CHESS MAFIA
- Thread starter Terrabrand
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Nictis
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Fair enough on that
There's basically nothing to go on now. You accuse them of being Mafia, citing that they decided to deflect onto Cyricubed. There's nothing to really work off of here, I want your thoughtprocess on who to shoot and why you decided to shoot instead of holding back, and then I'm going to want Rosen's process on why deflect to Cyricubed and what other actions they might have been considering there.
Outside of that, things are kinda dead on that front. You revealed that you are the Queen and tried to kill Rosen, which just flatout prevents Rosen from making any lies about his role (If he ended up claiming Pawn later for example) or having much room to try and make his own pushes and suggestions. And if you were so certain that Rosen was Scum... You could've held back and just shot him again tonight?
Mostly annoyed by how I'm going to be seeing this kill the Day.
Nictis
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CTRosen
Rock Man
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- Northwest PA
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My Copy-Paste response, telling both of them to take their votes off.
Nictis
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BTW, as a general rule this is the opposite of my usual advice. Lynch scum because lynching works.
But you decided to reveal as the every-night Vig when you had the option of just repeating your first night in order to call out someone that might not even be scum.
Nictis
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Ahh, Copy Paste was my initial thought, but I didn't see what it would've connected to.
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- Cincinnati, OH
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Okay, I had nothing happen to me during the night for the record. I'm also just uh not sure right now with between Logos and Rosen, considering that is, like before anything else, it just explicitly is how the turn opens up?
CTRosen
Rock Man
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- Northwest PA
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This exactly why I'm so irritated about it, we *really* didn't need two role reveals right at SoD
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- Florida
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- He/Him
Agreed, QT feels opportunistic here.
Eh, the double outing is annoying since Logos will be perma roleblocked or killed and Rosen is revealed with no defensive capabilities left but it won't kill the day.
I feel fairly certain that neither one is voted off today and Rosen has trended up today for me due to some reasons that are percolating around. It narrows our focus today slightly but will not kill discussion since this was far from a confirmed claimed guilty.
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- Cincinnati, OH
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Like to be a bit more exact (since it makes sense just to be clear with my thoughts in Mafia from what I recall), it's kind of like a, 'ah yes, lets open the thread and... what the fuck just happened' and is something like, sharply different from the last time I played a mafia game.
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Not mostly about deflection to cyri, it's deflection from -Rosen, although considering my take on them from day 1 that didn't help either. A knight's deflection is one of their most powerful tools later game for punishing scum by playing mindgames with their ability to target the knight. A townie spending it on themselves night 1 muddles the waters and uses their charge and their night action slot for little value to town. However, using deflection in that way is of comparatively little value to scum in that role, as they know where most of the night kills are coming from and may have coordination abilities to eg heal or bodyguard. For them, it's an investigation blocker, which one someone as likely to be N1 targeted by a tracker or watcher or cop as -Rosen is absolutely critical utility. Looking at the results, town didn't benefit and doesn't really have a plausible method of benefiting it at this stage.
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- Academy City
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I'm going to be honest this doesn't change my vote. You being a knight and deflecting to cyriccubed were stuff I already knew, so I'm hardly going to update on it, and as for the other bit... this isn't falsifiable. This claim of reasoning is not the only one consistant with the results, and if offers no way of distinguishing scum!rosen from town!rosen. I'm not scumreading you more from it or anything but this isn't enough to get me to change my vote.
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Wouldn't those same said tracking/watching abilities have similarly been deflected, providing usable results for people attempting to target -Rosen plus the deflection target? Does that really significantly muddy things at this point?
And did you figure that -Rosen was a particularly unlikely scum kill target, meaning that this deflection is most likely an attempt to deflect investigative and town-sided kill abilities? If so, does that really imply that -Rosen is more likely to be scum?
Approached from the perspective of attempting to predict the scum team's picks, I'd rate the knights as among the most attractive to take, making any confirmed knight automatically more suspicious than a non-knight piece.
Prior to that, my suspicion was on -Rosen because of going from
to
... which, re-reading that first post, comes off as much less firmly in favor of a day 1 lynch than I remember. There's also the hardclaim of a white pawn from the start of the game that is now pretty clearly false and more likely memeing than taking refuge in audacity.
Perhaps I should have held back and gone with my first response to things instead of second guessing myself, but at least this way things are out there.
CTRosen
Rock Man
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- Northwest PA
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- He/Him
[x] Vote QTesseract
Another poor response from him makes this a pretty easy route to take. You're looking at this course of action from a purely mechanical standpoint without actually considering the headspace for it. Obviously reading the situation from a results-oriented standpoint isn't going to change anything, but it feels like you (purposefully) aren't really considering anything outside of that.
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- Academy City
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Mechanics don't lie, while you have a proven history of spinning convincing bullshit. This isn't shade against you as a player - it's not bad strategy - but it means that when you make plays that hurt town and try to play them off as coming from a town headspace, I'm not going to buy them. Vote me if you want but my focus isn't changing.
CTRosen
Rock Man
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- Northwest PA
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A play like this isn't definitively anti-Town though, is it? It only hurts Town here because of the result it produced, not because the action itself is bad. If I thought it was a bad action I wouldn't have done it, I'm not stupid.
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Nothing happened to me last night.
I think -Rosen and Logos are being honest about their claims. Which is frustrating (to have two power roles revealed at the top of Day 2) but it is what it is.
I think -Rosen and Logos are being honest about their claims. Which is frustrating (to have two power roles revealed at the top of Day 2) but it is what it is.
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I mean, as scum that's your goal? Like "I wouldn't do it because it's anti-town and I want town to succeed" only works as an argument if I actually think you are town. Which I do not. And if I could be persuaded that you didn't do it, when you have admitted to it.
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- Florida
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- He/Him
I mean, you're ignoring the fact that Rosen was a high priority kill target. And no, I'm not just saying that due to Logos trying to kill him.
Nictis, Shalmoa, and myself were basically in a prime position to be protected so lets look at the strongest remaining players. You, Cyri, Rosen, Comi, Meso. You, Comi, and Meso didn't particuraly gain anything that could be majorly spun as town credit while Cyri and Rosen at least had an edge on that front.
So I would say that the two of them would be the prime doc dodge targets in my mind so using the deflect N1 is something I view as a realistic approach here from a town Rosen. Where I have already stated that while I found Cyri's EOD towny overall it was one open to interpretation where I could see Rosen's view of it, so his target makes sense as well. His target and reasoning both are ones that have a realistic reason to them so I disagree with your reasoning here.
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Er, what do you mean by a doc dodge? Like, using a dodge as a self doctor?
CTRosen
Rock Man
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- Northwest PA
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- He/Him
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- Florida
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- He/Him
Hitting good players that are in at least an okay position thread wise to reduce your chances of getting your kill stopped or intercepted by clearing the most townread people to guarantee a specific level of value.
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Oh, a doc dodge from scum, not from rosen. That makes more sense, thank you.
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- US
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- He/Him
I don't really think it is anti-town though? I mean I probably would have saved the deflection but I'm not Rosen and I don't have the same target on my back. Knights are super useful, so are experienced players. Saving someone you know is both is pretty sensible. The only thing that gives me qualms is the choice of Cyricubed as the one deflected to. But they weren't above suspicion, even though they wouldn't be my first choice.