... Its jumpchain canon.
If you dont provide basic protections then the only thing protecting mc is plot armor. Otherwise plenty of gods would immediately enslave mc and there is nothing he could do about it, that does not make for a very interesting story so basic protections that disallow tampering with mcs main power is a basic requirement for worlds with gods who interfere with things.
Yes authors can author fiat anything but in the end if basic logic is not followed then plot holes follow. If random gods can mess with perk giving mehcnaics then why is mc not enslaved or dead yet, both the worlds of this crossover have beings who are greedy and could precog mc and would want to get his power for themselves or at least enslave him.
No, it uses the description from jumpchains, but it doesn't use the same rules at all.
Sure there is, every universe has their own rules, for example the the gods in the PJO series can't go against fate and the rule of reality prevent then from doing what you suggest. It's not plot Armour if that is in universe thing.
Sure it does, if for example the character roles a perk that Noone can interfere with their workshop, than they could just sit inside the workshop and spam armies, and the gods can't do anything in turn.
Perks without jumpchain rules backing them are not perks. Speaking as one of the main creators of both v2 and v3 forge I can say flat out as it it's intended to be used with the same basic rules.
Plenty of things can go against fate and gods can act within their own domains, which means plenty of gods and strong beings are still around which would be greedy for mcs power and absolutely be able to do things about it.
Author can simply reroll if he does not want such a perk, it does not solve every problem either way. If he does not go out of the WH then his point gain will eventually stall out forcing him to go out.
Percy Jackson jumpdoc has plenty of perks and drawbacks that effect fates flat out which already proves perks are beyond the fates. In terms of power scales fates are at most local multiverse level which is impressive but its still noting compared to omniverse levels of power that is backing perks.
Even titans are low teir gods compared to perks seeing as drawbacks can effect them.
Your intent doesn't matter. Put that in the document if you want then to be canon rules.
Yes, one of the main themes of the Percy jackson books is trying to escape fate and failing.
So ignoring a power because it ruins the story is a good design choice to you. You clearly see why it would a problem.
That's my point that is too strong, it actively makes the story worse.
You yourself are acknowledging that they break the story. Why even include them if they make for bad stories.
All forge versions have OP powers, that was their point, to be the best collection of crafting perks, the reason its so high power is so it can fit all multiverses for power scaling, its a feature. If authors want to use it lower teir universe then obviously they have to exclude or delay perks that would break the story.
Or the author can pick and choose what they want to use and change. Just because it's in the docs doesn't mean it's law. The docs are at most guidelines and should be used to help and guide the story making process not hinder it.
Thats a major issue as if nothing in WoD can resist fate, including mc then the genre of the story really changes, it goes from an adventure to a puppet playing to some gods tune.
Indeed or authors can prepick the perks they want to give, its up to them.
No, they just nerf the perks and continue with their story.
No i have read the entire document of the forge multiple time, it makes no mention of the jumchain being canon. The perks may have originated in the jumps, but the entire framework of the forge is completely different from a jumpchain, I see no reason to use their rules.
Read the v1. The v2 and v3 are version updates but they dont follow entirely different rules than the v1.
That would be the worse option yes. You can always nerf perks but if you do that you shatter the entire foundations of the forge.
BBCFs forge is up in the air the author has hinted that its actually a jumper or something like that, he has made it a mystery. That CF is clearly enough to beat scion seeing as his fiat effect all seem to work even overruling the space whale. For example his magic, for example his fiat multipliers etc. They all go directly again rules of reality that even space whales cant break and then preak them. He doesn't really need Taylor. If he had the full forge he could win pretty quickly without any help. Its just that he does not have the full forge and the author has au inserted a shard magic equivalency for mcs benefit.
I have said that I have read them all. It doesn't say it anywhere. If you have some actually line that you think supports you, instead of telling me go read the document, just quote it.
Is the core premise worth following to the letter if it actively makes the story worse. Because I don't think that it is.
A bunch of writers writing similar rules doesn't make anything canon. The only thing canon is in the doc and everything else is head canon at best.
There's a reason that the Fates can 'interfere' with the perks. The fact is that the Fates draw their power from the exact same source as the forge, in a meta sense. The Fates are plot devices and ensure the telling of stories both in and out of what I'm writing. The forge is the same in this because the forge is backed by the ROB in this case me. Other Gods won't be able to interfere with the forge though, they simply don't have the power to. This is mostly just the same level as the way Wilson functions in SOTSOG so don't get too worried about it.
Plus it's most likely The Fates aren't going to intervene much after this, since even if they are at the same level as this version of The Forge, they still have their own restrictions they have to follow as well, since they are as bound by the Concepts of Fate and Destiny as every other Divine Being. If anything, The Forge is probably a Loophole that the sisters can exploit to make things go better for the Gods and their children, as only indirect interventions are probably allowed.
What are you talking about? Joe and his shard? His power is never shown to be shard. The author of BBCF explicitly left it a mystery.
' Spells are fun and all, but there's nothing quite like the full feeling of wielding a physical weapon or to be clad in armor that looks as good as it performs. Or what about making upgrades to those vehicles or mechs that you love, ensuring they stay relevant along your journey? There's so many different things that can be done to ensure your gear keeps up. As such, we're going to explain the Celestial Forge, which will be meant to give you the tools to just about make any machine, weapon, or armor you could damn well desire. '
Maybe for you following core premise makes things worse but for me and a ton of other people its the opposite. Nerfing perks randomly, for me, is what actively makes the story worse.
The 3 cf docs are derived from jumpchain perks, the perks have written down rules, as such those rules follow though to the perks in the forge, if you change how those perks work then they are not perks. Perks by definition are a part of jumpchain canon.
That's not what you have been saying at all. It says you can create any machine. It doesn't say anything about it completely overriding setting metaphysics.
There isn't a single author that hasn't changed how the Celestial Forge work for there stories some let the characters choose from three options some let them bank CP.
I don't get what you don't understand from my argument. If it's not on the document, it's not canon. It could be derived from a crayon drawing it wouldn't change that.
No, it's still the Celestial Forge, it's just not your interpretation of the Celestial Forge.
It says you can make any machine which means machines which can override setting metaphysics. In fact that's literally how all perks run, if they couldn't override setting metapahysics then how the hell would they function in other universes.
No? It was always the expectation that authors would veto the perks they didn't like, its literally 2k+ perks, there is no way to make its power level suitable for all the various universes.
The machine would work by changes the laws of physics, it doesn't have to fiat backed at all.
This is no longer about the story PM me if you want to continue. I will ignore your message as leading deeper into a derail If you want a reply resend in in PM, if not ignore it and accept that we dissagree.
