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Yeah, I'd say that's a reasonable response. I'm honestly cool with the whole series, beginning to end, except for Monica's mention of Wanda's "sacrifice" which definitely made me tilt my head.

SB's general response is that she sacrificed her kids for the town and so had more than atoned for her actions. I really can't help but feel that that's just...a moral 0, I guess? Not continuing to mind rape thousands of people even though it would mean losing what you want (especially if it's something you didn't even have before the aggrieving act) isn't heroic, it's the bare minimum that any reasonable person would expect from their fellow human being.

Then she proceeds to do what she did to Agatha which... look, I'm still down with her but that's just cause I'm cool with morally fucked characters as long as the person/people writing said character knows who they're writing and what that character is really doing.

Of course, the argument that Wanda being fucked up meaning that Hayward was the hero is just weird. Some people were making that argument while trying to express what I just did (including my older sister) and I have to wonder if we watched the same show.

Also, apparently mind controlled Agatha is still living with Ralph soooo...that's gotta be weird.
 
WorthyAlchemist? said:
SB's general response is that she sacrificed her kids for the town and so had more than atoned for her actions. I really can't help but feel that that's just...a moral 0, I guess? Not continuing to mind rape thousands of people even though it would mean losing what you want (especially if it's something you didn't even have before the aggrieving act) isn't heroic, it's the bare minimum that any reasonable person would expect from their fellow human being.
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It's not just that she gave up what she wanted. She actively killed her kids and husband to save these people. What she did to the people of Westview was fucked up, but it's not like she didn't have to give up a lot to save them from her mistake.
 
Tylonius said:
It's not just that she gave up what she wanted. She actively killed her kids and husband to save these people. What she did to the people of Westview was fucked up, but it's not like she didn't have to give up a lot to save them from her mistake.
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It may be that her kids could still be alive though, as she hears their voices in the Easter Egg at the end of the episode.
 
Tylonius said:
It's not just that she gave up what she wanted. She actively killed her kids and husband to save these people. What she did to the people of Westview was fucked up, but it's not like she didn't have to give up a lot to save them from her mistake.
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It's just that the creation of said husband and kids is inextricably linked with the atrocities she's committing such that I can't really separate them in my mind.

It's an extreme example, but the closest I can think of is if Jervis Tetch gave up on his dreams of having "Alice". "Alice" isn't real (when the kids and Vision arguably are) but it's comparable in the sense that their creation and sustainment is inseparable from monstrous acts.

Setting aside Wanda's sacrifice or whatever, I do have a question. Why didn't Doctor Strange show up? I know it's because Wanda is gonna be in MoM and the show isn't about Dr Strange but what reason does he have in the narrative to not show up? What Wanda did was so powerful that Agatha could sense what was happening and showed up so you'd think the Sorcerer Supreme would do the same. That holds especially true since solving something like "a rogue magic user has used reality warping magics to enslave and isolate a town" is kinda within his jurisdiction to help with.
 
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WorthyAlchemist? said:
It's just that the creation of said husband and kids is inextricably linked with the atrocities she's committing such that I can't really separate them in my mind.

It's an extreme example, but the closest I can think of is if Jervis Tetch gave up on his dreams of having "Alice". "Alice" isn't real (when the kids and Vision arguably are) but it's comparable in the sense that their creation and sustainment is inseparable from monstrous acts.

Setting aside Wanda's sacrifice or whatever, I do have a question. Why didn't Doctor Strange show up? I know it's because Wanda is gonna be in MoM and the show isn't about Dr Strange but what reason does he have in the narrative to not show up? What Wanda did was so powerful that Agatha could sense what was happening and showed up so you'd think the Sorcerer Supreme would do the same. That holds especially true since solving something like "a rogue magic user has used reality warping magics to enslave and isolate a town" is kinda within his jurisdiction to help with.
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TBF, by the same logic at least one Avenger ought to have turned up when Shield underwent a coup by Hydra, etc. That particular logical ship has long since sailed.
 
bluntblade said:
TBF, by the same logic at least one Avenger ought to have turned up when Shield underwent a coup by Hydra, etc. That particular logical ship has long since sailed.
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Do you mean like in Agents of Shield or in Winter Soldier? If it's the former I didn't watch that and if it's the latter then I heard that some of the movies were happening in concert with each other/people were unable to know about and or get there. Unless it's explained in MoM, transportation shouldn't be a problem, I explained why him not knowing about it is unlikely, and this is one of his, like, two responsibilities.
 
WorthyAlchemist? said:
Setting aside Wanda's sacrifice or whatever, I do have a question. Why didn't Doctor Strange show up? I know it's because Wanda is gonna be in MoM and the show isn't about Dr Strange but what reason does he have in the narrative to not show up? What Wanda did was so powerful that Agatha could sense what was happening and showed up so you'd think the Sorcerer Supreme would do the same. That holds especially true since solving something like "a rogue magic user has used reality warping magics to enslave and isolate a town" is kinda within his jurisdiction to help with.
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I assume that the Hex thing wanda created only lasted like 2 weeks to a month tops short amount of time considering Everyone just came back from the snap so i assume everyone is playing catch up strange included.
 
WorthyAlchemist? said:
It's just that the creation of said husband and kids is inextricably linked with the atrocities she's committing such that I can't really separate them in my mind.

It's an extreme example, but the closest I can think of is if Jervis Tetch gave up on his dreams of having "Alice". "Alice" isn't real (when the kids and Vision arguably are) but it's comparable in the sense that their creation and sustainment is inseparable from monstrous acts.

Setting aside Wanda's sacrifice or whatever, I do have a question. Why didn't Doctor Strange show up? I know it's because Wanda is gonna be in MoM and the show isn't about Dr Strange but what reason does he have in the narrative to not show up? What Wanda did was so powerful that Agatha could sense what was happening and showed up so you'd think the Sorcerer Supreme would do the same. That holds especially true since solving something like "a rogue magic user has used reality warping magics to enslave and isolate a town" is kinda within his jurisdiction to help with.
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It's in his jurisdiction, but it's beneath his notice. Sorcerer Supreme and Co. concern themselves with threats to the stability of their entire universe, not the fate of one town.
 
So I listened to an interview with the Director and apparently one of the major themes of the Series will be nationalism and identity in a Post-Blip world, so that'll be interesting.
 
Sulemain said:
So I listened to an interview with the Director and apparently one of the major themes of the Series will be nationalism and identity in a Post-Blip world, so that'll be interesting.
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The bad guys in Falcon and the Winter Soldier being anti-nationalists/anarchists sure is a trip after the fictional events of Captain America 2 and the very real events of January 6th. I'm sure they're going to turn out to have been infiltrated by Hydra or something equally dumb, but I'll be very surprised if the MCU handles it well. :V
 
prometheus110 said:
The bad guys in Falcon and the Winter Soldier being anti-nationalists/anarchists sure is a trip after the fictional events of Captain America 2 and the very real events of January 6th. I'm sure they're going to turn out to have been infiltrated by Hydra or something equally dumb, but I'll be very surprised if the MCU handles it well. :V
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I mean the other bad guy is going to pretty obviously be US Agent, as someone who doesn't deserve to wield the shield, so could go either way.
 
Also, I just realize that I'd forgotten until now that Darcy had been a supporting character in the first two Thor movies.
 
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