Deus Pater (Exalted/40k)

[X] Retribution - You will go to the Admiral on the bridge, and there in his place of power you will demonstrate the folly of his callous disregard. He will be broken, body and will, before you are done, and only then will you reforge him into a true servant of the Emperor.

This is very risky, but it's the best choice all the same.

Excellent point. Plus, you know, Exalted- risky's kind of our thing.

[] Retribution

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I thought about this for a second, and we're supposed to be reforming the imperium into somewhere less shitty. Plus, violence begets violence, and we don't actually know what the Admiral will do. We should give him a chance to not be a dick.

[X] Usurpation
Adhoc vote count started by BadAtScreenNames on Dec 12, 2018 at 8:06 AM, finished with 2226 posts and 82 votes.
 
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Frankly I think we need to tell the sisters that they better learn to hold their fire unless otherwise directed by us, because if they carry on just randomly shooting surprised Imperial nooks who were doing their jobs (evil jobs to be sure, but the Imperium itself is pretty evil) it kind of flies in the face of our desire to enlighten and reform society and it's citizens.
Yyyeah but they're our bodyguards. They do kinda need to exercise their initiative on intercepting threats to our health and wellbeing, which is fairly likely to involve asploding attackers we mightn't aware of.

Not to say we shouldn't to have a talk to them, but I think that talk should be more about proportionate response than holding fire. A verbal threat like that could have been answered quite satisfactorily by simply levelling a bolter or two at them until they thought better of the idea.
 
The guy drew a sword with clear intent to kill. Lethal force was an appropriate response. Bolter-levelling and verbal warning is for when someone makes a bad move with unclear intent.
 
Perfectly fine with the people around the person that draws a weapon near a Sister learning why that's a bad idea.
 
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means, opportunity, intent plus HVT in danger.

I'm pretty sure most military courts would be like 'OK'

setting aside the situation was less like a security operation and more akin to a VERY polite boarding action.
 
Yyyeah but they're our bodyguards. They do kinda need to exercise their initiative on intercepting threats to our health and wellbeing, which is fairly likely to involve asploding attackers we mightn't aware of.
I think the best way to avoid the Sisters asploding someone we'd prefer they not is to avoid giving people we'd prefer they not asplode opportunity to provoke them.

Thus, why I'd prefer not to be in the same room as the Admiral for a bit.
 
I can't tell if they're screaming in terror or squealing in glee.

Toth's Revenge might also be recognizable to her Navigators and Astropaths, and maybe some of the bridge crew if they have MIUs
They'd need new underwear in any case
The guy drew a sword with clear intent to kill. Lethal force was an appropriate response. Bolter-levelling and verbal warning is for when someone makes a bad move with unclear intent.
Pretty much. If you suddenly pull a weapon you can be assumed to be about to use it.
Nobody could fault a bodyguard there, because it just takes a few seconds to kill their primary with a bolter or las weapon if they don't remove the offender BEFORE they shoot.
 
Nobody could fault a bodyguard there, because it just takes a few seconds to kill their primary with a bolter or las weapon if they don't remove the offender BEFORE they shoot.

I mean, when the person they're protecting is Ignatius, that no longer really applies. One mundane human with personal-scale weaponry, attacking without the benefit of surprise, does not strike me as posing a credible threat to Ignatius's life.
 
I mean, when the person they're protecting is Ignatius, that no longer really applies. One mundane human with personal-scale weaponry, attacking without the benefit of surprise, does not strike me as posing a credible threat to Ignatius's life.
They don't know that.

The Sisters don't know anything about Ignatius' charms; not surprising, since Ignatius doesn't entirely understand them himself. They don't know their opponent is a mundane human with only a mundane sword, given all the fuckery that goes on in the 40kverse with possession and poisons and whatnot.

And frankly, they have no reason to care.
Arguably, someone attempting to draw a clearly lethal weapon on an unarmed, unarmored man accompanied by power armored bodyguards is either mentally deficient or has some sort of trump. A bodyguard wouldn't wait to determine which.
 
They don't know that.

The Sisters don't know anything about Ignatius' charms; not surprising, since Ignatius doesn't entirely understand them himself.

I mean, they've seen him fight (for example, the confrontation with the press gang on the surface). I can definitely follow the "better safe than sorry" reasoning but I hope you can also see why "default to lethal force" is not necessarily a pattern we want our bodyguards to have long-term.
 
I mean, they've seen him fight (for example, the confrontation with the press gang on the surface). I can definitely follow the "better safe than sorry" reasoning but I hope you can also see why "default to lethal force" is not necessarily a pattern we want our bodyguards to have long-term.
Because in this setting, default to lethal force is the only chance you're going to get to stop a Chaos Cultist too roided up to stop from merely losing an arm
 
I mean, they've seen him fight (for example, the confrontation with the press gang on the surface). I can definitely follow the "better safe than sorry" reasoning but I hope you can also see why "default to lethal force" is not necessarily a pattern we want our bodyguards to have long-term.
They've seen him fight. They've seen him bleed. They can still smell the blood on him. They tortured him almost to death as a test of faith. They know, better than others, that while he's hardier than normal people, he's still mortal.
So a naval officer with a sword is still a credible lethal threat.

Remember, they didn't kill the guy for making threats. Or for drawing his weapon.
They killed him for threatening to kill Ignatius while drawing a weapon. Not counting any hidden weapons he might have.
After all, the last Inquisitor that almost killed Ignatius before Imperial intervention used a hideout pistol.

There's several teams of naval ratings here armed with shotguns and the like. None of them have been shot.
It's not like the Sisters were shooting civilians in a crowd that attempted to crowd Ignatius either.

If we don't want them to kill someone, we give them explicit orders.
But their current RoE seems entirely reasonable.
 
Also, the Emperor is a paralysed, barely-alive carcass strapped into a life support appratus roughly the size of a city. The Traitor Legions are not necessarily wrong to call him the Corpse God. It's entirely possible he simply doesn't have any capacity to stop the Imperium.

In canon, at least. In this quest, we are that capacity.
 
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Also, the Emperor is a paralysed, barely-alive carcass strapped into a life support appratus roughly the size of a city. The Traitor Legions are not necessarily wrong to call him the Corpse God. It's entirely possible he simply doesn't have any capacity to stop the Imperium.

In canon, at least. In this quest, we are that capacity.


Don't forget the holding the warp gates closed to save Terra AND being the only reason warp based FTL still works.

The Emperor is busy right now, please leave a message and call again.
 
It's entirely possible he simply doesn't have any capacity to stop the Imperium.
He does, though. Like, his continued life and powering of the Astronomican is something he does of his own will, that's been said a lot of times, and nowhere has it been said that he's continuing the survival against his own will. If we go by newer canon we also see that he's fully sapient, an asshole but he still loves humanity.
 
He does, though. Like, his continued life and powering of the Astronomican is something he does of his own will, that's been said a lot of times, and nowhere has it been said that he's continuing the survival against his own will. If we go by newer canon we also see that he's fully sapient, an asshole but he still loves humanity.
Well, strictly speaking the Emperor doesn't power the Astronomican; That's done by the Astronomican Choir, the Big E only acts as a sort of psychic lens to focus its light.

Of course, the Emperor could just stop soul binding new Astropaths and the Imperium would soon collapse.
 
He does, though. Like, his continued life and powering of the Astronomican is something he does of his own will, that's been said a lot of times, and nowhere has it been said that he's continuing the survival against his own will. If we go by newer canon we also see that he's fully sapient, an asshole but he still loves humanity.
That's not stopping the Imperium, though. That's killing it.
 
Also, I question whether he actually can stop surviving. Again, he's strapped into a life support appratus roughly the size of a city. Despite what the Star Wars prequels would have you believe, losing the will to live is not a malady beyond the power of medical science to treat.
 
Also, I question whether he actually can stop surviving. Again, he's strapped into a life support appratus roughly the size of a city. Despite what the Star Wars prequels would have you believe, losing the will to live is not a malady beyond the power of medical science to treat.

Not in Sci-fi Fantasy settings where actual magic is an actual phenomenon and an actual core aspect of reality. Actually. And is powered by belief and desire.
 
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Also, I question whether he actually can stop surviving. Again, he's strapped into a life support appratus roughly the size of a city. Despite what the Star Wars prequels would have you believe, losing the will to live is not a malady beyond the power of medical science to treat.
Isn't he still an uber-powerful psyker? With a power that's directed by his mind/soul?
If he loses his will to live, then there would have to be a far more powerful life support to keep him alive against his will.
 
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