Bubble Tea Bears and Golden Tigers - An Alternate Universe RWBY Isekia Quest

So what would you guys think the kingdoms and residents of Remnant to reacting to us having a space program. And being the first kingdom/nation/pact to be able to go into space, and have set up the first satellite that can scan all over the planet of Remnant.
Some of these people have... pretty much lived in Fantasy farms and fishing villages. But they are aware of the capital cities of the Kingdoms being sustainable Megacities, with Academies having Megastructures built around the CCTS. They will not be impressed by a converted Patriot derivative, but if we can eliminate any Dust components and actually put stuff into space, that's a bigger deal.

Also, check what the actual Taiwan space agency is capable of. Their list of launches are all micro-satellites meant to study local weather and sea states. We are not the United States, we are a hair better than North Korea.
 
The New Menagerian Guard (By RealOtto)
Ich Bin Soldat

"A crown is merely a hat that lets the rain in." - Frederick The Great

The Menagerian Guard had seen better days.

Puroi Sen Jr. – Chief of the Menagerian Guards – looks at his dirty office as he is sitting behind a desk with a frown.

Oh don't get the performance of the Guard wrong, they still have a fleet and a land force enough to reinforce the towns, ports, and the defence for the Chieftain of Menagerie and his family themselves, even conduct collaborative efforts with their Taiwanese allies in clearing out the island from Grim..but, it could be more.

In fact, the Guards were at the height of their power during the Great War – focused towards making sure both sides of the conflict did not attack and at times even had to defend the island away from invaders trying to turn the tide by capturing the island for their means and schemes against their opponents.

But it's been decades since the fighting, where Menagerie took its first steps as a different power next to the other four Kingdoms of Remnant. That didn't mean their schemes have come to a stop, for what else are the tales of mistreatment, and even times violence, mean from the coming Faunus escaping their homes abroad?

No, it meant that a new conflict was soon to be upon them.

While this time Menagerie have allies, it'd be poor showing on their front to allow Taiwan to do everything for them – not to mention how that may increase resentment towards their staunch ally for not being at fault of their own. They don't control the Guard's budgets after all.

They didn't have the funds, the troops, the equipment to defeat the Grimm, nor can they now expand their reach with more outposts across the recaptured territories that now extend the Civilian Government's main control.

No, they can't rely on numerous troops that neither knew combat or the steadfastness – or a veteran force that once made the Humans rarely have battles on the island compared to other places on Remnant. They can't rely on huntsmen that should be focusing more on Grimm, Anti-Grimm defence, or training a new generation to handle everything for them.

However, that did not mean the Menagerian Guard could not adapt.

"Puroi?" A knock cancels his thoughts as his assistant calls out outside his door with a knock.

"Enter."

An aged black-turning white haired woman with cat ears and yellow eyes enters the office. Puroi pales as she enters, quickly standing up with a salute.

"My office has seen better days." The woman smiles amusedly with fondness in her voice, before dropping it as she frowns at the Chief of the Menagerian Guards. "At ease, Puroi. Don't forget I've already retired." She chides him.

"Easy to say when you just retired five years ago." Puroi muttered to himself before coughing to quickly cut his old superior from commenting. "What brings you here, aside from visiting that is?"

She pouts as she looks at him.

"Trying to pull the fun away?" She smirks at him. "I saw those new Earth-based computers in that new research lounge, need some help researchi-"

"Sure, you're hired as our new Research and Ideas department to scout through the Earth's internet database, and download the ones related to the Military: Airforce, Navy, Army, and anything that exists within." Puroi sweeps her under the rug again with a no-nonsense tone and a stony face.

"Why so stony?" She smirks at him with narrowed eyes, making him start to sweat. "What happened to the young private tha-"

"Proceeding to the next point!" Puroi cuts in crisply, already pulling out a document from inside a drawer. "Your contract just needs your signature." he points at the signature label below, with a pen thrown in to stop her from complaining.

Looking at him with an amused look on her face, she writes her signature in a slow manner – every second wasted as she narrowed her eyes into his, while he looks at her with impatience by tipping his foot on the floor gently.

"Finished, Puroi." She gives him a smirk as he grits her teeth. "Isn't it fun for me to finally retire without causing a scene?"

"Huh?" He looks at her with confusion, alongside suspicion.

"Now I can ~Give you my full attention." She winks with a flirty smile.

"Get out!" Puroi grits back as his cheeks finally blushed with embarrassment.

She giggles with amusement as he puts his head to his hands, groaning at losing his cool in front of the former Chief of the Menagerian Guards.

"What ever happened to the old disciplinarian of the Guards?" He complains as he shakes his head into his hands.

"Private." She speaks out in a serious tone, making him stand and snap a salute with sweat running down his head.

Minutes drags on as her face contorted into strictness with calculating eyes, her posture reminding him of her former position as she analyzes her opposing side..

"Made you salute." She breaks out into a smile with a giggle. "Can't I enjoy my retirement and now spend my time making sure your soldiers aren't spending work time on catfish websites on the internet?"

Without him saying anything, she simply leaves with a wave, taking a copy of the contract she signed as she closes the door.

"D-did I just bring a returning nightmare back into the Guards?" He rubs his forehead with a suffering look on his face. "No big deal, it'll be good to restore discipline since our last trainer left just before the monsoons."



"I wonder if I can request an order for computers for the administration branch of the Menagerian Guards." Puroi thinks to himself as he grips his chin, before writing down the idea as a suggestion to the next meeting with Chieftain Denim Sweets and the Menagerian Governing Council.

"~Chief, sir!" a voice calls out along with a knock on the door.

"What terror has she brought this time?" He grumbles as he grasps his head with one hand, rubbing his thumb on the forehead. "Enter!"

The door opens as the troublesome woman appears with a small smirk, carrying a group of folders at her right side. She takes a look at his face and drops her amusement into a professional facade of seriousness.

"Sir!" She gives him a salute.

"At ease, Head Researcher Kuro Belladonna." Puroi nods his head at the empty chair in front of him. "I'll assume that the week's reports on the internet research front have been fruitful?"

"Indeed, Chief." Kuro sits down, bringing the pile of folders on the desk while pushing it to him. "Many ideas are intriguing, its applications towards warfare and defence of the different countries' homelands more so." She summarises simply before continuing her and the research team's observations.

"As a first test of the procedure, we began with information towards learning from our Taiwanese allies. Their history in the military operations leaves much to be desired, but could not be blamed for the shrewdness of their enemies – especially with what seems to be a problem with leadership that was exploited to expand their enemy's influence that allowed them a swift victory." Puroi checks the more detailed explanation as he looks through the first folder.

"Of course, their operations now are different from before and wisely agreed along with my colleagues to leave searching on them alone. It'll be uncomfortable for both our soldiers and our allies if we attempt to copy them entirely."

"Understandable." Puroi closes the first folder with a nod in agreement. "It would be best if we are at our best to learn the basic information, and nothing more. Just like they and our forces do not interfere directly unless agreed upon in the Pact rules, we will not interfere directly in regards to information as well."

"Next, our research operations are focused towards the United States of America." She begins the next topic.

Puroi opens the next folder on the pile.

"The United States has two centuries worth of history in relation to Warfare, starting as a divided set of colonies unified against what was considered to be the most powerful country of the time, to ending up having wars in different places around the globe – additionally participating in two World Wars in different theatres of war at the same time." He reads through the research notes, considerably more than the Taiwan folder.

"Interesting approach to warfare." He comments mildly. "Industrial Might combined with a focused approach towards Firepower to allow them to win against their opponents. Although, it sounds familiar to a certain country in the north." He flips through some papers to continue more of the discussion. "That does not mean their approach could not be replicated, more so the current guards added with the Taiwanese forces could not follow along with the concept at the present possible moment. Continue to the next, Head Researcher." He closes the folder and places it on top of the first one.

"After a focus on the United States, we turned our attention to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." He picks up the next folder and opens it to find some information available.

"A reputation for being a colonial power, enough for people of Earth to create jokes about how they'll be the first colonists to colonise their planet's moon, with pictures of launching wooden ships into the outer orbit." He raises an eyebrow before shaking his head at the laughable image it paints in his head. "They have a consistent track record of a military history longer than the United States, however to simplify the matter, dates after the Unification of the isles in 1707 are concentrated on."

"One of their generals is known for defeating an Emperor by the name of Napoleon Bonaparte on the fields of Waterloo." He continues the conversation, looking over the papers on the country. "Of which Emperor was said to be the greatest, no less declared to be by this same general." He flips more papers for continued reading. "An impressive dedication to their homeland and to never surrender even when a swarm of aircraft bombed their island. Not to mention a large tradition towards the navy and their reputation as a superior foe on the seas." He closes it up and places it on the previous folder in favour of the next folder.

"The Fifth French Republic." She introduces as he opens the new folder. "A reputation of violence and known for their surrender in the Second World War."

"Colour me impressed." The Chief mutters to himself before raising his eyebrows.

"Believe me, the research team had that same reaction." Kuro nods her head. "They have a long history of Military Victories, more than every country known to history. Arguably their most consistent strings of victories are within the reign and leadership of one Napoleon Bonaparte. Who managed to defeat and conquer numerous armies and enemies in the span of two decades, before losing most of the French Army in the Winter and Summer of the land of the East."

"Impressive record." Honestly, it really is, a leader that according to the information gathered in the folder belongs to the age where heroes of old are said to remain. What is he doing outside of it? "Created a set of laws and reforms to the country that its variations are still in use to the modern time Taiwan comes from. The only way for the Coalition forces to defeat him is through not directly fighting Bonaparte in battle, focusing on his marshals." He frowns as he reads through a point in one of the papers. "Only Spain remained to be the worst nightmare for his..'Grande Armee' to fight in – similar to Vietnam from that United States folder." He closes the folder and places it on top of the last folder he read. "What is the last one for the report?"

"The Kingdom of Prussia, known in the Modern Day of Taiwan as 'The Federal Republic of Germany'." He raises an eyebrow at the name change of the mentioned country, not to mention Kuro's voice sounding more livelier than the other countries. "While officially abolished in 1947, the Prussians already had an influence in its culture from ideas of the military to businesses and the establishment and sciences, to even having the same capital alone. Therefore, while it is incorrect to say they are the same country, it is correct to say that Prussia is the major influence to the nation of Germany." He opens the folder to find a large package of papers, with a noticeable focus towards the Kingdom of Prussia compared to the Federal Republic of Germany."

"Different from many countries of its time, the Prussian Military enjoyed a large budget with rigorous drilling exercises and changes in tactics under Frederick the Great during the Seven Years War, which decreased by the time of its first iteration in favour of other projects such as industry, Sciences, the Arts, and railroad building as examples." She introduces the topic. "Again, different from other countries, they placed a large precedent towards education amongst the rank and file as an important aspect towards their military efforts, in addition to an adoption of new concepts and ideas as a way of having an edge against their opponents of the time under Minister of Defence Roon and Chief of Staff Helmuth von Moltke 'the Senior'."

Puroi's intrigue in the matter increases at the basically admission by the Prussians themselves to need new ways to conduct warfare in a world where there is a strong favour towards the classics, even from his observations on Remnant says the same – to the point its reluctance may describe one reason why the Armies of the world disintegrate with Atlas as the last nation to hold one.

"Recognizing this, Helmuth von Moltke had the army invested in new ways of communication and travel, designing new formations and doctrines of attack that promotes the concept of Self-Action of units to exploit an enemy's weak point, the creation of a General Staff that focuses on reform and helping Moltke's new form of combat, and other details that allows them to swiftly defeat Denmark, Austria, and France within the span of a decade." Kuro finishes with a small smile on her face.

"Interesting." He commentates as he looks over the file.

"Not only that, but there is an aspect that can be seen with more exposure than the other countries combined." There, she gives a grin.



A crowd of people looks at Kuo Kuana palace of Menagerie, which is really just a glorified house with extensions and additional developments that has the government expanded in its new departments that requires new rooms with new equipment and other factors that justifies the expansion of the palace.

It is one of those annual meetings of the Pact where the President of Taiwan visits the Government of Menagerie, purely ceremonial and diplomatic when both sides' ministries are working in the completion of projects, the decision of projects, and the waiting of said decisions to either be delayed, greenlit, or have enough funds and focus to justify its continuation. Overall, projects that would've bored the ordinary citizen comfortable with their lives – or in some cases focused on other facts of life like Tankery, development of new movements, or people complaining that life in the other Kingdoms are more fun than peaceful Menagerie.

Suddenly, a new tune enters the minds of the people that are standing by, patriots in the crowd confused by this new distraction from the event of officials arriving in the country.

It was until the arrival of a newly uniformed group of individuals, with the leader holding onto a pointed stick with the flag of Menagerie in a triangle formation flowing at one side with the conductor at the other side, the pointed stick bobbing up and down. The uniforms consist of helmets that look similar to the ones Taiwanese soldiers wear, except with pointed tops with smooth yet metallic basis that gives a sense of height and some factor of intimidation, with the tops having a dark blue colour while the bottoms are the colour white.

Amongst them, are holding different instruments with the first two rows with drums with the National Symbol of Menagerie, followed by rows of wind instrument musicians, some drummers and cymbalists as additions into the band, with the last group of the small parade by another flag bearer in the middle of the overall formation with a larger and more rectangular flag with a group of soldiers marching in matching steps – one would think a goose Faunus would train them to step like – like the rest of the forces, however only carrying a rifle in the same motions as each of the non-musicians.

The crowd couldn't help but feel invested in the sequence of events. Taking place where usually are filled with boredom having to wait for the leaders to appear, now filled with a song that gives off a sense and taste of victory to any that listens to it – for some confused of the change and many growing a sense of pride amongst the ones that are listening. Most likely this was a new detatchment of the Menagerie Guards that was formed to fill in entertainment or establish a sense that something important is happening? If it was both, or perhaps more, then it made its purpose clear as day.

At the end of the second song, a moment of silence was heard as the band was already in position, facing a red carpet and also the crowd as the Chieftain of Menagerie and the President of Taiwan stood at one side of it. If one were to focus on the two leaders, the President looks confused at this new yet familiar setting.

A few moments later, which means pictures taken by journalists attending the ordeal, a march starts playing as the two leaders walk through the red carpet heading towards the entrance of the palace.



"Good thing the Chieftain enjoyed the performance to the point of not feeling spited at a late-announced entourage of the newly formed Music Corps of the Menagerie Guards." Puroi Sen mutters to himself as he looks at a piece of paper with a smile. "Felt happy enough to promise an increase to the Guard's budget, and actually fell through with it."

He turns his head to other ideas he and his team of researchers wrote down to develop further down, with priorities in regards to budget to allow the expansion and reformation of the Guards to what he hopes to be considered a true military force – equal to the Taiwanese military than what he believes to be a subservient, even if that was simply because of numbers and military hardware and other related factors.

The list is as follows:

- The Creation of the Menagerie Guard General Staff

- The Creation of the Menagerie Financial Commission – a sub-department of the General Staff focused towards the financial and logistical statistical finances aspects of the Military.

- The Creation of the Menagerie Guard Reform Commission – a sub-department of the General Staff focused towards Research, Reform, and Reform Maintenance/enactment.

- The Creation of the Menagerie Guard Disciplinarian Department – a sub-department of the General Staff towards disciplinarian action, defence of military buildings, and maintenance of the army policies.

- The Creation of the Menagerie Military Intelligence Group – sub-department of the General Staff focuses on the foreign and domestic military intelligence.

- The Menagerie Grimm-Infestation Counter Forces – a sub-department of the General Staff dedicated towards aiding Anti-Grimm operations in securing a village attacked by Grimm as the Aura users focus on the Grimm themselves. This group aids the defence, reconstruction, provides medical assistance, and defence operation liaison to the attacked village.

- The Creation of the Menagerie Special Forces – sub-department of the General Staff, consists of Aura Users or Huntsmen/Huntresses that enlists into the Menagerie Guard.

- The Creation of a Pact Huntsmen/Huntresses Tankery Academy that promotes further cooperation and training of new defenders against the Grimm.

- The Menagerie Guard Military and Tankery Academy – An official building dedicated towards the training of up-coming Soldiers, NCOs, and even Aura Users who decided to become part of the Menagerie Guard than become a Huntsmen/Huntress - not to mention with a part-time in the big leagued Tankery Tournaments.


Sure, a list that is incompleted and completely expected to expand and change as time goes on, with changing priorities mattering to the strategies and doctrines the Military would need to employ. A sure thing, however, is funding in the training and technology of the Menagerian Guard to play as a levelling field despite the small number of troops compared to the other powers.

After all, the original plan usually never survives contact at the enemy's approach.

"Knew I forgot something." Puroi Sen Jr. grumbles to himself as he writes down an idea for an official department for Military Engineering and Logistics. With further thinking, expanding into another with the proposition of a new Military Doctrine for the Guards to take inspired by the Prussians with added ideas to be explored by the research team and himself for the new General Staff meeting once it's established.


N/A: While I'd like to end it on a Parade March, I decided to continue on a little to the end that signifies a new beginning for the Menagerie Guards, inspired heavily by a certain country with influences from Taiwan and other nations on Earth and even Atlas when it comes for Aura Users and the Military.

Puroi Sen's based on a Colour Naming (as it'd be in rage at this point in time) that is quite amusing.
 
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That is a very impressive Omake @RealOtto
If you're an armchair Wheraboo, maybe.

I'll keep to the cliffnotes for now, I assue people don't want to be here for a multi-hour lecture. But if you'd like, I can set up a deep-dive tutoring session.
Oh don't get the performance of the Guard wrong, they still have a fleet and a land force enough to reinforce the towns, ports, and the defence for the Chieftain of Menagerie and his family themselves, even conduct collaborative efforts with their Taiwanese allies in clearing out the island from Grim..but, it could be more.

In fact, the Guards were at the height of their power during the Great War – focused towards making sure both sides of the conflict did not attack and at times even had to defend the island away from invaders trying to turn the tide by capturing the island for their means and schemes against their opponents.
I can buy these being soldiers and more common in the pre-Peace days. Menagerie probably tried to arm their militia better than what we see run out to Haven Academy.
"Recognizing this, Helmuth von Moltke had the army invested in new ways of communication and travel, designing new formations and doctrines of attack that promotes the concept of Self-Action of units to exploit an enemy's weak point, the creation of a General Staff that focuses on reform and helping Moltke's new form of combat, and other details that allows them to swiftly defeat Denmark, Austria, and France within the span of a decade." Kuro finishes with a small smile on her face.

"Interesting." He commentates as he looks over the file.
This. This is where the nonsense and propoganda kick in. The Prussian legacy, even pre-WW1, was a culture of intellectual stagnation and rigidity.
Such as, what Moltke invented was layers of rigid, inflexible plans that tried to compensate for things going wrong, but ultimately didn't. The advantages in the late 1800s came from diplomatic maneuvers and foresight, rather than any supposed tactical genius. In fact, the 'self-action' is what creates the downfall of everything after.
Puroi's intrigue in the matter increases at the basically admission by the Prussians themselves to need new ways to conduct warfare in a world where there is a strong favour towards the classics, even from his observations on Remnant says the same – to the point its reluctance may describe one reason why the Armies of the world disintegrate with Atlas as the last nation to hold one.
Except the Prussian officer clique that wound up in its biggest challenges in the first half of the 20th century never innovated beyond getting better at lying about their record. All they knew was "maneuver warfare", if taken off that mindset they had difficulty even thinking of doing anything else. The german generals ordering their men in the trenches were just as guilty of Cult of The Offensive and thinking more men, shells, and sheer will would break the lines and start maneuvers again. The supposed "invention" of defense in depth was ultimately putting old tactics of encirclement and counterattack from the Fredrick the Great and older into a new era, which neither turned the Germans decreasing men and material status against the Entente's growing strength, or let them "go back on the offensive". The closest thing to innovation, the Stormtroopers, came not from officers, but from frontline units... who didn't know how to look at the bigger picture anymore than their generals. Which persisted into the second world war, and the obsession over tactical objectives without any context or lessons learned.

Lemme knock out the myths real quick:
The German army wasn't some modern, mechanized force, the German army that marched into Russia in 1941 was for the most part unchanged from the army that had done the same in 1915. On foot, on horse, and with mostly the same kit. The images we see of a German military in tanks and halftracks comes from the propoganda department, and were shot on staged locations to give the best possible image of their regime.

The obsession with tactical objectives, small-unit actions, and whitewashed hagiographies of 'aces' didn't make the German army super-soldiers of a great empire. It made them a one-trick mediocre power with delusions of grandeur. Having a soldier with a large amount of kills doesn't matter, taking a hill doesn't matter, encircling an army doesn't matter, so long as the strategic threat still remains. Without the ability to touch the enemy's larger war production centers and vital resources, while their own inferior resources were being targeted to increasingly effective results, the result was always inevitable.

In both world wars, once the Germans were knocked off their one and sole plan the mindset became 'wait for an opportunity' passiveness. For example, enemy gained a superiority in artillery and made it difficult to concentrated forces or sustained mobility, there was no adaptation. The conclusion from the army was just repeated cycles of 'wow, they got hands'. No night operations doctrine, no trying to improve counterbattery, no focus on closer communication between arty and other assets, not even a use of smoke shells. On a strategic level, the western front of the first world war and the eastern front of the second both suffered from this strategic passivity after their offensive broke down. Once the left wing broke, once Stalingrad broke the 6th army, the subsequent operations were getting smaller and smaller. All with the hope that if all the dubious planning succeeded, the result would be the Germans having the initiative and that there'd be some gap or weakness in the enemy that'd reveal itself.

And of course, blitzkrieg wasn't some magical new thing the Germans invented. They just slotted a scarce handful of tanks into their existing formations and didn't change up their doctrine, even when they realized they couldn't keep up with fuel supplies on any level.
N/A: While I'd like to end it on a Parade March, I decided to continue on a little to the end that signifies a new beginning for the Menagerie Guards, inspired heavily by a certain country with influences from Taiwan and other nations on Earth and even Atlas when it comes for Aura Users and the Military.
If you really wanted to give an excuse for your Wherabooism, you should have started with the Republic of China's history and talked about their attempts to make a modern army, then you could talk about their purchases of german weapons and use of military advisors to set up whole units.

Stormtroop-style units are tactically easier to integrate into modern infantry units. What was shocking and brand new in the last year and change of WW1 is now the bog-standard most western nations train to.

A poorly considered idea given a very lackluster execution.
 
With further thinking, expanding into another with the proposition of a new Military Doctrine for the Guards to take inspired by the Prussians with added ideas to be explored by the research team and himself for the new General Staff meeting once it's established.
This seems like a pretty terrible idea; Prussia was good and all during their time, but technology has changed and rather than trying to adopt whatever fragments of outdated Prussian doctrine that survived when Taiwan lost connection to the global web to a new world with a very different strategic context wouldn't it be better and easier to adapt the Taiwanese or U.S doctrine to the current situation. That way you already have trainers for most of the vehicles, support equipment and weapons as well as the existing military structure of Taiwan to copy.

That being said I like the idea of a military parade, given how an increase in moral directly leads to less military expenditure.
 
@Always Late cool your head.
1. They're building and expanding the Menagerie Guard into a full Military
2. They're trying to work out the kinks and ideas
3. It's the Internet.

Now here's my organizational structure because the Menagerie Guard Reform Commission has done their Research and did their Reforms correctly:

Menagerie Guard

  • Headed by the Chief of the Defence Staff
  • Responsible for the Guard

Menagerie Guard Army

  • The Menagerie Army is the tasked with land operations.
  • It is the largest of the three services and primarily a conscript army with a core of Professional Troops.

Menagerie Guard Air Force

  • The Menagerie Guard Air Force is the air arm of the Menagerie Guard.
  • The Air Force consists mostly of Professional Full Time Personnel and Airmen
  • In charge of Air Defence, Air Superiority, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, Rapid Mobility and Strike Capability.

Menagerie Guard Navy

  • The Menagerie Guard Navy is the naval branch of the Menagerie Guard.
  • Responsible for the defence of Menagerie against sea-borne threats and protection of its sea lines of communications and trade.

Menagerie Coast Guard

  • The Menagerie Coast Guard is the maritime security, search and rescue, and law enforcement branch of the Menagerie Guard.
  • Responsible for the defence of Menagerie against sea-borne threats, protection of its sea lines of communications and trade, search and rescue operations, and maritime security.

Menagerie Gendarmerie

  • The Menagerie Gendarmerie is the law enforcement branch under the Menagerie Guard Disciplinarian Department.
 
Some of these people have... pretty much lived in Fantasy farms and fishing villages. But they are aware of the capital cities of the Kingdoms being sustainable Megacities, with Academies having Megastructures built around the CCTS. They will not be impressed by a converted Patriot derivative, but if we can eliminate any Dust components and actually put stuff into space, that's a bigger deal.

Also, check what the actual Taiwan space agency is capable of. Their list of launches are all micro-satellites meant to study local weather and sea states. We are not the United States, we are a hair better than North Korea.
Side note, for people to know dust doesn't work in space it means they tried.

Did Atlas even try it yet, or is it something that was meant to happen in the future?

I think the first. There was some mention of satellites being proposed as an alternative to the ccts system if I remember right, though I suppose it might have come up later.
 
They Taiwan can and could launch satellites even if they're micro-satellites it means they have the capability and ability to launch new ones.
 
They Taiwan can and could launch satellites even if they're micro-satellites it means they have the capability and ability to launch new ones.
depends. were their rockets and satellites locally made or imported? Maybe they imported SOME of the components? the special alloys? The engines? Maybe they imported the "molds/casts/presses" or whatever was used to prepare the alloys?

In any case we're working on the agency, if slowly. I'm not worried. We're definitely decades ahead of anywhere else, INCLUDING ATLAS, on this one specific sector, and probably in many others too.

We're mostly going to be behind in aura-semblance knowledge and applications, and dust-based technology and applications. probably a weird mix of ahead and behind in medicine and biology, in that our methods and knowledge base are likely better, BUT we don't have experience with bullshit anime-plants and herbs from Remnant, which might or might not be partially magical. Or, hey, for all we know there's a tradition of awakening the aura of medical herbs or luxury food to make them "better/healthier".

Basically our doctors might be better, but there might be local substances that can allow us to make better medicines than anything on Earth.

A good example of this is possibly the bio-fuel project. Is what we did here viable on Earth? probably. But this easily? It's likely that Remnant algae were just "better".
 
Basically our doctors might be better, but there might be local substances that can allow us to make better medicines than anything on Earth.

A good example of this is possibly the bio-fuel project. Is what we did here viable on Earth? probably. But this easily? It's likely that Remnant algae were just "better".
Basically why I had the Research Category on my Plan.
I really think we need that Research ASAP.
 
Basically why I had the Research Category on my Plan.
I really think we need that Research ASAP.
it's on my plan too partly because of this.

It's just... our tech is mostly BETTER than Remnant. But Remnant has some resources Earth does not. Mainly aura, semblances, Dust, magic, faunus genes/dna, Grimms, and every effect on other stuff from those.

I'm just really curious to see what a dedicated Research category can come up with.
 
[X] Plan Pittauro beta version
Bit late with the voting due to exams but this one looks good.
 
Taiwanese or U.S doctrine to the current situation

Like the reform plan mentioned, it could - and definitely with time and experience and other factors - change.

Even if it doesn't make sense, they'd rather not feel basically copying Taiwan or the US's entire military. That wouldn't sit well with those that wants to keep a semblance of Menagerian Independence (even if they're mostly copying from a different nation, at least it isn't pre-existing country or faction on Remnant). That still won't mean they will not take training and the like with a "no", more so "We are different countries, but that does not mean we can not host training exercises and collaboration..but just as we do not interfere with your doctrinal changes and what not without permission, the same would go for us".

, but technology has changed

The principles did not change.

The Ideal Principles of Prussian Doctrine relied on better Organization, Coordination, Swift Action, Centralized-Decentralized Command Structure (If a Unit sees opportunity to exploit the enemy's weaknesses, they do not require permission from their superiors. This was refined during the Austro-Prussian War and years leading to the Franco-Prussian War so it wouldn't cripple much of the overall strategy and command of the Prussian Army.) Superior Firepower + War of Maneuver to Out-flank, encircle, and destroy enemy units on field, with a promotion towards adopting new technology to have an edge against and Education as mandatory for all soldiers and officers - with a belief that it's a needed virtue for all who serve in the army.

Does all of that sound familiar in Modern Warfare?

Prussian Principles and Pre-existing Military Tradition Menagerie's the Backbone, other concepts and practicalities will be added in to change the backbone bit by bit to create a more "Menagerian" style of Military that works in conjunction with the Taiwanese Forces. That is the Goal for the Great Reform - not to feel subservient to their ally (even if it sounds stupid) and try to do things their own way before changing things up to fit the doctrine for the current along the principles that in their mind makes a successful military.

In Summary: While overall copying 100% of the Prussian Doctrine that brings in the ridged and what not as @Always Late, or outdated as @Jack727 says. They're not going to simply do that as A) Prussia never had tanks, Motorized vehicles, Radios, even Scrolls, advanced missile systems, etc. that justifies a change from an infantry-based system and B) It seems more practical to adopt as a short-term plan that can be branched off with more heavy influences from their allies once the whole "We're our own Military" thinking is satiated once the first Reform Phase is completed.

To make it more simple:

2. They're trying to work out the kinks and ideas

They're just testing ideas as said from above. No need to copy the entire definition when you can summarise and focus on the principles without the baggage train that is the context.

Besides, trivia time: The US's basically investing in the development of Anti-Small Firearm helmets alongside its anti-shrapnel function, with its new iteration being the IHPS.

We can add Hardlight Dust in to boost its capabilities as an Anti-Small Firearm + Anti-Shrapnel Helmet, any ideas of which dust can be used to enhance what portions of the helmet?

Aside from that, I wonder what changes and developments we'd have to make for Faunus-based helmets aside from its ceremonial variants? They do not require night vision, so some kind of vision enhancement? Protection from over sensory attacks?

Anyway, a question for our Faunus Expert that got pinged earlier:

If the White Fang was created after the Faunus Rights Revolution, do you suppose there is a "Proto-White Fang" That is responsible for the Faunus side's fighting against the other Kingdoms? Or something like the 1848-49 Revolutions that have the revolutions separate from the other Kingdoms? The Wiki suggests a collaborative effort between the Kingdoms (With the uses of "Human Forces" than say "Atlas Army" or "Valean Army") in a coalition war against the Faunus in Battle of Fort Castle in the third year of the war, which its location remains to be unknown.

For all we know, Fort Castle could've been on Menagerie as one of the first forts of the country that was used as a fallback in case the Kingdoms attempts a large Naval Invasion. Overrestimating the Faunus, an inexperienced arrogant general defied orders to stay for reinforcements and waiting for supply. Then rest is history..?
 
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Like the reform plan mentioned, it could - and definitely with time and experience and other factors - change.

Even if it doesn't make sense, they'd rather not feel basically copying Taiwan or the US's entire military. That wouldn't sit well with those that wants to keep a semblance of Menagerian Independence (even if they're mostly copying from a different nation, at least it isn't pre-existing country or faction on Remnant). That still won't mean they will not take training and the like with a "no", more so "We are different countries, but that does not mean we can not host training exercises and collaboration..but just as we do not interfere with your doctrinal changes and what not without permission, the same would go for us".
... Do you even read the words you're typing before you post them? Or does the idea of "we're preserving our culture by completely abandoning it" have zero contradiction to you?
In Summary: While overall copying 100% of the Prussian Doctrine that brings in the ridged and what not as @Always Late, or outdated as @Jack727 says. They're not going to simply do that as A) Prussia never had tanks, Motorized vehicles, Radios, even Scrolls, advanced missile systems, etc. that justifies a change from an infantry-based system and B) It seems more practical to adopt as a short-term plan that can be branched off with more heavy influences from their allies once the whole "We're our own Military" thinking is satiated once the first Reform Phase is completed.
Except that's not what you wrote, nor what you said in the ending. You spent two and a half thousand words on talking head exposition just so you can have your Wehraboo marching fantasy, and tack on an ending of "we're using the Prussians as a core, then tacking everything else on." That's very clearly not 'a short term plan'. It's too late to backtrack when your own words contradict you. Or are your ideas just so half-baked you don't even see where you're contradicting what you wrote before?
They're just testing ideas as said from above. No need to copy the entire definition when you can summarise and focus on the principles without the baggage train that is the context.
Except context is everything that matters. Saying you want to get rid of context is saying you're not capable of making your idea fit someone else's story but you don't actually want to be held responsible.

If you can't put in any effort into your own idea, why should any of us give a shit? Take your idea back to the oven, warm it up to 420, put it in until that thermometer comes out clean as a whistle and that meat is cooked to a nice golden brown. You need to figure out how a normal person, not a 2D caracature, is supposed to go from Point A to Point P. You have to justify your magical realm, however much time and character development it takes. And If you can't make it work within this quest, if you can't help build up Vinny's story, then take William Faulkner's advice and kill your darling.
 
Do I have a feeling that this argument is going to get heated like a boiling water, that is about to boil over if no one removes the lid to prevent that from happening or even lowering the temperature of the heat boiling the water. Though in reasonable terms in this argument as it is not in a boiling point right now. And no I will not involve myself in your arguments if you misread what I am saying as this seems to be an argument you two are going to discuss about in this quest.
 
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  • [x] Plan Pittauro beta version
    -[x] INFRA (10+10+7+5=+32 per dice, 4 dice) (15 resources per dice)
    -- [x] Lungmen Nuclear Plant Completion (Progress: 70/250)(+20 Energy per turn) (Priority) (3 dice, 45 resources) (39.6%)
    -- [x] Urban Housing expansion (Phase 1)
    ---[x] Kuo Kuana housing district (Progress: 0/100)(+2 QoL) (1 dice, 15 resources)
    -[x]HEAVY INDUSTRY (6 dice, 10+10= +20 per dice, and the aggregate bonus for a one-off per project of +20) (25 resources per dice)
    --[x] Steel extraction and Production expansion (phase 1)(Progress: 0/200) (-3 Energy per turn)(-1 QoL)(+20 Resources per turn)(+1 Free Dice)(5 dice, 125 resources) (93%)
    -[x] Metal Mining operations:
    --[x] Driftwood Iron Mines (Eastern Menegarie)(Progress: 25/100) (+5 Resources per turn)(1 dice, 25 resources) (32%)
    -[x] LIGHT INDUSTRY (5-1=4 dice, 10+10= +20 per dice, only +15 for oil, and the aggregate bonus for a one-off per project of +20) (20 resources per dice)
    --[x] Dust mining and refinement (Phase 3) -
    ---[x]Dhera Ice Dust Mines (Progress: 19/100) (+5 Energy, + 5 Resources per turn) (2 dice, 40 resources) (92.4%)
    --[x] Personnel Vehicle Manufacturing Retooling (Phase 2) - (Progress: 17/125) (changes to -10 resources per turn) (Adds +14 to infrastructure and logistics rolls) (2 dice, 40 resources) (56,8%)
    -[x] AGRICULTURE (+10+10+5(food/medical projects) = +25 +1d4 (average 2.5) (agri/medical projects), 5 dice) (15 resources per dice)
    --[x] Southern Fields expansion (Phase 2) -
    ---[x] Rice Paddie Fields (Progress: 46/125) (+5 resources turn)(+2 QoL)(2 dice, 30 resources) (89.9%)
    --[x] Livestock Program (Phase 1) (Progress: 0/150) (-2 Energy per turn) (+5 QoL)(+2 PS)(+5 resources per turn) (3 dice, 45 resources) (63.3%)
    -[x] SERVICES (5-2=3 dice, +10+10=+20 bonus (and another +5 to food/medical stuff, like hospitals and maybe cooking programs, and a 1d4 for agri/medical) (15 resources per dice)
    --[x] Adult Vocational Training Establishment - (Progress: 111/250) (-5 Energy) (+1 Free, Light Industry, Heavy Industry, and Service Dice each) (3+1 free dice, 60 resources) (93.2%)
    -[x] ORBITALS (2 dice, I think +25 per dice) (10 resources per dice)
    --[x] Joint Space Administration Facility - (Progress: 152/450) (Unlocks additional orbital tech) (2 dice, 20 resources)
    -[x] DEFENSE (8-1=7 dice, +25 -1d8 so average 1d50+ 20.5) (10 resources per dice)
    --[x] Domestic C-130 Production
    ---[x] Taichung Production (Progress - 0/150) (+10 to all service and infrastructure rolls) (-1 energy per turn) (4 dice, 40 resources) ( 97.1%)
    --[x] Coast Cutter Expansion Program - (Progress: 0/150) (-1 Energy) (3 dice, 30 resources) ( 63.3%)
    -[x] INTELLIGENCE WORK (4-1=3 Dice)(15 Resources Each)(presumably +20 only from ships and roads)
    --[x] Analyze the CCTS network - (Progress: 0/125) (Provides general intelligence updates) (3+1 free dice, 60 resources) ( 97.8%)
    -[x] EDICTS/OPERATIONS.
    --[x] Establish a Research Division - (Cost: -1 service dice, -1 light industry dice) (Unlocks Special research branch)
    --[x] Preserve Old Earth heritage - (Cost: 1 service dice, 1 intelligence dice for a turn)
    --[x] Salvage Operation (Phase 4) - (Cost: 2 Free Dice, 1 military dice)(+150 Resources)(low risk of detection by the kingdoms)
    [X]Plan Finishing up First Farms and Mining
    -[X] Lungmen Nuclear Plant Completion (Progress: 70/250) 4 dice 96%
    -[X] Kuo Kuana housing district (Progress: 0/100)(+2 QoL) 1 dice
    -[X] Steel extraction and Production expansion (phase 1) 0/200 4 dice 53.33%
    -[X] Ruifang District Copper Mine (Taiwan) 0/100 2 dice 70.36%
    -[X] Dhera Ice Dust Mines 19/100 2 dice 92.4%
    -[X] Personnel Vehicle Manufacturing Retooling (Phase 2) 17/125 3 dice 97.66%
    -[X] Fruit plantation expansion (Phase 1) 0/125 3 dice 90.13%
    -[X] Livestock Program (Phase 1) 0/150 3 dice 61.87%
    -[X] Adult Vocational Training Establishment 111/250 4 dice 93.22%
    -[X] Joint Space Administration Facility 152/450 2 dice 20R
    -[X] Firearms Production Expansion (Light and Heavy Machine Guns) 0/125 3 dice 67.54%
    -[X] Domestic C-130 Production - Taichung Production 0/150 3 dice 74.19%
    -[X] Coast Cutter Expansion Program 0/150 4 dice 86.42%
    -[X] Anyzle the CCTS network 0/125 3 dice 67.54%
    -[X] Preserve Old Earth heritage (1 service dice, 1 intelligence dice)
 
Do I have a feeling that this argument is going to get heated like a boiling water, that is about to boil over if no one removes the lid to prevent that from happening or even lowering the temperature of the heat boiling the water. Though in reasonable terms in this argument as it is not in a boiling point right now. And no I will not involve myself in your arguments if you misread what I am saying as this seems to be an argument you two are going to discuss about in this quest.

Because it is.

At the end of the day, no idea is complete - only expanded.

Whether that be felt by the author/writer (who felt they write too little on an idea), a reader (who felt the content is incomplete), or the editor (who felt the idea is too far-fetched, radical, or controversial).

For a single writer with no editor, they have to play all three in order to be a "play safe", even if it seems half-baked, too much, or just cannot be readable for different assortment of reasons.
 
Ah nuts I fell asleep during voting.

@Always Late I suggest you cool off.

Building a Military from scratch is not easy, and since Menagerie never had a proper military, it make sense they're taking a look at what Earth Militaries are in history and trying to use them as a base to work out the kinks and ideas to build a proper core base to work off.

In other word do you try to force opinions into ideas without proper criticism because I'm throwing this back at you: Do you even read the words you're typing before you post them?

The Indonesian Military was build upon Japanese military manuals, Prussian Doctrine and historical tactics.
Do we do suicide charges?
Are we so rigid that we are unable to adapt?

In other words, you are making opinions in some people's case it's getting more into I'm right and you are wrong.

I want you to stop and think, and try to make a military from scratch, because I did and I made it properly.
 
I agree with @MagicalGeek and @RealOtto, you need to cool off @Always Late. There is no reason to blow up or what looks like your raging against Real's sidestory. It is his attempt to give us what changes are accruing with the Mengerian Guards as they attempt to adapt and grow into a proper military force. It is a concept that is new and wont be easy, but they are trying. It will look silly and ridiculous, yes it will but so does everything when someone tries something new. Stuff like this wont look professional or clean but they are trying to test it out with the various concepts that Taiwan brought with them.
Also any grammar mistakes or writing should be given constructive criticism, not bashing because it somehow triggered you with the story concept of someone perspective of the changes going on in this story. If there is a issue, let the author address the issue and not bash someone story perspective.
 
I agree with @Avidreader124 because in this case, this is just the skeleton of the base core of the Menagerie Guard, we haven't reach Ranks, Doctrine or even how they're going to set up their forces.
 
Alright, I'm putting a stop with the Menagrian debate on whether or not how to view Otto's idea on reforming the Menagerian Guard. I'm still in absolute pain from climbing up and down a mountain with a heavy load while also working on the next results page. Please police yourselves until then, opportunities to discuss military doctrines and ideas in the future.

I'll finish up the next results chapter soon, please hold off on anymore spiralling debates like this until then.
 
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