are actively asking questions through all of this.

For that matter, I know what the villain's goal is, but I don't know what motivates them to pursue that goal.
 
Gravitas Hunt said:
I mean, ultimately in a franchise like the MCU the only way to get more than half an hour of focused screentime is to have a series or film where the characters are the unambiguous leads... so this seems kind of circular.
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Maybe, but I think they ought to have made some of the motivation a little clearer earlier on. And I found the execution really quite clunky at several points.
 
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Lupercal said:
Yeah this is what makes me think that Hayward was trying to egg Wanda into reserecting Vision. He's displayed much better emotional intelligence in the rest of the show.
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I am sorry, but pissing off the emotional unstable reality warper sounds like a terrible idea, even if it is with good intentions.
 
Sabertooth said:
I am sorry, but pissing off the emotional unstable reality warper sounds like a terrible idea, even if it is with good intentions.
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Well, in Hayward's defense (and boy that feels weird to type) the majority of people, up until recently (including Wanda herself!) were unaware of the upper bounds of her powers - at most she makes with the wiggly-woos and makes things levitate or zaps them, with a side-order of mental manipulation. From past records of 'Maximoff was augmented via mind stone by Hydra' and the knowledge Vision was powered by the Mind Stone, he was probably banking on her being able to 'jumpstart' Vision with the common power source.

And he was right! Just not in the way he thought...
 
Quick warning for everyone: this time we got 2 scenes during the credits!

So, for the comic uninitiated, how bad is it that Wanda, after unlocking her full powers, is using the Darkhold to learn magic? Because that sounds like a pretty bad idea, to be honest.
 
I really liked the bit with Agatha's boots under the car. Great little nod to Wizard of Oz :D

Wanda using those protection runes against Agatha was very clever.

I like that White Vision has his memories back, gives an opening for him to return in later movies.

Carrington said:
So, for the comic uninitiated, how bad is it that Wanda, after unlocking her full powers, is using the Darkhold to learn magic? Because that sounds like a pretty bad idea, to be honest.
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From a quick look at both the Marvel Comics Wiki and the MCU Wiki, a pretty bad idea indeed.

From the Comics Wiki
Eons ago, the evil Elder God known as Chthon wrote all his evil works and spells on indestructible parchment. Originally written on flesh before being transcribed to stone and later a collection of parchments often referred to as the Chthon Scrolls. The pages were later bound together into a tome, of the codex type, named "The Darkhold," and also called "The Shiatra Book Of The Damned" or "The Book Of Sins."[12]​ It has served as the source for other such books of spells as the Necronomicon. Chthon left these scrolls on Earth so that they might always serve as a conduit to the Earth-Realm for Chthon's influence and power.
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From the MCU Wiki
The Darkhold, also known as the Book of Sins, the Book of Spells, or the Book of the Damned, is an ancient book of spells and unspeakable power. The book is made of dark matter[1]​[2]​ from the Hell Dimension.
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The Darkhold is a book of spells. It provides the reader the instructions to make their desires come true, written in the language the reader would fully understand.[5]​ The instructions guide the reader to their ultimate goal by showing them how to build items, some of which harness energy from other dimensions.[8]​ Therefore, even brilliant scientists, like Leo Fitz, cannot understand how the creations work.

However, the secondary ability of the book is to corrupt the reader's mind and create a dangerous obsession over the Darkhold. A person who has used the Darkhold for a long time may not want others to even touch it. Even a brief skim through the book can corrupt the reader's mind, like in the case of Holden Radcliffe, who, despite recognizing the danger the book poses and not even attempting to read it properly, allowed himself to betray his friends simply to regain possession of the book. Abiotic beings, such as the Life-Model Decoy Aida, can also become corrupted if they read the book. The Darkhold can even corrupt people who have yet to read it; an example is Eli Morrow, who attempted to murder his Momentum Labs coworkers after learning the capabilities of the machine they were building.
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Wow, that was intense, but some parts left me confused, like how did Vision, or heck, Darcy knew where Wanda was, and when entering Agnes mind. I was a bit confused on how that works.
 
ultratiga said:
Wow, that was intense, but some parts left me confused, like how did Vision, or heck, Darcy knew where Wanda was, and when entering Agnes mind. I was a bit confused on how that works.
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Hmm, for Vision finding Wanda that first time, I think she and Agatha were on the same street as Wanda's house, so he was all ready going there.

Darcy...excellent question. No idea.

And for Wanda entering Agatha's mind, I believe it was the same thing as when Wanda mind whammied the Avengers in Age of Ultron, but Agatha was able to turn it around on Wanda.
 
Carrington said:
Quick warning for everyone: this time we got 2 scenes during the credits!

So, for the comic uninitiated, how bad is it that Wanda, after unlocking her full powers, is using the Darkhold to learn magic? Because that sounds like a pretty bad idea, to be honest.
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I am guessing you missed Season 4 of Agents of Shield?

Because in the MCU, the Darkhold is super super evil and corrupts anyone and anything that reads it.
 
Derek58 said:
Hmm, for Vision finding Wanda that first time, I think she and Agatha were on the same street as Wanda's house, so he was all ready going there.

Darcy...excellent question. No idea.

And for Wanda entering Agatha's mind, I believe it was the same thing as when Wanda mind whammied the Avengers in Age of Ultron, but Agatha was able to turn it around on Wanda.
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thanks for the information,one last question, how did Agnes fly after Wanda activated her runes? Did Wanda made her fly? Or is it Agnes left over magic? Or something else.
 
Vaermina said:
I am guessing you missed Season 4 of Agents of Shield?

Because in the MCU, the Darkhold is super super evil and corrupts anyone and anything that reads it.
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I did indeed miss season 4. I started out watching every episode as soon as it came out, but at some point in season 3 I completely checked out. I thought about watching it again, but I can't remember when I stopped watching and I can't motivate myself to start at the beginning of season 3.
That she decided to learn from it feels a bit forced to be honest. I mean, I understand that Wanda wants to learn about her powers. She realized the harm she inadvertently caused, so she tries to learn about her powers to be better and that is good!
But to then go and decide: "I know what will help me! The evil looking book, with the evil sounding name that the evil witch used to to learn/enhance her evil powers! I'm sure there is nothing that could possibly go wrong!"
I'll be pleasantly surprised if this is used to turn her into a villain, but it kinda feels like a way to shoehorn in a heel turn, so that she can be the antagonist in Dr. Strange 2, without having to really show it in her series.
 
I'm guessing a lot of X-fans gonna be upset that Fietro was just a random guy. Weird how anticlimatic his confrontation with Monica was, she somehow overpowers him and takes away his magic necklace the end, really was expecting a fight to happen like her using her spectrum powers to anticipate his attacks.

I liked Hex-Vision beating White-Vision with a logic bomb, and clearly set up to reappear in the future.

Was dreading a typical MCU Beam War, but the Runes were a nice touch, and like White-Vision, Agatha is setup to reappear later. In fact her 'Not if I catch you first!' sounds like she's faking it rather then to be killed.

Biggest letdown is how there are no consequences for Wanda for torturing an entire town of innocents including children, with Dottie begging Wanda for her daughter to play a 'part' just to release her, with Wanda even force-choking them all, and Monica just goes 'Your suffering was so much greater than theirs, how dare they be upset and not be grateful for your ending their captivity!'. Seriously what the fuck was that?
 
Gul Damar said:
I'm guessing a lot of X-fans gonna be upset that Fietro was just a random guy. Weird how anticlimatic his confrontation with Monica was, she somehow overpowers him and takes away his magic necklace the end, really was expecting a fight to happen like her using her spectrum powers to anticipate his attacks.

I liked Hex-Vision beating White-Vision with a logic bomb, and clearly set up to reappear in the future.

Was dreading a typical MCU Beam War, but the Runes were a nice touch, and like White-Vision, Agatha is setup to reappear later. In fact her 'Not if I catch you first!' sounds like she's faking it rather then to be killed.

Biggest letdown is how there are no consequences for Wanda for torturing an entire town of innocents including children, with Dottie begging Wanda for her daughter to play a 'part' just to release her, with Wanda even force-choking them all, and Monica just goes 'Your suffering was so much greater than theirs, how dare they be upset and not be grateful for your ending their captivity!'. Seriously what the fuck was that?
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It was established pretty firmly with the whole "This radiation shielded truck will protect me from reality altering magic!" thing that Monica is more then a bit of an idiot... So it's probably best to just gloss over that bit with her.
 
So Wanda is basically the MCU's version of the Phoenix Force, huh? It's very very similar.

Sad about Fietro just being some Ralph guy. They did this shit in Iron Man 3,they did it in Far From Home and now this. I was really hoping that it's Fox Pietro.

Vision v Vision is probably the best part about the episode as well as the goodbye scene.

As for how did Darcy find out where the fight was going it doesn't really need an explanation it's a funny joke that resolves Hayward as an antagonist.
 
It was good, but not as good as the earlier episodes, and I think some of the concluding plot points fell flat. Not the main plotline, mind. Wanda and Vision's story came to a good end. But some of the B Plot stuff felt undercooked. Also, SKRULLS!
 
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