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Devastation Comes In Big Packages [Planetary Annihilation/Multicross SI]

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Potato and Chip said:
This will be interesting politically.

America just encountered a true galactic power. A true galactic power that is very involved with their Galaxy, unlike the Asgard who had barely a presence at all due to their war and decline. This isn't some human society that's stuck in the past either nor is it an advanced human society that has long since stagnated like so many others SG-1 would have encountered. The Empire of Wu is advanced, massive, and still growing.

If someone views the situation in relative sizes this is the equivalent of a modern continent spanning nation coming into contact with one tribe of a Stone Age society who live on an island of many other tribes.

Sure the island might be the birth place of their entire species, but what can the one tribe really offer the nation that it doesn't already have (besides access for the nation's archaeologists). And who is to say that the nation won't contact the other tribes as well?

Surely the American diplomats will realize this and it will probably scare them shitless. In fact I don't think America has actually been in a position like this before. They aren't talking to an inferior power or even one on equal footing, they are very much the ants in this meeting and the Empire of Wu can basicly do anything they want while holding up a middle finger.

The Empire wants to contact China? Good luck stopping them. The Empire wants to reveal their existence to the world? Not much they can do about it.

In fact I could see this meeting resulting in the SG program being revealed to the other world powers early.

I mean from the outside the Empire of Wu is an imperialistic power which conquers worlds they consider primitive and proceeds to uplift them while using secret police so that the new territory can integrate into the Empire better.

American officials might very well believe that earth needs to present a unified front in order to avoid being swallowed up.
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Weren't there a few Mary Sue defences? The drones and such?
 
The Mary Sue defenses of Earth are probably on the 'prime' dimension where everything bent backwards to 'MURICA to go everything smooth. In other words, show canon.

Nobody (but us) cares what this backwards blip in the local multiversal cluster does.
 
Eliar said:
Weren't there a few Mary Sue defences? The drones and such?
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Well yeah but that was a one time off Ancient weapon, and those things are a dime a dozen.

They don't know about the drones yet and if they did they would probably provide some form of small time comfort.... Until they learn more about the Empire's military capabilities.

Using priceless drones against an unending army of droids isn't exactly an even fight.

Now I'm not saying the Empire has any desire to conquer earth at all, but what I am saying is that the various politicians and military men are going to spend many a sleepless night staring at their ceiling wondering if tommomrrow is the day an Empire politician circles their planet on a map as just one more territory to absorb among countless others.
 
Because Finals, next update isn't going to be for a short bit. Not as long a wait as last time, but still, a bit of one. That does not preclude me plugging away at it tho, so no worries.

But, hey, because I want to, here's an excerpt from what I've written so far:



"How many worlds, did you say again?"

"More than three hundred, less than five hundred," Sun Qui tilted her head slightly, her hands in her lap.

"And I suppose we're not going to get anything more concrete than that."

"General Hammond..why would we tell a single nation of a single Class-0 planet with whom we have just initiated diplomatic relations with anything of that kind of secure nature?"

Also at the table, Jack cursed near silently as he reached into his pocket and withdrew a set of bills. Unfortunately for him, both George and Sun Qui noticed as he handed it over to Carter whose victorious smirk flickered out almost immediately.

"Colonel, you want to explain to me what you're doing over there while we're doing this?" George huffed with a faint undertone of honest irritation.

Sun Qui merely tilted her head again only in a different direction while keeping her face blank.

"I uh, me and Carter had a bit of an...ongoing discussion over what rating Wu would give Earth."

"Judging things incorrectly comes with increased aging, Colonel, a shame," Sun Qui said with a flicker of a smile before looking to Carter, "You, I assume, made the correct assumption."

"I'm not that old!"
 
To get to Class-1, you have to actually function as a planet.

As in, an actual planet in totality.

Not part and parcel bits of a planet.

And no, exceptions are not made for 1/2 is technologically amazing and 1/2 is barbarians.
 
So it might count as a Level-1/2 if you ignore all that silly worldwide politician bullshit, unity, poverty and starvation stuff. If we only went with the Technology Basis of the 1st world countries and the rest didn't count that is...

Yeeeaap. Class-0 fits well.
 
Well, theoretically there is a solution to getting a Class 1 rating if you are willing to unite all nuclear powers and go the old style empire and turn everyone else into a colonial and vassals nation. That or the insano option of just erasing them via strategic applications of fire. That however may get you the Class 1 rating but the enmity of the Empire...

Basically independent administration and self-determination below planet level is not tolerated because that is the smallest self-contained unit for a interstellar empire. A divided planet is a contested and unstable planet. To have any classification worthy of investment it has to be one single political and administrative entity. As geopolitical requirements go that is imho a very sensible and reasonable criteria, and indicative of their views and culture, after all just like the nox, tollan &co the Empire has to have its own sets of rules and regulations for Earth to match. Theirs however are harder to do in hindsight.
 
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torroar said:
To get to Class-1, you have to actually function as a planet.

As in, an actual planet in totality.

Not part and parcel bits of a planet.

And no, exceptions are not made for 1/2 is technologically amazing and 1/2 is barbarians.
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What about independent space stations, nomads, and interstellar civilizations? Discriminating against them like they're doing with this apparently functional nation that the SGC belongs to doesn't seem wise, because a dysfunctional group can still have access to wmds.

And then there's the fact that most of the humans in the Stargate Milky Way were transplanted from Earth, and some of those low-tech planets should only be functional because there's only one village on them.
 
remulian said:
Basically independent administration and self-determination below planet level is not tolerated because that is the smallest self-contained unit for a interstellar empire. A divided planet is a contested and unstable planet. To have any classification worthy of investment it has to be one single political and administrative entity. As geopolitical requirements go that is imho a very sensible and reasonable criteria, and indicative of their views and culture, after all just like the nox, tollan &co the Empire has to have its own sets of rules and regulations for Earth to match. Theirs however are harder to do in hindsight.
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More like they're not going to deal with a planet if they can't point towards a central government worth talking to. And frankly? The United Nations is too incapable to count, while the US, EU, China and Russia may each be potentially interesting there's no real gain compared to the headache that would be trying to balance them.

And not trying to balance them will result in much nuclear fireworks.
 
oliverwashere said:
What about independent space stations, nomads, and interstellar civilizations? Discriminating against them like they're doing with this apparently functional nation that the SGC belongs to doesn't seem wise, because a dysfunctional group can still have access to wmds.

And then there's the fact that most of the humans in the Stargate Milky Way were transplanted from Earth, and some of those low-tech planets should only be functional because there's only one village on them.
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I think you're blowing this out of proportion. No-one said that planets with a single village would be class-1, no-one has said anything about how they discriminate or do not discriminate against class-0 planets apart from not considering them very good at keeping information secret. Stop inventing things to be offended at.
 
One possibility is that the class system was made for the specific purpose of ranking planets within the empire, this has some logical conseqwences such as the list would start at single government, space age and omnipresent spyforce
 
Could also be a way to judge the Planets people on a Technological and Sociological level: one being the least and ten being the most. The more unified the people are, the more advanced their tech becomes, the more they throw off their concepts and traditions from the older generations.
 
Evonix said:
I thought that was explicitly said
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*goes back and checks*
torroar said:
"The level of a World within the Empire is based on its general education, population size, wealth, etcetera etcetera," Sun waved her hand through the air, "With a specific emphasis on the first."[/QUOTE]
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Eh I guess it was, sort of. Though from the underlined bit's I would assume it's more of a Sociological level then anything else
 
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I feel its more akin to the maturity level of the world, ie you don't give a three year old access to the kitchen or power tools, its a given they don't have the capacity to handle, or even acknowledge dangerous things like an adult. But as you grow up, you're judged to be able to handle more and more adult things. So right now Earth is the equivalent of your neighbors bratty preteen who thinks he knows everything there is to know, and thinks that he's the best and everyone should listen to him.

I wouldn't trust someone like that with a fork, let alone power tools.
 
First Final Is In 3 Hours, but first, have some dialogue I haven't prettied up yet for the next update:

"I mean, based on your initial description it seems a little simplistic to determine a ranking for an entire planet."

"Do you mean the single sentence I gave on the subject matter, Doctor Jackson?"

"Uh, well, yeah?"

"That is rather disappointing."

*Daniel makes confused face*

"The system for determining the ranking of a planet is highly complex and involves an entire bureau of people hundreds strong at the least and involves individuals possessing doctorates in sociology, psychology, political science, geography, and many more besides. It involves a level of calculus and in-person census taking as well as surveying to make their determinations. Asking me, a career military woman, to describe that with any level of true thoroughness would be the same thing as asking Colonel O'Neill to accurately state the current top ten songs that teenagers are listening to on the radio."

"Hey!"

"Name three."

"I...uh....well there's..."

"Have I made my point, Doctor Jackson?"
 
torroar said:
would be the same thing as asking Colonel O'Neill to accurately state the current top ten songs that teenagers are listening to on the radio."

"Hey!"

"Name three."

"I...uh....well there's..."

"Have I made my point, Doctor Jackson?"
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Would be funny if he honestly did know the tip ten songs and everyone is just staring at him after he lists them out.:p
 
Assuming that there is still a unit cap in effect, I'm honestly waiting for Theta throw reason to the curb and build something the size of Abel's Ark from Xenosaga, for those of you who don't know what it is take a look at this and this.

And just so all of you get a sense of scale, those colored spheres are planets and that purple vortex is a black hole. The two smaller ship are 4 KM long for the red one and 1000 KM for the silver one.
 
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So, my last final is tomorrow...yay.

On this story though, some notes: After we finish up with this bit, we're probably going to hop around a bit inside Stargate time-skip wise. Just letting you know now that we aren't going to exhaustively follow SG with every episode onto the way to the 'finale' of the show, yeah?
 
torroar said:
So, my last final is tomorrow...yay.
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Good for you and hope it's not too hard so you.

You can finally relax after it's done.
torroar said:
On this story though, some notes: After we finish up with this bit, we're probably going to hop around a bit inside Stargate time-skip wise. Just letting you know now that we aren't going to exhaustively follow SG with every episode onto the way to the 'finale' of the show, yeah?
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No problem and it does make sense to me story wise.
 
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