Caster of Black Quest (Fate/Apocrypha AU)
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EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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Looked this bit up again, it's less holding down the fort and more pulling political body double apparently. It's mentioned in Extra Materials, which sadly hasn't been fully translated and I can't into moonspeak for Gawain's section.
No, because he'd be deflowing their daughters instead
:Gawain said:
Mortifer
Embrace your inner lunatic. Fun times guaranteed.
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Great, something else I missed.
I'm just going to stand over here in shame and try and figure out how to reconcile this with my pre-existing plans.
Uh...
Maybe I'll just put this little piece of Canon in the same folder as 'Gawain is a pedophile' and 'Grand Order Boudica,' and ignore it.
EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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Also btdubs Gilgamesh is objectively the best king because he put humanity on the path to greatness and achieving their own greatness on their own without no stupid gods, and when Merlin tried to pull off the exact same thing with Artoira it all went horribly, horribly wrong.
This is why Saber is the most hilarious shit to Gil and why he can't help but be amused every time he sees her; she's the stupid, shitty joke that just keeps giving and giving.
It's...actually kinda an important detail because it plays into why he's a colossal doormat who sucks Leo's dick constantly even when he really shouldn't because it'd be better for Leo's development not to. I mean, it really shouldn't change anything either because Morgana still shafted the entire kingdom over and ruined everything in Gawain's eyes just as much as Lancelot did; it's just that Lancelot is extra double personal because he fucked his uncle's wife and killed his brothers. That's like going above and beyond to aggravate someone right there.
Edit: Basically, Morgana's objectively evil and terrible to all the Knights of the Round and they'd all probably hate her and want her dead, but Lancelot's offended and pissed off Gawain on a deep and personal level that only L33t-tier Kotomine Trolls can accomplish on a good day.
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Mortifer
Embrace your inner lunatic. Fun times guaranteed.
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- Under a rock.
Problem is, to make it work, I need to make massive changes to this Quests backstory. The easiest way would be to re-introduce Morgause, but that still requires an explanation as to why Morgon doesn't care about her and all of that.
Hm... Actually, I could have Morgause be an illegitimate child of Uther, who was hidden in order to prevent any controversy, and then just have Merlin tell Arturia and Gawain that they're related later on.
Not Nasu Merlin, who knew what Saber was doing by being an inhuman King, and cheered her on every step of the way.
EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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- My Ship of Light in the Cosmos
She's basically an estranged family member in actual Arthurian Lore so whatever. Like, a quick wiki-walk that she's related on the mother's side and not through Uther, so she didn't really have a shot at the throne.
Gilgamesh is objectively correct because he can see into the future and determine the best method to rule over the people. He also recognizes that only humans can rule and lead humans and thus why he goes out of his way to distance himself from them while also setting them up to lead themselves and have a standard to judge themselves by. His kingdom also lasted longer than either Broskander or Saber and the effects of his rule continue on into the modern era and in fact set the foundation for the Age of Man.
Saber, who was created to be the Perfect King and preserve Britian's current state failed to do either and was ultimately doomed from the start because Merlin's an inhuman monster who sees people like we see chickens and falls into the trap that Gilgamesh mentions of 'only humans can lead humans'.
AUO is better than all, you just lack the vision to comprehend it.
EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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- My Ship of Light in the Cosmos
Listen man, you can't deprive someone of their hard earned, painstakingly worked for, free-range chickens and veal.
Don't hate the farmer, hate the fate of being the farm animal; pig.
BlackHadou
Bunny-Sensei
Ender. Icyfyre. Not only is this a highly debateable point, this is also completely the wrong place to have it. Unless Gil shows up, can you two take talk of him to the Type Moon thread?
EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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- My Ship of Light in the Cosmos
I was just joking around, but ok.
Mortifer
Embrace your inner lunatic. Fun times guaranteed.
- Location
- Under a rock.
Eh, it's not too bad. As long as it doesn't take up more then two or three pages, all the off-topic conversation does is inflate the page count, and thus, my ego.
BlackHadou
Bunny-Sensei
Fair enough, but this can get pretty bad real fast. Lets just head it off now and stick to Gawain's now messy parentage.
Swear keeping Artoria's extended family straight requires a flow chart.
EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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- My Ship of Light in the Cosmos
Fucking Arthurain Lore needs a goddamn flowchart, man. I had like a five hour conversation on the differences between the earlier Celtic versions with a co-worker of mine who was a pagan and the later versions with all the Christianity changes. It's pretty mind boggling.
Omegastar
fear the {CENSORED}.
Speaking of best king....;_;
BlackHadou
Bunny-Sensei
Only five hours? Ive spent WEEKS reading through different versions of the same story. King Arthur is the biggest clusterfuck of literature ive seen, and school forced me to read Shakespeare.
EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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- My Ship of Light in the Cosmos
[X] Reinforce your body. Gawain won't expect you to respond by punching him in the face, and his confusion should buy time for the other Servants to shake off the blindness.
Because why not?
Because why not?
Namer
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[X] Reinforce your body. Gawain won't expect you to respond by punching him in the face, and his confusion should buy time for the other Servants to shake off the blindness.
Actually, don't take it to the Type-Moon thread. It just got out of that debate. Actually, don't have that debate at all: it doesn't end well.
Actually, don't take it to the Type-Moon thread. It just got out of that debate. Actually, don't have that debate at all: it doesn't end well.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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[X] Reinforce your body. Gawain won't expect you to respond by punching him in the face, and his confusion should buy time for the other Servants to shake off the blindness
And this could all be avoided if the black team weren't all embodiments of paranoia and actually communicated with each other, but then mages.
And this could all be avoided if the black team weren't all embodiments of paranoia and actually communicated with each other, but then mages.
BlackHadou
Bunny-Sensei
Lets... Mot get close then. That is still a sword thats a replica of Excalibur. Lets NOT test how hard it hits.
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- Canada
10- [] Reinforce your body. Gawain won't expect you to respond by punching him in the face, and his confusion should buy time for the other Servants to shake off the blindness
1-[] Use your Magecraft to hold him. He may have Magic Resistance, but a sudden wall should slow Gawain down
2-[] Get behind Gawain's Master. Use her as a human shield.
1-[] Nope the fuck out of there: Dematerialize and phase through the floor.
-[] Don't remember to say hi to Gawain. You are old friends after all.
1-[] Use your Magecraft to hold him. He may have Magic Resistance, but a sudden wall should slow Gawain down
2-[] Get behind Gawain's Master. Use her as a human shield.
1-[] Nope the fuck out of there: Dematerialize and phase through the floor.
-[] Don't remember to say hi to Gawain. You are old friends after all.