I do appreciate Buffy being sarcastic about her own madness. It's nice she has that perspective.

She's adjusting appropriately.

And don't you just get on well?

:)

Malk banter is best banter.

Poor Liam's left out.

Now this is a nice one. Genuinely dismissed it as random meaningless Malk madness but in retrospect it's completely obvious. Which is exactly what you want for Malkavian extrapossible knowledge/prophecy. For it to be obvious in retrospect but very easy to miss beforehand.

Thanks. That was more or less the goal, especially with me withholding the name of the contact.

SNRK.

Don't acknowledge the crazy, don't look at the crazies...

It would have been full of whiskey, but then Liam would have to deal with the erm... purging effects later.

Could just ignore it. Gehenna ended up being horrendously disappointing and worthless. As something on the distant horizon it works. But when it's close up you can see the holes in the stitching, and the scenery? Why it's just cardboard after all, painted on one side and no depth.

...sorry, went a bit Malk there.

Honestly, it was more or less the plan. Gehenna is kinda there but not. I don't think I'd be able to handle it much better than canon, and I really don't like how it was handled in canon. As such, the threat of Gehenna makes more sense to worry about IC, even if it never actually happens.
 
Honestly, it was more or less the plan. Gehenna is kinda there but not. I don't think I'd be able to handle it much better than canon, and I really don't like how it was handled in canon. As such, the threat of Gehenna makes more sense to worry about IC, even if it never actually happens.

You know, there ARE different versions of Gehenna you could make use of.
 
World of Darkness was intended to be a Dark Urban Fantasy setting. The thing is that once you actually add the apocalypse in you have completely and changed the genre. Few stories can survive total genre shift. Far fewer survive intact and, you guessed it, even fewer are improved by it.

Gehenna is best as a looming threat because that is what it was always intended to be, they just screwed and assigned an actual time when they called things the 'final nights' which, while cool sounding and makes a person important, pretty much forced them to do something the story was never to do. I mean the original setting had Malks be weird sorta/kinda/part fae, had the Gangrels be allies of the Fera and more. The setting simply changed too much for its foundation to be sturdy and Genre shifting requires a solid foundation.

Also why should Gehenna be the only entry of the fifty plus apocalypses that are in the setting? I mean sure its got like... seven flavors but why shouldn't the Fera be right about the world ending in the way they think it will, or the mages or the demons, ect, ect. Edit; By the way I am not saying that all of the various world ending scenarios should happen. Rather I was poking fun at oWoD far too many apocalyptic scenarios. I mean it makes Buffy look tame in comparison.
 
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Who says Gehenna has to be the end? The fourth scenario has an alternate ending in which the PCs become Third or even Second Generation vampires after <Tzimisce> is obliterated. The end of Caine need not be the end of the Kindred; Apocalypse, as "World's End" seen, need only "Revelation" mean.
 
World of Darkness was intended to be a Dark Urban Fantasy setting. The thing is that once you actually add the apocalypse in you have completely and changed the genre. Few stories can survive total genre shift. Far fewer survive intact and, you guessed it, even fewer are improved by it.

Gehenna is best as a looming threat because that is what it was always intended to be, they just screwed and assigned an actual time when they called things the 'final nights' which, while cool sounding and makes a person important, pretty much forced them to do something the story was never to do. I mean the original setting had Malks be weird sorta/kinda/part fae, had the Gangrels be allies of the Fera and more. The setting simply changed too much for its foundation to be sturdy and Genre shifting requires a solid foundation.

Also why should Gehenna be the only entry of the fifty plus apocalypses that are in the setting? I mean sure its got like... seven flavors but why shouldn't the Fera be right about the world ending in the way they think it will, or the mages or the demons, ect, ect. Edit; By the way I am not saying that all of the various world ending scenarios should happen. Rather I was poking fun at oWoD far too many apocalyptic scenarios. I mean it makes Buffy look tame in comparison.
It may be highly controversial opinion, but I think that World of Darkness never meant to be taken to seriously and all was done for the sake of good fun. I always treated WoD books as more of a toolkit, a list of suggestions and ideas to play with, rather, than a direct instruction. "Do this or don't that" - Nothing of the sort.

Don't want Gehenna. Don't do. Don't want secrets of Black Hand - don't use. Don't want Gangrel to leave Kamarilla - don't make them. Want to play in ancient rome, or thematic continuation of Dark Ages - whatever you want, dude.

There is nothing inherently wrong, in what players or developers done with settinv over two decades, aside of maybe some sloppiness here and there and people arguing about stuff. But, I see no use neither in worshipping canon nor constantly whining about it. You're playing goddamn Storyteller system - so, tell your frigging stories and be awesome. ;)

P.S. This piece of fanfiction included. I'm not sure, why exactly Elf chose V:tM - Bloodlines, as most of the readers probably know video game's plot, but, hey, whatever. It's fun!
 
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P.S. This piece of fanfiction included. I'm not sure, why exactly Elf chose V:tM - Bloodlines, as most of the readers probably know video game's plot, but, hey, whatever. It's fun!

I chose Bloodlines because it's accessible. It gives me a nice framework to let me tell my story around and gives me a host of pre-existing characters that would have had to create from scratch otherwise. Not that I can't do OCs, but that's not fully how I want to do things.
 
Not that I don't like the story, but think, that if you'll go off the rails and use _just_ characters it would be much, much better.

Maybe, you intend to do so, as there definitely are OS characters and original scenes, but I have this nagging feeling, each time when something happens exactly, like in canon, that makes me care a little bit less.

Bloodlines story is all well, but I know it as my five fingers, left to right and vice versa. What I think, forget about Elizabeth Dane, Sarcophagus, leave it as easter egg at best, just take the characters you need.

That's the feeling though, ignore me if you don't care.

Buffy interactions with her semi-real past and weird current is quite fun to watch.
 
Neuroses shared are neuroses cared.

<3

After all, she knew the guy. Price of the wind, indeed.

"Hello, Wesley."

Well, I was a little bit hoping for Ripper, but Seriously Not Fucking Around Windham Price will do just fine.

I'm not entirely sure how I want to handle Gehenna.

Don't.

Not that I don't like the story, but think, that if you'll go off the rails and use _just_ characters it would be much, much better.

That has been approximately my position for a while.

Ellf is at his best in this work when he's improvising using the box of legos he stole from the source material, rather than following the little instruction leaflets that are always from the wrong angle.
 
Chapter 5.2: Watcher
Wesley Wyndham-Pryce had been her third watcher, assigned to her by the Council after Giles had been fired for daring to help her in passing that dreadful test, or at least that's what he'd been in the Sunnydale delusion. Still, here he looked almost identical. What is real is false and what is false is real. We find ourselves drifting on the sea of perception.

Right. The voices in her head weren't exactly all that helpful at the moment, not when she was paying attention to Wesley while he pointed his shotgun at her. One who Watches, the voices had said, but Dru had confirmed it. That meant… something. She'd greeted him, but he seemed a little confused.

"I won't hurt you, Wesley," Buffy said, keeping her hands visible. "I just want to talk."

"You know me?" Wesley asked, not lowering the gun. Great. She'd have to deal with his paranoia about vampires. She couldn't really blame him, but it was still annoying. "You want to talk? Talk."

Still, back in Sunnydale, Wesley hadn't been all that great at his job. He hadn't been this. Comparing Wesley to how he'd acted in Sunnydale would probably be futile. She needed to focus on how she'd heard he'd been when he worked with Angel. Despite how Liam was in the Asylum, Angel had been a good man and judge of character. Wesley's performance in LA significantly outshined how he'd been when he had arrived just out of Watcher school. This Wesley had clearly slain more of her kind, and he wouldn't hesitate to shoot her again out of hand. She had to respect that, even if it hurt.

Life=pain. Or perhaps unlife=pain. Forgetful and lost and not dealing with anything from kine stories. A ring is unnecessary, of any color.

"You do some work for someone by the name of Nest. Trade of information, maybe, or he sends you hunting things. Spirits or vampires, right?" Buffy asked. "Or maybe he gets the information from you. A Watcher."

"I don't know what you're talking about." Wesley's hold on the gun seemed to loosen. Disillusioned with life, he barters with death. The watchful are blind and yet they see everything.

"Yes you do," Buffy said. "You know what I talk about, about she who is Chosen. About what your duty is to her."

What she didn't say, what she wanted to say, was that she had been the Slayer, the one who fought Lothos at Hemery, but she didn't. Not until she could get Wesley on her side. Still, it probably would have been easier, or it would have gotten him shooting again. She really wasn't sure whether she wanted to try that out until he fully lowered the gun.

"You're speaking nonsense." Wesley's grip loosened. Clearly he didn't really believe the words that he was saying, and Buffy knew it. She didn't need any strange voice to tell her anything of the sort, and she was pretty sure that the Watcher would at least hear her out. There is reason they aren't called listeners. They watch. They judge. They place. They force. They took her into chains and bound her with one of the God-Machine's processes, forcing it to Fall.

"You are or were a member of the Watcher's Council. Perhaps you were sent to replace Merrick, after he died," Buffy said, sadness tinging her voice. Her first Watcher hadn't deserved the death he'd gotten, and that was something she was pretty sure happened here as well. Merrick was real. He'd died here too, that much she was sure of. Maybe mentioning the council itself was a bad idea, but she needed Wesley's help to kill the demon. After all, if vampires were real, maybe it was possible that the Slayer was real too. "Your job is to train the Vampire Slayer, to advise her on what she'll face. Preferably having her not kill good vampires."

Wesley's face screwed up into a scowl, and he tightened his grip on the barrel of the shotgun. Great. The Council prejudices still held some. "There's no such—"

"Animal?" Buffy cocked her head, letting her fangs show. Maybe he'd believe her. "I don't kill humans as a rule, Wesley, even if I need to feed on them. From what I can tell, only some vampires do."

Let the kine return, heal, and then be fed upon again. The joy they feel, the rush… exquisite. Oh sure. Now the voices wanted to find alternate reasons for her not feeding unto death. It couldn't be enough that she just didn't want to kill anyone. Never mind the fact that she had, and it had felt amazing. She still had her soul. She still had her conscience. Mostly. Probably. It just had an off switch.

"I shouldn't believe you," Wesley said, lowering his gun fully, at last. Maybe she'd gotten through to him. "But for some reason I don't feel you will attack me."

"Not if you don't attack first," Buffy said, her eyes flicking to follow the gun before locking onto the Watcher's face. He refused to meet her eyes, and from what she could tell, that was probably a smart idea on his part. Not that she'd try to control him, even if she could, but it was good practice when dealing with the rest of her kind. "Now, can you help me or not?"

"I didn't say anything about helping you, vampire." Great, now they were going around in circles. Just when she'd thought she'd gotten some progress.

Plus, her name wasn't vampire, it was, "Buffy."

"What?" Wesley sounded confused. Good. it'd hopefully get the stick out of his ass and let her work with him. The ass-stick removal process is a multi-day procedure that requires inch by inch unpenetration. The average Watcher takes two years with how large the stick is.

"Buffy. It's not that hard to pronounce." She looked toward where her former prey had started coming back into his own, making his way back toward the restaurant that he worked at. Delicious as he'd been, he would hopefully have enough left in his system that he could replenish as the night went on.

"Your name is Buffy." Wesley's confusion seemed to go away, but his grip on the gun tightened, even lowered as it was.

"Yep," Buffy said. He speaks of madness, of watchful slides. Let him be consumed by that which he desires most. Time and space beckon as a god-king dies.

And that was… probably just nonsense. Sort of. She'd have to keep an eye on Wesley if he'd let her still be around. She wouldn't turn him, of course. No need to deal with the jester on how he wanted to handle things, but keeping an eye and making sure he remained safe seemed the best bet. Plus, she could use a contact outside the whole political arena that the Camarilla totally were. It'd probably help if someone tried to do something unsavory.

"Buffy Summers?" Wesley asked, and then immediately seemed torn between raising his gun and lowering it. "Slayer, Buffy Summers?"

He fights teachings he does not fully understand. Vampire. Slayer. Ne'er the two shall mix. Until they did, in you, figura mea. Julia? No. She'd seen Julia dust. She'd lost her sire the previous night, and… she needed to deal with Wesley.

"Not Summers anymore," said Buffy. "Not anymore. I walk and talk, yet I breathe not, Watcher-man. I have a job to do, and I need your brain. Your knowledge."

"You were to be my Slayer, the one I kept watch over, but I found you were in an institution," Wesley said. "I saw you, once. You were catatonic."

"I had hallucinations," Buffy said, in explanation. She wouldn't go into the full details with him as they ultimately didn't matter. "And you were there, and so many more people. Perhaps… you were there when you were there. Perhaps not."

"And now you are a vampire," Wesley said. She heard anger in his voice, like her being a vampire was her choice. Like she'd wanted to be a crazy creature of the night. I have a theory, they got the mustard out.

"One that needs your help. I won't harm you, I swear," Buffy said, ignoring the voices. Sometimes that really was the best answer, even if they were distracting.. "You can work with me, honest."

"A creature such as yourself claiming honesty," Wesley scoffed. It was obvious that he didn't want to work with her, but at least he hadn't raised the gun again. The shells had stung when they were pushing out of her flesh.

"I was to be your Slayer. You want to be a Watcher, Mister Wyndham-Pryce, act like one." Buffy crossed her arms. Rogue demons to hunt, kine to find and drink. Blood is life and life is blood and hunt is death and life everlasting…

"How is it you know my name?" Wesley asked.

"How do you know of the stars in the sky?" Buffy asked, the answer coming unbidden to her lips. Sometimes the voices don't like being ignored. Clearly, even if everything she said made sense. "Names are fickle things, you just need to listen to hear."

Wesley shook his head. He clearly didn't understand something that was so clear to her. "So, you still remain addled, even in death. What are you wanting?"

"To kill a demon," Buffy said plainly. It really was a simple task she was proposing. She just needed Wesley to tell her the kind of demon and how to kill it. That was his job, after all.

"Impossible," Wesley said. "Demons are nigh indestructible."

"Slayer," Buffy said simply. After all, if Wesley believed that the Slayer was real, Merrick had been real, and vampires were real, why wouldn't the Slayer be? Pity it took her turning into a vampire to realize that was even possible, but that was the way things went. Explosions and crosses. Lines and circles. Death and taxes. Fear and loathing. Demonology is full of secrets. Let us suck them out one by one.

"If it is a demon, a true demon, rather than some thing masquerading as one, it is a Fallen Angel, and it can and will kill you if you try," Wesley said. "And the world would be rid of one more vampire. So, go ahead."

"Okay one, hey! Two, I might not even need to kill it." Buffy shook her head. "It's making the Hyperion Hotel all uninhabitaty; I just need to get it out of there."

Buffy didn't mention why she needed it that way, an elaborate way to get someone to trust her so that Nest and Therese Voerman could work together feasibly. Of course, this could result in the destruction of any of them, but she needed the brownie points with the jester. She didn't like her current sanctuary, after all.

Speaking of sanctuaries, Buffy glanced toward the sky. She still had some time, but she needed to make it back home soon. She didn't want to be caught here when the sun rose. Call it a hunch, but she thought she wouldn't tan all that well. Nonsense! Just put on SPF 1,000,000,000 sunscreen, and it won't burn at all.

"The Hyperion, you say?" Wesley asked, a pensive look coming to his face. She recognized that look from when Giles would think and have an ah-ha moment. "I've heard about that. A mass killing in the fifties, and it's been condemned since. Are you sure it's a demon?"

"I was told so," Buffy said, glancing to the sky. Still twilight. She'd be fine. "Can you help me find out a way to drive it out?"

"I suppose I can look through some books..." Wesley murmured. He clearly had his curiosity piqued, something she would consider a good thing as long as she didn't have to do the research herself.

"Good." Buffy smiled at him, showing a bit of fang. Always good to remind the kine what they are. Whom they should serve. "I'll meet you at the diner on third around nine at night. See you."

Buffy turned and ran down the alleyway, not even giving Wesley a chance to respond as she started to make her way back to her sanctuary. Her bed beckoned, and she was already looking forward to a good day's rest before a proper Slaying.
 
Life=pain. Or perhaps unlife=pain. Forgetful and lost and not dealing with anything from kine stories. A ring is unnecessary, of any color.

The voices get very meta, then. I wonder why this quote for Wesley showing up? If it's a comparison to Pavlos that seems to indicate he's just as lost, and maybe his "metaknowledge" failed when Buffy was in the institution?
 
IT'S UNDEAD!!

They took her into chains and bound her with one of the God-Machine's processes, forcing it to Fall.

This is the Old World of Darkness, not the God-Machine Chronicle.

The ass-stick removal process is a multi-day procedure that requires inch by inch unpenetration. The average Watcher takes two years with how large the stick is.

Yeah, that sounds about right.
 
"Okay one, hey! Two, I might not even need to kill it." Buffy shook her head. "It's making the Hyperion Hotel all uninhabitaty; I just need to get it out of there."
Oddly enough, this is the most Buffy-esque piece of dialogue and yet the one that stands out the most/seems out of place given the way she's talking everywhere else.
 
Demons in WoD.
Are we talking about the Fallen and Earthbound or about the eternal dreamers some Baali and crazy diabolists are poking with metaphysical sticks?
 
Oddly enough, this is the most Buffy-esque piece of dialogue and yet the one that stands out the most/seems out of place given the way she's talking everywhere else.

Point. I could rework the dialogue a bit. I was mostly just trying to get the cobwebs out.
 
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I kinda wanna see a crossover of this and canon Buffy just to see Slayer!Buffy meet Malk!Buffy and just watch the crazy happen. Also booyeah it (un)lives!!!!!
 
Yeah, probably going to go back and revise Buffy's dialogue a bit, along with touching up a bit of the malkisms to stay in oWoD.
 
Wesley Wyndham-Pryce had been her third watcher, assigned to her by the Council after Giles had been fired for daring to help her in passing that dreadful test, or at least that's what he'd been in the Sunnydale delusion. Still, here he looked almost identical. What is real is false and what is false is real. We find ourselves drifting on the sea of perception.

Funny thing, I was actually rereading this just yesterday. Wasn't expecting it to update, but darn if I'm not pleased :D

Disillusioned with life, he barters with death. The watchful are blind and yet they see everything.

Ah. So Angel S4 cynical and callous beard scruff Wesley.

There is reason they aren't called listeners. They watch. They judge. They place. They force. They took her into chains and bound her with one of the God-Machine's processes, forcing it to Fall.

God-Machine is NWoD but can be attributed to malk crazy. Does feel like this is referring to the Shadow Men and the making of the first slayer though.

He refused to meet her eyes, and from what she could tell, that was probably a smart idea on his part. Not that she'd try to control him, even if she could, but it was good practice when dealing with the rest of her kind.

As a practice it only defends against some of the weaker uses of Dominate, but otoh you shouldn't go around expecting every vampire to be a discipline expert. Doesn't matter if it's not perfect if it helps against the schmucks.

The ass-stick removal process is a multi-day procedure that requires inch by inch unpenetration. The average Watcher takes two years with how large the stick is.

Seriously.

He speaks of madness, of watchful slides. Let him be consumed by that which he desires most. Time and space beckon as a god-king dies.

HMN. Illyria reference here methinks.

"And now you are a vampire," Wesley said. She heard anger in his voice, like her being a vampire was her choice. Like she'd wanted to be a crazy creature of the night.

Yeah, she might be coping okay but it really wasn't a thing she would have ever wanted. If not for the blood-bond fucking with her head she'd have been livid with Julia.

I have a theory, they got the mustard out.

Frequently the voices reveal hidden truths and pass on sly insight. This is not one of those times.

"So, you still remain addled, even in death.

Yeah, I mean even if she hadn't been made a Malk it's not like Vampirism cures mental health issues. Brujah buffy might not be as fucked up but she'd still have some issues. Judging from pre-embrace post-hospital buffy probably she'd still have some voices (less extreme or common) and occasional hallucinations. No blood delusions or weird compulsions though.

After all, if Wesley believed that the Slayer was real, Merrick had been real, and vampires were real, why wouldn't the Slayer be?

Buffy kind of fumbling her way through here with guesses, which is pretty reasonable considering. She knows some of what she remembers pre-sectioning is true, but she also knows that some of it definitively isn't. She remembers crosses burning vampires which defs isn't the case, so delusion is tangled all up with real memories.

"Okay one, hey! Two, I might not even need to kill it." Buffy shook her head. "It's making the Hyperion Hotel all uninhabitaty; I just need to get it out of there."

Kind of appreciate Buffy acting...buffy for a moment. She's still the same fundamental person underneath, even with the headfuckery and her acting to get Wesley to help.
 
Funny thing, I was actually rereading this just yesterday. Wasn't expecting it to update, but darn if I'm not pleased :D

Yeah, I haven't quite given up on this. Faith has more of my attention, and so do my other fics, but this is still fun to write. I do actually have a plan for how this story ends. It'll be interesting to get to that point.


God-Machine is NWoD but can be attributed to malk crazy. Does feel like this is referring to the Shadow Men and the making of the first slayer though.

Revision might not be fully necessary here.

As a practice it only defends against some of the weaker uses of Dominate, but otoh you shouldn't go around expecting every vampire to be a discipline expert. Doesn't matter if it's not perfect if it helps against the schmucks.

Yep! Wes isn't stupid.


HMN. Illyria reference here methinks.

Possible, yes.

Yeah, she might be coping okay but it really wasn't a thing she would have ever wanted. If not for the blood-bond fucking with her head she'd have been livid with Julia.

True. Of course, Julia was probably her best option. As we'll see soon enough.

Yeah, I mean even if she hadn't been made a Malk it's not like Vampirism cures mental health issues. Brujah buffy might not be as fucked up but she'd still have some issues. Judging from pre-embrace post-hospital buffy probably she'd still have some voices (less extreme or common) and occasional hallucinations. No blood delusions or weird compulsions though.

Yeah, true enough. Buffy Summers wasn't sane. That didn't change. It just became worse.

Buffy kind of fumbling her way through here with guesses, which is pretty reasonable considering. She knows some of what she remembers pre-sectioning is true, but she also knows that some of it definitively isn't. She remembers crosses burning vampires which defs isn't the case, so delusion is tangled all up with real memories.

Glad I was able to get that across.

Kind of appreciate Buffy acting...buffy for a moment. She's still the same fundamental person underneath, even with the headfuckery and her acting to get Wesley to help.

More and more Buffy will be coming out as she gets more comfortable in her newly dead skin. Right now... she's almost back in that mental hospital with how she's acting... just with a bit more purpose.
 
Buffy does just love to share doesn't she. I'm having a very weird time of it, so everyone else can have a weird time of it too ... though I see we're directly into 'dark and edgy watcher' mode, which is for the best, it's a dark and edgy kind of setting.

This has got to be giving him a headache, still he has a research topic now and he always did like those ... meanwhile Buffy gets to find if she can live up to the Slayer rep (if it exists, I can find a way to murder it).

Being a Malkav is working well for her ... that can cover up any amount of odd.
 
Julia's... insanity was a little less obvious. She was a megalomaniac. Everything in the world was hers, whether it knew it or not.
 
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