Pictured – Bakustra's idea of a white man:Ah, so it would be legal to kill Spider-man, as he is a spider, not a human being, just like how Killer Croc is a crocodile, not a human being.
Pictured – Bakustra's idea of a white man:
Pictured – Bakustra's idea of a black man:
No, because neither Miles Morales nor Peter Parker are spider-people. They are humans – a black kid and a white guy, respectively.Since Spider-man is white, he is still human despite having animal aesthetics. Unlike Killer Croc, who is a literal subhuman. Miles Morales better watch out.
If it's going to an ugly place, it's because Bakustra is bizarrely determined to – rather than claiming the moral high ground – shove everyone else onto the low ground. Unfortunately, he has no leverage, so he's just slipping all over the place and making himself look like an asshole.I think everyone would be better served by dropping this argument before it goes to an ugly place.
No, because neither Miles Morales nor Peter Parker are spider-people. They are humans – a black kid and a white guy, respectively.
If Peter Parker or Miles Morales looked like this:
Then yes, I would absolutely agree that they're not really human or intended to be perceived as such, and claiming the latter as an example of black representation would be both absurd and obscene. Similarly, Deadshot is clearly a black guy. Killer Croc is a fucking crocodile-man, right down to the reptilian markings.
If it's going to an ugly place, it's because Bakustra is bizarrely determined to – rather than claiming the moral high ground – shove everyone else onto the low ground. Unfortunately, he has no leverage, so he's just slipping all over the place and making himself look like an asshole.
If it's going to an ugly place, it's because Bakustra is bizarrely determined to – rather than claiming the moral high ground – shove everyone else onto the low ground. Unfortunately, he has no leverage, so he's just slipping all over the place and making himself look like an asshole.
Yeah, absolutely! But either way, you don't get to point at that 99% of people and say "oh those goddamn racists, #BLM" because that's not a black person it's a fucking spider monster. It can be a tragic, sympathetic spider-monster, it can be a spider-monster with a heart of gold, but it's still a spider-monster, and you can't expect people in the setting – or audiences, for that matter – to respond to it as anything else.Mind you, if Miles looked like that and we had him quipping and saving people, with him having a bit of inner monologue about how both the jokes and the heroism kept him grounded when 99 percent of people that saw him screamed and ran and the remaining 1% opened fire, we'd have a goddamned tragedy.
"Animal aesthetics" would be a green t-shirt with a crocodile logo, or a crocodile tattoo, or a crocodile mask.I don't think I have to claim the moral high ground against "animal aesthetics mean you're not human", dogg.
"It doesn't matter who started it, blah blah blah"I don't really care who's driving the bus over the cliff, but if you don't open the emergency exit and bail out then you aren't much smarter than he is.
Don't try and retroactively move the goalposts, man. All it takes is clicking back three pages to see exactly what your original point was:Killer Croc in this movie isn't even a crocodile man, but the broader point is that defining personhood on the base of appearance is morally wrong.
Killer Croc, for example, is a guy who if he was white would be Crocodile-Man or the Alligator Avenger, but because he's black is treated as a subhuman monster and cannibal- so he acts within those bounds without letting them cage him mentally ("I am beautiful").
Yea, I think of the Killer Croc From the Arkham games, who's between 8 and 11 feet tall depending on the game. He needs to tower over everyone else.With all this talk of Killer Croc I feel the need to point out that while they did a good job making him look like a crocodile man, they failed to find someone sufficiently bulky or do proper practical effects to make him larger. It was fine for the first half of the movie when he wasn't shown in comparison to anyone else and was fully clothed, but once he stripped down he was just a regular sized dude. That is not what I think of when I think of Killer Croc.
Don't try and retroactively move the goalposts, man. All it takes is clicking back three pages to see exactly what your original point was:
So I just realized something that bugs me from all the spoilers being dropped here:
Are you telling me only one of the Suicide Squad actually died? And before the mission at that?
Nnnno, Killer Croc is black in the comics. He may well have started out white – I don't recall any pre-green images of him from his original debut, where he was a shadowy crimelord using deadly hit-tactics to claw his way up to the top – but these days he's black. I think Brian Azarello started it – certainly, the Killer Croc that appears in Joker is very clearly African American, with just sharp teeth and rough skin to mark him out as different. This one follows the trend, and has a black actor.What's really funny is that Killer Croc in the comics is in fact white (well as much as a man - reptile can be considered white), and at no point in the movie do they indicate this is not the case in the movie. Other than one joke about him wanting to watch BET. So all this is based on the idea that only black people watch BET.
That might be the case, but I know at least on the cartoon he implied to be of Italian decent, and they did have a black Catwoman after Eartha Kitt, but nobody liked that movie.Nnnno, Killer Croc is black in the comics. He may well have started out white – I don't recall any pre-green images of him from his original debut, where he was a shadowy crimelord using deadly hit-tactics to claw his way up to the top – but these days he's black. I think Brian Azarello started it – certainly, the Killer Croc that appears in Joker is very clearly African American, with just sharp teeth and rough skin to mark him out as different. This one follows the trend, and has a black actor.
I do believe Croc was originally white, but it's one of the few race-changes that no-one's noticed or really cared about, because at the end of the day he's still a fucking crocodile man. It's the weakest possible addition of diversity to the Batman cast – who shall we make black? Oh, the big green crocodile man? Yeah, that makes sense. I'd rather they made Catwoman black, honestly, to match Eartha Kitt.
Yeah, absolutely! But either way, you don't get to point at that 99% of people and say "oh those goddamn racists, #BLM" because that's not a black person it's a fucking spider monster. It can be a tragic, sympathetic spider-monster, it can be a spider-monster with a heart of gold, but it's still a spider-monster, and you can't expect people in the setting – or audiences, for that matter – to respond to it as anything else.
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We are, though, supposed to remain on Parkers side when this happens to him