Bronze Mettle (MCU/DC SI)
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In the comicbooks, yes. On Earth XSI-1 the most questionable thing he's done is shotgun the last five minutes of memory for a few people who found out about his powers and definitely would have outed him. He once "suggested" that a grumpy cop not ticket him for going two mph over the speed limit. In college he read a few people's minds to win debate club, and for party tricks and to impress pretty girls. He removed the psychological aspect of one person's cigarette addiction, and strategically reminded one woman who hit on him how much she loved her husband. And several thousand less questionable uses over the course of his life.
Anyone can. So yes. She's not that desperate for company though.
The Jane ship was never really developed - you had Xavier stop Jane, pointed out that Jane might have a situational thing, and then completely dropped it (I get why- the story moved on). For my MCU shipping, I tend to like Jane with those who aren't portrayed as dumb jocks, so most Thor portrayals go out. Someone who could keep up with her brain, but also keep up with her craziness? Awesome.
Also, not sure of how I feel about people with powers having relationships with non-powered and powered people. There's the traditional stigma against dating co-workers - would rule out avengers dating avengers. But dating within means not having to keep secrets?
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Yeah, there wasn't really a good place to fit the civilians in this plot arc without it being filler fluff that breaks the pacing, and this arc is already one of the longest. It's probably all the new character introductions. I might have to insert a Slice of Life chapter or two between this arc and the next.
As for the other thing, if you're worried about having traumatic flashbacks of Tobey Maguire crying every half-hour of his whole trilogy, don't. No "break up with you to protect you" bullshit. No unnecessary secrets. No massive and easy to solve miscommunications. You can take that as a promise.
Edit: Thanks for the feedback, everyone. This fic will be better because of it.
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What about Skartaris? Could they even be the same place in this universe?
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A better name for The Savage Land. Sweet. Making it underground is also a pretty good way of explaining why it hasn't been explored to hell yet. Good call. Although I'm not gonna sacrifice the earth's molten core. It doesn't need to be that big, and how the fuck would that even work.
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Having just binged all of "Wolverine and the X-Men", Alex and I feel more informed to write a not-entirely-villainous Emma Frost, if that ever becomes necessary. Which it probably won't. But whatever. Side note: Why the fuck was that show cancelled? It kinda kicked ass.
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Faith in Warhammer40k is distinctly different than faith, primarily in that capital F Faith is the active process of belief in, and thus transferal of power to, a thing. The state of the local immaterium is directly effected by the emotional state of the people in the adjacent materium, so if you're scared and thinking about how horrible things are going to happen to you, the immaterium will pick up on this and mold to help those thoughts along. Your gun will jam, or your shots will take up a little more charge than they strictly should, or the Xenos will suddenly get a second wind and have a breakthrough push. Belief that the Emperor will protect you, with an absolute certainty, will help mold the immaterium in the opposite direction. The reason Commissars shoot and kill their own soldiers "Until moral improves" is literally because of this, because if you're not part of the solution, you are literally the problem and aiding the enemy no matter how unwittingly. It's a crapsack setting like that.
The translation for DC is that Souls in DC are literally magical constructs. Anyone can do magic, literally anyone, and a large part of magic is absolute belief(read: Faith) that a thing will happen. Knowing, with every fiber of your being, that your mind is protected might not fully protect your mind, but it'll go a long way towards helping any other defenses you have along.
I have no idea if any of that would translate to Marvel, though, so this all might be entirely meaningless for this story.
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i'd assume the same reason a lot of good cartoons get cancelled.
girls liked them as well....
and since the networks arent that intelligent, they cancel the show...
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On your first text wall that I didn't quote, I don't see the difference. One is that you believe something will happen. The other is that you believe something will happen? Where's the barrier? It kind of sounds like ordinary lower-case faith just works differently in that universe.
Now to the actually relevant part. The primary source of information on true magic in Earth XSI-1 is the Arrowverse "Constantine" series. As far as I can remember they never went into detail on the makeup of souls. But the way we see people using magic seems very much ritualistic. Not reliant on belief, or even understanding. College students burn the right ingredients in a pot and say the right words, and they get pulled into the resulting portal regardless of if they expected it, or if they were just there to get drunk. So real magic basically isn't going to help you on faith or Faith alone.
Ironically, "dimensional programming" spellcraft like Doctor Strange uses, despite explicitly not being real magic, relies on the power of belief to work. Alex's justification of that is that the "astral plane", otherwise known as the more physically adjacent corner of the Spirit World, is one of the dimensions that sorcerers manipulate and draw energy from. In fact, showing Strange his own astral presence is the first thing The Ancient One does before teaching him anything at all. Which actually makes SI a low-level sorcerer already.
But none of that lets an untrained non-telepath shrug off psychic attack just by trusting the universe to somehow make it fail. You need to actually do something, unless you have actual divine intervention on your side. And even that probably needs some kind of prayer.
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Not long ago i read Worm/Bloodborne fanfic, then go to sleep.
And in the dream I meet divine being... She was beautiful. But i cant see entire being, I needed eyes...
...and I was granted.
Remembering what many things in Bloodborne work through Dream, I can only hope what mine dream was just a dream.
Several days later i read another Worm/Bloodborne fanfic.
And again I have a dream. I dreamed about being part of expedition. I was scientist. That expedition was basically a whimsy of some rich man, I was in it just for a money. We hunted the myth, no one believed in it`s reality and everyone has fun. Until deaths started...
And then we catched the real divinity.
P.S. You live in version of Marvel - Multiverse there Gods and Divinity are real. And some of them are multidimensional. Actual divine protection is severe reality and gruesome need.
And in the dream I meet divine being... She was beautiful. But i cant see entire being, I needed eyes...
...and I was granted.
Remembering what many things in Bloodborne work through Dream, I can only hope what mine dream was just a dream.
Several days later i read another Worm/Bloodborne fanfic.
And again I have a dream. I dreamed about being part of expedition. I was scientist. That expedition was basically a whimsy of some rich man, I was in it just for a money. We hunted the myth, no one believed in it`s reality and everyone has fun. Until deaths started...
And then we catched the real divinity.
P.S. You live in version of Marvel - Multiverse there Gods and Divinity are real. And some of them are multidimensional. Actual divine protection is severe reality and gruesome need.
Assemble!
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It's time. It's finally time. It's the day of the first official Avengers meeting. Phil, Clint, Natasha, Rhodes, and Superman are already here. Now it's just time to wait for anyone else who might not even show up.
But since waiting is boring, we go ahead and start the party anyway. We rented a house in upstate New York. There's a cake, a fruit salad, stuffed baked potatoes, and a big bowl of Kool-Aid.
...I just remembered I promised Matt there wouldn't be Kool-Aid.
He's probably not gonna show anyway.
If no-one else shows up, then the only people meeting anyone for the first time will be Rhodes and Superman. I think Constantine at least is probably coming. He seemed receptive when we talked on the phone.
The doorbell rings. I run to answer it.
Oh hey! "Banner! I didn't think you were coming!"
He sticks his head inside and looks around, "I didn't think I was either, until yesterday."
I step aside and wave him in, "Come on in! We've got cake."
He comes in and I close the door behind him. First he looks at Superman. Then he looks at Mjolnir on the food table.
I glare at Coulson, "You couldn't find a better place for that?"
He gives a half-shrug, "It's heavy."
I momentarily reach to move it myself, before remembering that that's literally impossible.
Superman comes over and introduces himself to Banner, "Hi. Bruce, is it? I hear we'll be working together."
Bruce nods, "Superman. It's good to meet you. But I think the idea is for the other guy to work with you."
Um, uncomfortable. I give him a smile, "Bruce, I'm glad you're here. Let me know when you want to talk about... stuff. I know we can figure out something that makes both of you happy."
Clark asks, "So you and the Hulk... aren't… the same person?"
Bruce gives something between a headshake and a shrug, extremely noncommittal, "Xavier doesn't think so. I guess we'll find out."
"I promised to help him make peace with his self. ...Their, selves. With any luck the Hulk can be as normal a member of society as anyone else here." I put a hand on Bruce's shoulder. He flinches, and I retract the action.
Bruce jokes, "I would have let the other guy come in person, but I thought someone else might want to eat too."
Ugh. That's exactly the kind of joke I'd prefer he didn't make. Because he meant it as a joke. If I'm at all successful, Hulk could actually go to parties someday. It's not funny because it's at the Hulk's expense. That's not productive to a healthy brainshare.
Another ring at the door! "I'll get it!"
Constantine cleans up well. Not that he's that much cleaner, but he sells it a lot better.
I nod in greeting, "John Constantine. Welcome to the Avengers."
Jessica Jones walks up the front steps behind him. I wave at her.
Constantine turns around and even from behind I see him checking her out.
That's really not a good match. Like, there's no way that ends well for anyone.
I elbow Constantine in the side, "Don't even think about it."
Jessica approaches the door, "I hope that job opening is still available, 'cause I was supposed to be in my boss's office half an hour ago."
...I'm not stable enough to be the only one out here with these two. I need to get them inside.
Maybe recruiting both of them wasn't the best idea.
"Yeah, come on in. Both of you. You can meet the rest of the team."
But since waiting is boring, we go ahead and start the party anyway. We rented a house in upstate New York. There's a cake, a fruit salad, stuffed baked potatoes, and a big bowl of Kool-Aid.
...I just remembered I promised Matt there wouldn't be Kool-Aid.
He's probably not gonna show anyway.
If no-one else shows up, then the only people meeting anyone for the first time will be Rhodes and Superman. I think Constantine at least is probably coming. He seemed receptive when we talked on the phone.
The doorbell rings. I run to answer it.
Oh hey! "Banner! I didn't think you were coming!"
He sticks his head inside and looks around, "I didn't think I was either, until yesterday."
I step aside and wave him in, "Come on in! We've got cake."
He comes in and I close the door behind him. First he looks at Superman. Then he looks at Mjolnir on the food table.
I glare at Coulson, "You couldn't find a better place for that?"
He gives a half-shrug, "It's heavy."
I momentarily reach to move it myself, before remembering that that's literally impossible.
Superman comes over and introduces himself to Banner, "Hi. Bruce, is it? I hear we'll be working together."
Bruce nods, "Superman. It's good to meet you. But I think the idea is for the other guy to work with you."
Um, uncomfortable. I give him a smile, "Bruce, I'm glad you're here. Let me know when you want to talk about... stuff. I know we can figure out something that makes both of you happy."
Clark asks, "So you and the Hulk... aren't… the same person?"
Bruce gives something between a headshake and a shrug, extremely noncommittal, "Xavier doesn't think so. I guess we'll find out."
"I promised to help him make peace with his self. ...Their, selves. With any luck the Hulk can be as normal a member of society as anyone else here." I put a hand on Bruce's shoulder. He flinches, and I retract the action.
Bruce jokes, "I would have let the other guy come in person, but I thought someone else might want to eat too."
Ugh. That's exactly the kind of joke I'd prefer he didn't make. Because he meant it as a joke. If I'm at all successful, Hulk could actually go to parties someday. It's not funny because it's at the Hulk's expense. That's not productive to a healthy brainshare.
Another ring at the door! "I'll get it!"
Constantine cleans up well. Not that he's that much cleaner, but he sells it a lot better.
I nod in greeting, "John Constantine. Welcome to the Avengers."
Jessica Jones walks up the front steps behind him. I wave at her.
Constantine turns around and even from behind I see him checking her out.
That's really not a good match. Like, there's no way that ends well for anyone.
I elbow Constantine in the side, "Don't even think about it."
Jessica approaches the door, "I hope that job opening is still available, 'cause I was supposed to be in my boss's office half an hour ago."
...I'm not stable enough to be the only one out here with these two. I need to get them inside.
Maybe recruiting both of them wasn't the best idea.
"Yeah, come on in. Both of you. You can meet the rest of the team."
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So, who else is joining the team, especially when the Chitauri come knocking. Will Sif and/or the Warriors Three come - perhaps to find out who is the next bearer of Mjolnir? Tony Stark? Captain Steve Rogers? What about Luke Cage? How about Martian Manhunter aka J'onn J'onzz? The Black Panther? Also, will your SI and John Constantine head for Kamar-Taj for training in the mystic arts as sorcerers? If so, will Constantine instantly rub The Ancient One , Wong and Kaecilius (or worse) Karl Mordo - the wrong way? 
Do they get to meet Jonathan Pangborn - or even Iron Fist somewhere in the Himalayas? Please let me know. Thank you. 
Do they get to meet Jonathan Pangborn - or even Iron Fist somewhere in the Himalayas? Please let me know. Thank you.
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As soon as I can figure out a way to have him appear in the story in a way that makes sense, without arbitrarily making someone immune, and also without instantly rendering him unstoppable... He's crazy interesting. I want to bring him in. But he's difficult to write for without breaking one or more of him, the heroes, or the story.
What emblem? The Avengers "A" logo is implied to have been inspired by the single surviving letter of the Stark building sign after the Invasion of New York. It never appears in-universe in the first movie.
...Normal sized? Even if everyone they invited showed up, that's still only about a dozen people. That's a lot for a round cake, but square cakes basically start there and go up.
They're too busy in space to join the Avengers, even if they cared enough to, which they really don't. They might stop by at some point to meet the new Mjolnir wielder, but a team-up is unlikely unless something threatens Asgard.
Is an asshole who no-one wants to work with if they can possibly avoid it. Next.
At the bottom of the ocean in a block of ice. Next.
Doesn't have his powers yet. Next.
Busy working undercover inside the DEO. Next.
In Wakanda, which is one of the most isolationist nations in the world.
Constantine and Kamar-Taj have almost nothing to do with one another. Constantine uses magic. The Ancient One uses "dimensional energy" based sorcery. Totally completely different. And SI doesn't really feel like dedicating the months or years it would take to learn either technique.
Probably won't appear until his show comes out. Alex only knows of him from a few issues of Ultimate Spider-Man.
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Including Hulk?
Not liking that idea. Mjolnir, and Thor, are a huge part of Asgard - the weilder of Mjolnir is, for all intents and purposes, Thor. And Thor is the HEIR of the throne of Asgard. For the Warriors 4, or Loki, or a representative of Odin NOT to visit Coulson is unthinkable. They don't have to be a part of the main story, but I could easily imagine the W4 coming down and trying to bully Coulson orLoki doing the similar, especially after the treatment he gave Xavier earlier in the story.
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You only said everyone had to get a slice. You didn't say that would be a satisfying amount for them.
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Holding Mjolnir does NOT make someone Thor, by any definition. It only grants them his godly power. They aren't Odin's son, so they have zero claim to the throne. Mjolnir is a very powerful Asgardian weapon, so they may want to keep tabs on it and its owner. But the nature of the enchantment also ensures that it falling into "the wrong hands" is pretty much impossible, and not worth worrying about. The fact that Coulson can claim Mjolnir automatically makes him trustworthy as far as Asgard is concerned. But he's also still an alien, and every time Sif, Loki, or Odin see him holding Mjolnir is just a reminder of their loss. That makes it unlikely that he'll get invited to join the court anytime soon.
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I believe they said a "good" slice.
I really hope they kill him, honesty as much heroes have lines they don't cross but considering the things he done, killing him would stop any further problems down the line.
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I think in all of MCU and Arrowverse, only Daredevil has a strict no-kill rule. And it's hard to find out Kilgrave exists without seeing the trail of horrors he's left behind.
Krazyfan1
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quick question, how far is the range of his powers?
and is it straight up mind control or Pheromones?
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It's an airborne virus. Anyone infected with it is compelled to do anything they hear said in his voice, presumably because of some brain-altering effect. You might think that that would mean someone in a hazmat suit would be safe. But viruses don't stop at one person. And his has had over a decade to spread. Which means in all likelihood, every Avenger including SI is already infected. Whether this would affect people like Superman or the Hulk is up for interpretation. And since I don't want to illegitimize him as a threat, I interpret it as working just as well on them too.
Krazyfan1
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ah, i thought it had a time limit or something....
like, the virus only lasts a certain amount of time, so he has to reapply it...