Congregation of Despair (Mafia - Second Attempt)

I'll admit, if I get lynched for honestly claiming the role name provided right there in my role card, when I had 6~ or so examples right there to work with, for breaking a pattern that I could easily have identified when planning a fake claim if we assume I am fake claiming scum, my opinion of town's overall intelligence is gonna plummet.

I guess. I don't know. I'm frustrated about my play this game and tired and I saw a difference and decided to note it. SIgh, whatever.
 
I think I'm probably going to disconnect from the game for today, at this point I feel like I'm spinning my wheels. I should maybe look at Dovah but to be honest at this point I really can't get motivated to go through ~60 posts and try to reason out what's suspicious and what isn't. I saw some other things about Terra that kind of made me raise my eyebrows but like... I'm not motivated to get in an argument about them. It's frustrating given how motivated I was at the beginning of the day, but realizing that we still have the recruiter out there killed some of that in me, and just feeling like I keep hitting walls is draining the rest. I don't even know.
 
Why can't Terra be the SK? I'm not sure that SK-Roleblocker is that much more out there than Tracker or Watcher-roleblocker.
If I was SK Roleblocker I would have blocked Nani and killed QT or possibly vice versa. Or blocked Oshha killed Nani or vice versa.

The primary reason to not attack in the pool of Nani/QT/Oshha for an SK is the knowledge that there is two in that set that can stop/catch you that are likely to target in that set.

As a Roleblocker that is also an SK, I could eliminate risk most efficiently by blocking one and killing another, and tear through the roles that are able to stop me or catch me.

I wouldn't want a repeat of Mesozoic, after all.

Nani!SK would have to worry about being tracked, and QT!SK would have to worry about being redirected from Nani or watched killing Ossha.

I would have less concerns and strong incentives to prune those powers.
 
I personally highly doubt that Terrabrand would be the Serial Killer in addition to the Roleblocker, I just don't see the use in it.
 
I may be able to clarify that.

See, I slept on it and have cooled off, but while I was distracted from this by being mad over Nictis play...

The very thing that was enraging me is also scummy, not just frustrating.

Rather than focusing his case on the things he did mention like me 'fishing for claims', which is indeed probably sub-optimal as town and could be blatantly culty, he kept trying to play it like I was going hard against Nani even after I repeatedly clarified that, you know, I was overtrusting power claims and trying to compensate.

This could easily be scum!Nictis trying to power through a lynch by baffling with bullshit, possibly legit thinking I'm Other!Scum and hoping for town cred, possibly hoping to eliminate a problematic role.

And, indeed, if he is scum, it may be his motive for shutting down claim fishing is not feeling like he has a solid enough one yet.

I could see Cult!Nictis or SK!Nictis, though leaning SK, but regardless, this, upon calmer consideration, is my strongest scum read. (Part of why I'm leaning SK is that if he is SK and susceptible to my roleblock, he would want the chance of me catching him on that basis eliminated as possible, regardless of whether he thinks I am town or cult)

So.

[x] Lynch Nictis
I, uh. I don't see how him focusing on something easily dismissed is a good more as town *or* scum. You're doing the same thing you accused him of now.
 
Like. Let's look at Terra!SK's perspective replacing into Night 2.

  • I am either cult proof or being culted makes me winning easier. Cult is not a priority for me.
  • Absum has just claimed Vanilla and been lynched.
  • Veteran Nanimani has claimed Watcher.
  • Veteran QTesseract has claimed Tracker.
  • Oshha is a anti cult protective principally.
  • My slot is unclaimed.
  • Vigging the replacement player would be a real dick move.
So. I am an unopposed killing source. I can block the protective, and kill one of two known roles that can catch me which is also a veteran. Block Oshha, kill Nani, claim Vanilla if pressed, make it through the day, block Oshha, kill Q, block whoever I suspect is vig, kill Oshha.

I'm not really seeing any disadvantages for SK!Roleblocker!Terra to taking that course win the info entering n2 he would have had over referencing roleblocking Dovah, killing a lurker, and openly claiming roleblocker later?

The only reason to claim roleblocker as SK in such a case is fear of invests, but we have both a tracker and watcher in the open in a apparently not power madness game of a size that doesn't justify doubling up unless perhaps power madness.
 
At this point, I honestly believe that at leas one of, and probably two of Nictis/BB/1kbestk is scum. I have claims out of Terrabrand that tentatively convince me they didn't start out scum, and there is admittedly only one night they could have been culted on, so I'm hesitantly going to assume it's not them despite them having been formerly in this list. 1kbestK I can switch back to, but honestly the pressure doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

[x] Lynch Nictis

@Nictis it's time for you to claim.
 
Dovah did claim that I was cult immune when I didn't make that claim and in fact said that I was still vulnerable to being culted if directly targeted. It might just be him exaggerating again, but it is incorrect statement that they made.
You're absolutely right, I did. Because it's a stronger claim that would protect a very vulnerable and dangerous Town role from being targeted, and frankly what you should've claimed originally.

But anyway.

Should (?) have time to respond to things now, will try to be doing so.
 
Yeah, Nictis is... I dunno. Him and BB feel town to me, but my reads ain't hot.
I'm open to switching on a real good argument. Other than that, I'm probably gonna end up on Dovah or 1K.
 
Honestly it seems fairer to post this in thread; I apologize for AlphaDelta because I get this is a nasty spot to replace into in some ways, if I'm just not modkilled, but honestly my brain just keeps alternating between desperately not being motivated to do much in this game and getting incredibly stressed and obsessed with what's going on in this game, which is not a good combination for optimal play or remotely healthy. I've been thinking about it and I got my second wind which made me think that maybe I could handle this, but mentally I just can't. I'm really sorry, and I know that this isn't a great note to end my mafia stuff short-term on (since I'm definitely not joining another game after this until I'm doing better), but I just can't function right in this game anymore and really need to exit it. I'm sorry.
 
Just saying, but Dovah and 1K get massive sus from me for trying this shit right at the end.
... Yeah, I know. I'm going to get back to this later, because I definitely remember wanting to discuss my EoD yesterday for ... some reason.
Cult probably isn't neutralized, but losing what is probably the cult leader has to hurt; I don't buy someone culting DG, so they're almost certainly starting cult or we have a newbie starter cult and they were the n1 pick. We have up to 2 extra people culted, and either 0 or 1 starting cultists; I'm leaning probably 2 total, and mafia probably also starts with 2, so there should be 5 ish humans left.
This is probably NAI, but this "5ish humans left" is bothering me, because any non-cult scum could easily be human.
It could be, sans crossfire, I think.

QTesseract: Guarenteed Town
Oshha: Probable Town
Nanimani: Lean Town
Dovah: Lean Town
Happerry: Neutral Read
Nictis: lean Scum (Mafia)
BB: Lean Scum (Cult)
1kBestK: Probable Scum


Terrabrand: No read, highly possible that they're culted last night


[X] Lynch 1kBestK
Not useful to comment on; quoted for completeness. We'll abbreviate this QFC because in past mass quotes I've had to do this a lot.
To clarify what I think is the point of confusion here @Broken Base I believe you to be the/a teal killer and by evidence of, among other points, the teal kill not being town red or the vampire purple, teal is probably an SK or maf.

I'm gonna go back and try to dig up claims to compile a list and see where things stand though.
I have to say, this has been pointed out, but this is total gibberish. You're scum because scum exist. It's ... yeah.
Phoneposting with a lot to catch up on. So... Probably messy with the quotes. I know I accidentally deleted one that might have been important.


... But that's too obvious though? What kind of Serial Killer would openly say that they suspect the people they're killing when they know they can't claim Vigilante?
Agreed. BB/AD are essentially off my SK shortlist.
Mmm, no. I think we actually had this issue fairly recently where I had to explain that the most blatantly scummy thing to do is not claim blocked because it forces a claim and makes you an obvious suspect so scum always opens up with it for easy credit.
I'm going to agree with this. I'd like to think I'm at least competent enough I would have admitted RB'd no matter my alignment.
Also this. I don't recall Dovah ever claiming to have been blocked?

Piss off, I said I was at work. I had half a minute to load up the thread and less to read. There were three pages to read through when I opened it originally and I only got time to read after the Day had ended.
I did already apologize, but it's worth repeating. I'm a bit used to you making a point of being around for EoD.
He knew that Oshha targeted me but thought I targeted me. QTesseract is definite Town unless if Oshha was lying about their Vampire immunity.

Proven Watcher. They shared QT's visit before it was explained.
Welllll, bah. Alright. Nani and QT mostly clear then.
... "They're a Watcher, but also the Serial Killer."

... When was this again? No, really. When was I the center of attention such that I would have been expected to claim? I'm not even sure I got a single vote Day 2. So what did I "Get Free" from?[/quote)
You were the center of Night actions, but admittedly never were required to claim.
[quote)
I'll be honest, you just shot my townread of you in the heart here.

Who was it that excluded DG from the Veteran list during that again?

Cooldown/Oshha Interference.

No, bad. Scum is trying to narrow down who the vig is and if they're still a threat.
And I'm already out of time. Frustrating. OK, probably not going to be able to address everything that came up during the Day, then.
I mean I don't think we should mindlessly trust Nani- he himself admited he'd be a decent choice for Cult N2, as would Oshha (I think he claimed lightning rod? Even if he wouldn't be considered as valuable an asset it's a nasty power cult would want to be rid of). Q still seems like himself (I say as he's the one pushing hardest against me xP) but honestly I wouldn't mind seeing action results if they wouldn't reveal anything we don't want revealed; a lot of their innocence is going to be contingent on PR consistency and their actions making sense, after all. I don't really see any of them as an SK though- I could maybe see utility in giving the SK tracker abilities, but it's a bit of a stretch, and watcher feels right out. Ossha's role feels like something too creative for a newbie to fake, but to be fair he could have potentially receievd coaching. It seems like a weird time to make the claim too, though. Out of the PRs he's the one I trust the most, but again, could be recruited.

If it's not an SK but a mafia (this seems slightly scum-sided but it does depend on how many cultists we're dealing with) then I could definitely see a scum tracker, even if there are better powers. Scum watcher I'm much more hesitant about on a team of... 2 probably? Feels like there's better things for Maf to have.

Like if I were to rank them

1. Nani
2. Q
3. Ossha

You can't be too paranoid in a cult game after all! xP

But I think there's other avenues we can explore for the moment, even if we definitely shouldn't be counting them out.
Well, thanks for the reminder. I was all set to go forward with a neat little Town core.

...

Cult games are annoying.

Alright, I know Nani said something I had to respond to, so going to track that down now.
Well, day's ended so I can't post this, but let's at least start this up.

I mean, yeah. It's actually claiming unprompted to try and push on someone that is beyond what I'd go as scum. Just being around is fine.

"I'm suspicious of the proven Tracker because his role got messed with due to someone else's role"
Like, you can be suspicious of him for posts (Though I'm not, currently), but for his tracking report?
I'm suspicious because what Tracker visits the person their target does instead of their target?
[quote)
"I am the only real Town here. Only I care about lynching the right person."[/quote]
I mean, yeah. How am I supposed to approach the game. Let me alter this--

I am the only KNOWN Town here. Other people don't seem to care about this lynch, so only I care about not lynching these two RIGHT NOW.

This was me trying to point out that viewing me as the most sus is just odd. Voting me if you think me sus is so obvious that I have to ask why you acting like that is what I was questioning.
No. It was legitimate when I thought you cult yesterDay. You may be now, but you weren't yesterday, and I'm good with that.
"Here, let's change the vote in two minutes where there's no more time to even argue!"
???

What do you not get about me not following the thread, reading it, seeing two wagons I didm't understand and trying to fix them?
Side note:

He was reading? Yup. 29 minutes ago, when that post was 27 minutes ago. A bit odd he never responded.
If that's visible I have no clue how to find that.
Meanwhile...

Hum. No reason given, huh?

And again.

Starting to? These are your three posts in that time period.

Irrelevant, just posting it so I'm not leaving anything out past the first post I quoted.


Also irrelevant, just doing the smart thing and making an effort not to tie it.



Anyways, I may need to readjust after DG showed as vamp. For now, Ossha wasn't visited in the night, so they're still safe.
QFC.
And I'm not roleclaiming, that's a terrible fucking idea.
Saw this. I'll leave it at this but ... what? Since when is it flatly always a bad idea?

Will try to finish going through the thread when I can.
 
...

Yeah, okay. I'm shaky enough on my reads that until we get something more satisfactory, my vote is going...

[X] Null

[X] Lynch Dovah


Here. That's really not good enough, and whether you're town right now or not, you keep coasting, not giving very much content, and we think there's a cult around so while I'm not getting Cult Vibes in specific you're now too damn obvious a candidate for culting who we then have too damn little on to notice any change.

It's basically a time bomb, waiting to go off even if you are town. And while I get being busy, my read on you is sinking regardless.

Barring a claim or something that turns this on its head, or you managing to produce better content, I'm gonna have to stick to this.
 
At this point, I honestly believe that at leas one of, and probably two of Nictis/BB/1kbestk is scum. I have claims out of Terrabrand that tentatively convince me they didn't start out scum, and there is admittedly only one night they could have been culted on, so I'm hesitantly going to assume it's not them despite them having been formerly in this list. 1kbestK I can switch back to, but honestly the pressure doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

[x] Lynch Nictis

@Nictis it's time for you to claim.
Okay, so. To explain something briefly before I ask you to confirm this, 1KBestK, Me, Terrabrand, Broken Base, and Happerry are all the people who have not had claims if I'm remembering this right.

1K has claimed Vanilla.
Terrabrand has claimed Roleblocker.
Broken Base has claimed Vanilla.
Happerry has claimed Vanilla.

Take a look at the roles that we are still aware of and ask what it is that we are missing. Are you sure that you want me to claim here, and why if so? @QTesseract
I did already apologize, but it's worth repeating. I'm a bit used to you making a point of being around for EoD.
End of Day is usually when I need to be getting sleep for work, not usually when I'm actually at work. :p
If that's visible I have no clue how to find that.
You can click on a users picture to see the last thread they were viewing or go to activity to see their last actual action (Post/Like). Some people have it setup so that you can't see that and can only see when they were online, some have it setup so you don't even know if they're online and can only guess by the "Users who are viewing this Thread" numbers and previous habits. I mostly just use it to try and prod people who are actually available rather than people who are probably asleep. Haven't done much of that lately though...
 
I'm probably going to sleep soon, but since I can see that QT is online I'll try to check the thread before I actually drift off to see if I have anything to respond to.
 
Okay, so. To explain something briefly before I ask you to confirm this, 1KBestK, Me, Terrabrand, Broken Base, and Happerry are all the people who have not had claims if I'm remembering this right.

1K has claimed Vanilla.
Terrabrand has claimed Roleblocker.
Broken Base has claimed Vanilla.
Happerry has claimed Vanilla.

Take a look at the roles that we are still aware of and ask what it is that we are missing. Are you sure that you want me to claim here, and why if so? @QTesseract

End of Day is usually when I need to be getting sleep for work, not usually when I'm actually at work. :p

You can click on a users picture to see the last thread they were viewing or go to activity to see their last actual action (Post/Like). Some people have it setup so that you can't see that and can only see when they were online, some have it setup so you don't even know if they're online and can only guess by the "Users who are viewing this Thread" numbers and previous habits. I mostly just use it to try and prod people who are actually available rather than people who are probably asleep. Haven't done much of that lately though...
No, I'm not sure, but we have a protective role and a pseudo protective role. I'm still nervous about forcing the vig to claim even with that, yes, but not nearly as worried as I am about scum continuing to scate by without claims.
 
figuring out some stuff before responding, apparently Dovah has never roleclaimed and for some reason my mind keeps thinking he did. It's odd.
 
1kBestK: Probable Scum
Not Tracked.
QTesseract: Guarenteed Town
Oshha: Probable Town
Nanimani: Lean Town
Dovah: Lean Town
Happerry: Neutral Read
Nictis: lean Scum (Mafia)
BB: Lean Scum (Cult)
1kBestK: Probable Scum





10. @Terrabrand
Me. Very important power role and/or vanilla and/or paranoid gun owner, let's go scum. But in seriousnesss I haven't settled whether I should claim or not so obviously I'm leaving this at 'no claim' for now.

11. @DimensionalGuy has had their [Heart Stabbed and Throat Slit] Night 2, They were Laine, Queen of Xalistra, a Vampire
The Queen. Marked as a Vampire. This implies royalty isn't automatically town.


If you wish a claim, a claim I will provide. I am Varkistad the Guild-master, whom has money. Sadly, money isn't of use right now, so I have no special abilities at all beyond my ability to vote. In other words, I'm Vanilla.

I'm the roleblocker. I'm one Court Musician Degrelis of the Lute. I'm a d&d esque magic bard by flavor, I put out a magical lullaby at night.

but if you're going to claim we might as well do a mass-claim at tihs point. I'm Lyrus, Head Servant. I keep an eye and make sure all the servants are doing their job correctly, a position I earned from years of faithful service. However, this new vavmpire plague is completely out of my depth essentially, I'm used to being the one in control, and not the one without any whatsoever. In the current situation I have no true advantages outside my brains and my vote. Or, in other words, Vanilla Town.

I tracked someone who hadn't claimed at say start, so I'm looking to save this to see if they're willing to lie about their action or not.


QTesseract: Guarenteed Town
Oshha: Probable Town
Nanimani: Lean Town

Dovah: Lean Town
Happerry: Neutral Read
Nictis: lean Scum (Mafia)
BB: Lean Scum (Cult)
1kBestK: Probable Scum
1K- Roleblocked
Dovah- Roleblocked
Nani/Oshha- Known Roles not for tracking.

The only people not to have claimed before this was me and Dovah. Dovah was probably not tracked because QT knew that they were roleblocked beforehand and so wouldn't be the Teal Killer unless if they are searching for a mafia instead of a Serial Killer. Suspecting me is prudent because I would have been a perfect Culting target Night Two with all the attention on QT/Nani/Oshha and the Watcher and Protective being obviously preoccupied, it's kinda odd that nobody has brought that up as reasoning why I might be scum? Probably just my own paranoia acting up.

I'm not sure what their goal is here if they are Town. They investigated either me or Dovah, but their results really should speak for themselves since they expect one of us to lie about what we've done? Maybe I should test by having them say what my action was since it's obvious that they tracked me, find out if the Cult keeps its powers or not.

(What actions could they observe here though? Maybe they're checking to see if the Vig denies shooting Cult because Cult survived and got them? Hang on... Watcher, Tracker, Protective all known and ignored. Roleblocker is known and not the one that was investigated, other than that there's the Vigilante who seems to have not taken an action, the Cult who would have been out Culting and a non-obvious visit at this point should have been called out, or the SK who was very obviously visiting Dimensional Guy. Other than that we've got Vanillas that QT hasn't bothered to call out on bullshit so...)

Non-Obvious action-> Cult
Visiting Dimensional Guy-> Serial Killer
No Action-> Vigilante or Vanilla Town, or potentially Cult but that's honestly unrelated.

Hmm. Apparently SV is still cutting out quotes that I grab. I really should figure out if it's because of a cap or not...
 
Well, I guess my notes are out in the public now. Might as well act on them.

[] Lynch QTesseract

I don't see how this was supposed to work out in any way except for revealing the vigilante. Any information you had received you should have been able to act on anyways, so what was the plan here?

(Not actually voting because I'm a lot less sure of this than I'd like to be, and mostly just trying to figure this one out)
 
Take a look at the roles that we are still aware of and ask what it is that we are missing. Are you sure that you want me to claim here, and why if so? @QTesseract

Nictis. You flat out said you thought I was the vig.

We all knew you weren't.

Swarmingu/Terrabrand: As far as introductions go, him encouraging needless reveals and setting up a "Nani is the SK" narrative with Dovah is not a great one, and most of the slack I would have given him was because I thought that Swarming was the Vigilante... And very well could have been the Vigilante but has gotten culted since. Scum read.

Like. You're lying if you're trying to claim 'could be vig', and transparently so.

What you could be is the serial killer. What you cannot be is the vig, unless you're lying about your town read on me of the time, in which case why were you lying as town?
 
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