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Wait, the Cabal had never encountered the Traveller before arriving in Sol? That's news to me.
Wait, the Cabal had never encountered the Traveller before arriving in Sol? That's news to me.
Nobody understands them. That's where they get their name. They are vexing to anyone who studies them.If I might ask a question, what's the deal with the Vex?
The Hive are representatives of or powered by (not sure which) the Darkness and are naturally antagonistic.
The Fallen were once blessed by the Traveler and are understandably pissed at being abandoned.
The Cabal believe that they are worthy of the Light and do not like that they were passed over I think.
But I have no clue what the Vex are about. I just know that they're time-traveling robots. Please explain the Vex.
FTFYBut Gary wants direct confirmation before committing anything more...thorough.
Nobody understands them. That's where they get their name. They are vexing to anyone who studies them.
But I have no clue what the Vex are about. I just know that they're time-traveling robots. Please explain the Vex.
Grimoire: Baris Protective
From the Records of NERV-Luna
[REDACTED]: Lieutenant Ibuki, status update.
Ibuki: Er...well, it's definitely not something that we made, and by we I mean [REDACTED]-
[REDACTED]: I'm well aware. Why was Subject Alpha found within the perimeter of the Lunar Branch? You know how strict security is with the ongoing campaign against the Ahamkara.
Ibuki: Yes sir.
[REDACTED]: Your findings?
Ibuki: Well, the robotic shell contains incredibly impressive processing capabilities, and its innards are circulating with a milky fluid rife with microscopic organisms.
[REDACTED]: Of what variety?
Ibuki: Protozoa. Radiozoa, to be precise...and they're emitting an odd energy field that the MAGI are still analyzing.
[REDACTED]: Anything else?
Ibuki: Well, if you'll give me just a second...okay, APOLLO just finished deciphering Subject Alpha's communications protocol! Let's see...
(eight seconds of silence ensue)
[REDACTED]: Lieutenant?
Ibuki: Sir, I think you need to get up here.
[REDACTED]: I'm currently preoccupied with affairs on Earth-
Ibuki: No sir, it's something you need to see in person. It's...I can't tell you what it contains.
[REDACTED]: ...I see. And I suppose if I ordered you to provide a hint?
Ibuki: ...it's directed for your eyes only, sir. Somehow, I'm physically unable to read the rest of the message...
[REDACTED]: A metaphysical filter? Impressive.
Ibuki: ...but the introduction says that something called the Baris Protective is a 'gift'.
[REDACTED]: Does it say from who?
Ibuki: Someone named-
(The remainder of this transcript has been redacted by the order of Commander Osiris. Further access requires approval from both the Vanguard Commander and the Speaker.)
Oryx went to his son, Crota. "Go keep an eye on your sisters," he said. "'You can learn cunning from them."
But while Oryx traveled to observe the Deep destroy an ancient fortress world, Crota conspired with his sisters to learn their secrets. "I too will experiment with a wound," he said. With his sword Crota cut open a new wound, into a new space. In here he thought he might obtain a secret power.
Out of this wound came machines called Vex. They invaded Oryx's throne world.
Verse 4:9 — open your eye : go into it
The Vex clattered around, constructing large problems. At first their constructions were deranged, because they didn't understand the sword logic, which defined all rules in Oryx's throne world. The geometry perplexed them.
"I'll cut them apart," Crota said. But just then, the Vex ritual-of-better-thoughts manifested a Mind called Quria, Blade Transform. Quria deduced the sword logic.
I have to kill everything, Quria resolved. Then I will be powerful.
Crota's gate began to emit warrior Vex, huge and brassy. He leapt forward to fight them, but they blinked away. After they fled from Crota, they killed two thousand of Oryx's Acolytes and ten thousand of his Thrall. Soon they had established themselves as powers in this world, by right of slaughter.
"Come forth, sister wizards," called Ir Halak. "We need you." Ir Anûk pulled a sword star out of the sky. Together the wizards charged it with killing power and made an annihilator totem, which they used to smash the Vex.
"Close the wound, brother Crota," Anûk ordered. "We will find a cunning way to destroy them, but only after they stop constructing problems on us."
But Quria had instanced itself to the other side of the gate, and built a holdfast to keep the way open. Quria's objective was to exploit the paracausal physics of Oryx's throne to become divine. It organized a series of test invasions.
For a hundred years of local time the siblings fought the Vex. When the Vex came into the sword world, they were inevitably annihilated, but when the Hive went into the Vex world, they lost too much of their power to win.
"Father's going to eat our souls," Halak sighed.
Quria captured some worm larvae and began experimenting with them. Soon Quria, Blade Transform manifested religious tactics. By directing worship at the worms, Quria learned it could alter reality with mild ontopathogenic effects. Being an efficient machine, Quria manufactured a priesthood and ordered all its subminds to believe in worship. Then it set about abducting and killing dangerous organisms so it could bootstrap itself to Hive godhood. For some Vex reason, Quria never attempted to introduce worm larvae into its mind fluid.
Savathûn was laughing, because she had tricked Crota into cutting that place.
This drew the attention of the Worm our God. ORYX, called Eir. SET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER.
Verse 4:10 — An Emperor For All Outcomes
Oryx rushed home and read from the Tablets of Ruin. He put some of the Vex into wounds, to be taken by the power of the Deep. Thus he turned the Vex against each other. Quria manifested a range of tactics, but none of them were adaptive. Oryx crushed all the Vex in his throne.
Oryx thought that he should study geometry, like the Vex. It was the map of perfect shapes. But first he had to punish imperfection.
"My son," he said, "this is your punishment. Come home glorious, or die forgotten!" He picked up Crota by the legs and threw him into the Vex gate network.
Crota battled through history, becoming a legendary demon. In his early centuries he often spared a few victims to hear oaths and protests against his father. Later, he came to understand Oryx, and he made temples and monuments wherever he went.
Meanwhile, Oryx brooded on the Vex. "I've met a worthy rival," he said. "They want to exist forever, just as I do. But I don't understand them."
At this his worm began to chew on him, for he was bound to understand.
He called Savathûn to meet in the material world. She told him that the Vex worked tirelessly to understand everything, so that they could build a victory condition for every possible end state of the universe.
"Then I must be a better king," Oryx said. "If they want to build an emperor for all outcomes, then I will be the king of only one. I will follow the Deep wherever it goes, and document its power. Let us create a catalog of the grave of worlds, which will be our map to victory."
Oryx knew that all life could be described as cellular automata, except for that life which understood the Deep or the Sky, and thus escaped causality.
Out of love for her brother, which was the same as the desire to kill him, Savathûn leaked a secret to Xivu Arath — 'listen, Xivu, Oryx's throne world has been compromised. You can cut your way in from here.' Xivu Arath used this to plan an ambush.
But Oryx was too canny. The Taken King said to his Court, the High War, "My throne world is vulnerable. I am going to move it."
'Where?' asked Kagoor, World-Render.
"Into a mighty dreadnaught," said Oryx. "I shall keep my glorious mind cosmos inside a titanic warship."
Verse 5:1 — End Of Failed Timeline
By now, Quria knows it can't win.
There's something pathological about the world inside Oryx's ship. It resists analysis with hot, dead spite. And Oryx himself, he's irreducible — he refuses to obey Quria's simulations, he crashes around sowing chaos, he grabs subminds and compromises them with some kind of ontological weapon. Paracausal systems. Very problematic.
Quria's trying the religious tactics it evolved in the Hive manifold. But even on those terms, Oryx is strong, so strong. Quria won't be able to protect its gates much longer.
The closest Quria's got to a simulation of Oryx is a best-guess bootstrap. It's wrong — Quria's sure of that, it's Oryx minus the symbiote organism, minus the wings and morphs, minus the weapon, minus the power. No good for anything.
Quria manifests that simulation anyway. Just to see what happens.
The Taken King marches on Quria's Hydra-hull, armed with blade and magic, cloaked in ancient cloth, and the universe wails in horror around him. Quria's physics models and toy worlds choke and crash.
Quria observes, alert and attentive, as a single quark splits on the tip of Oryx's sword.
From within the Hydra-hull, Quria's tiny not-Oryx speaks. "What are you?" it says. It's manifesting terror and awe.
Oryx's eyes blaze with a curiosity that is entirely isomorphic with hate, with voracious hunger. "Aurash," he says, in his Hive language. "You've made me as I was. You've made a tiny Aurash. Ha!"
Quria updates the simulation's name. Aurash is curious: "You're me? You're me as I become?"
Oryx kneels. His blade is on his left shoulder. Quria is firing every available weapon at him, but his wards don't break. He looks into Quria's sensors through the hammering fire and he says, "Child, I have everything you wanted. I am immortal. I know the great secrets of the universe. I have scouted the edges of the Darkness and I have chased the lying god down galactic arms in a howling pack of moons. In my fist I carry the secret power that will rule eternity. In my worm I bear the tribute of my Court and of my children, the Hope-Eater, the Weaver, and the Unraveler; and with this tribute I smash my foes. I am Oryx, the Taken King. I am almighty."
Quria samples the Taox intelligence retrieved from the Ecumene gate. There are useful names. It feeds them to the simulation.
"What about your sisters?" Aurash asks his future self. "Sathona? Xi Ro? Are they with you?"
The Taken King's fangs glint. That sound might be a laugh, or a hiss.
Quria shuts down its weapons and puts all its spare resources into sending telemetry to the greater Vex. There will be points in space and time where this data is vital. There will be great projects undertaken in the study of this ontological power, this throne-space.
"Where are my sisters?" Aurash shouts. "What have you done with my people? What have you done?"
But Oryx's fist is full of black fire, and the next thing Quria sees is a light like stars.
To speak of Atheon is to accept certain limitations. We are ill-equipped to understand an entity that defies simple causality. Let us accept these limitations and proceed.
Atheon waits in the Vault of Glass. Just as Atheon sidesteps 'past' and 'future', it is impossible to say whether Atheon created the Vault or the Vault created Atheon. Causal pathways converge on Atheon from every axis in the space-time bulk.
Atheon has a function. We hazard that it regulates and oversees the Vex conflux system. What are these confluxes? How do they relate to the physical Vex network that has devoured so much of Mercury and Venus?
We might guess that the Vex confluxes represent the extension of this network across space and time. Perhaps the Vex use closed timelike curves to solve unfathomable computations. Or the Vex may seek to transcend a physical substrate, and move their thoughts directly into the fundament of the universe.
If physics is a set of rules that the cosmos uses to calculate itself, perhaps the Vex seek to worm their way into these calculations: to become a law of reality, inseparable from existence. A virus in the system. Perhaps Atheon was the centerpiece of this project, a command nexus that unified efforts across time.
But we must accept that all of this is speculation.
I am Pujari. These are the visions I have had of the Black Garden.
The Traveler moved across the face of the iron world. It opened the earth and stitched shut the sky. It made life possible. In these things there is always symmetry. Do you understand? This is not the beginning but it is the reason.
The Garden grows in both directions. It grows into tomorrow and yesterday. The red flowers bloom forever.
There are gardeners now. They came into the garden in vessels of bronze and they move through the groves in rivers of thought.
This is the vision I had when I leapt from the Shores of Time and let myself sink:
I walked beneath the blossoms. The light came from ahead and the shadows of the flowers were words. They said things but I will not write them here.
At the end of the path grew a flower in the shape of a Ghost. I reached out to pluck it and it cut me with a thorn. I bled and the blood was Light.
The Ghost said to me: You are a dead thing made by a dead power in the shape of the dead. All you will ever do is kill. You do not belong here. This is a place of life.
The Traveler is life, I said. You are a creature of Darkness. You seek to deceive me.
But I looked behind me, down the long slope where the blossoms tumbled in the warm wind and the great trees wept sap like blood or wine, and I felt doubt.
When my Ghost raised me from the sea there was a thorn-cut in my left hand and it has not healed since.
To Commander Zavala - My Thoughts on Recent Events
Zavala -
How like you to ask me for the bad news, even in this moment of triumph. I've finished going over that Ghost's report.
It is my hypothesis - a hypothesis at best - that the Vex saw the abominable presence at the heart of the Garden as a divine power. I can hear your protest already: how can machines have a god?
The answer is simple. The Vex, for all their voracious intelligence, could not understand or decipher what they found. They searched through all available reactions, and they settled on the course with the greatest payoff...to worship this power, and to remake themselves in its image.
I believe the three Axis Minds found in proximity to the abomination were Vex machines built to serve as vessels for this power: a way to extend its reach across space and time, binding it to the Vex, and the Vex to it. If they had succeeded, I cannot begin to guess what horrors they would have unleashed.
Attend carefully. There is cause for hope. When endangered, the abomination activated these vessels and defended itself. This tells us that it was threatened. Whatever it was, Guardians could harm it.
And it activated only a single vessel at a time. Its strength was limited. Whatever it intended, it was not ready yet.
We must assume the abomination was part of something greater. And we cannot flinch from the terrible, obvious comparison: just as the Traveler acts through us, this power was able to act through its own servants.
Let us be wary. There may be other abominations, and other vessels.
Ikora
Stolen swords still bear my touch; with every kill, the tribute flows! Let the bloodshed run, and hasten my return!The Awakening of Crota was at hand.
Wow, the City just can not catch a break today huh.
Also, I have a couple questions that I cannot recall being answered earlier in the thread. First, is anyone else wondering with all the Red running around which one has Unit-00. Second, since Mari exists in this universe are we going to see any of the Rebuild Eva's like Unit-08 or the Mark 6?
Edit: just remembered a brief mention of Unit-05 in a flashback awhile ago, still want to know about the Mark 6 at the least.
Wow, the City just can not catch a break today huh.
Also, I have a couple questions that I cannot recall being answered earlier in the thread. First, is anyone else wondering with all the Red running around which one has Unit-00. Second, since Mari exists in this universe are we going to see any of the Rebuild Eva's like Unit-08 or the Mark 6?
Edit: just remembered a brief mention of Unit-05 in a flashback awhile ago, still want to know about the Mark 6 at the least.
We can probably rule out the ones allied with the City. Osiris showed us what he acts like when Eva pops up. If they had Unit-00 they would USE THAT SHIT.
If Unit-00 is still out there it's either with the Reef (somehow) or still lost in the wilderness of the Sol System
(The blue cyclops advanced in his place, holding a large canister. Ramming it down the gullet of a massive wyrm, the two vanished in nuclear fire. And thus did he scream.)
(As his scream of anguish faded, the massive wyrm emerged from the nuclear fire, scorched but alive. The blue cyclops did not. And thus did his screams became rage personified.)
I still laugh at Rose's "speech."
......come to think of it, who in the HELL could Eris have known to speak in emojis?
I think of Rose and I come up with Neo.
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BECAUSE THEY BOTH DON'T MAKE A FUCKING SOUND.
Rose has made not one. Single. Sound.
Neo gasped. Once. In the entire series.
Considering Neo is an adorable psychopath, I really want to see what Rose was like.
The only character I've EVER seen talk in emjois is Nobody Dies' Lily, also known as Lelliel. Who was frankly awesome.
But we already have a House of Lelliel shown as hostile so that can't be it.
Eris lowered her hood and removed her helmet as the others began to eat with earnest; even Dredgen Vale, who had only removed the mask around his mouth, was partaking with an oddly fervent hunger. She brushed aside the thin strands of her dark hair, and bit down over a single spoonful-
(The girl was a mute, who made up for her silence with rambunctious movements and glaring hair dyes. Yet every single day, she decided to bother her with inane offers of homemade pastries. Finally, just to get some peace, she took one of the mute girl's offering and bit down. It was...well, it was actually pretty good.)
The pale Hunter blinked at the force of the memory. That...had been unexpectedly powerful, and stark.
'^_^'
Yes, Rose. I do remember. If nothing else, Shinji Ikari was proving himself...useful. Useful was a suitable word. "This is quite good."