Blood of the Gods: A Fantasy CKII Quest
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We can delegate that.
Due to the options we voted in, our kingdom is prosperous and the Dowager Queen has a good understanding of economics.
I'm not too sure about that army though. And I would find it better to actually lead campaigns so we get the credit and resulting Authority and glory rather than some general who could double cross us or commit treason.
Also, given we have High Stewardship and not much Martial, this very much is a put all your eggs in one basket vote.
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[X] RedV
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If you read the quote that you were providing to justify intrigue as a choice, it says that intrigue is *one* way around the problems with low authority. That's context dependent. If you look to the situation of writing the letter, it's hard to see how intrigue would be providing the major benefit over the diplomacy skill since it's open, clear communications relaying what we expect and attempting to convince our subjects that those desires should also be theirs. Eurydice's diplomacy stat is large enough that I think that has a pretty clear chance of success here despite the low authority (low authority or not, a letter from the child Pharoah is not nothing), and aside from that it's not the best of times to get uppity with the monarch when the sovereign's army is rolling directly their way.
I don't think Intrigue is really the best stat to go with, though of course we want to not have a terrible one for defensive purposes. I'd honestly love focusing on that if there was a small group of dedicated people willing to talk things out and hash out a solid plan, but the bulk of voters on SV don't fit that set-up. People stream in, look for whatever option immediately appears best/reminds them of some cool thing they saw in an anime, vote for that and then promptly check out until the update rolls around. That style is not conducive to carefully handling complicated intrigue unless the author really spends lots of extra time to just purge dumb options and come up with some sort of set-up where the main character can maintain some air of consistency.
Skill is acquired through practice, not through handing off the task at hand to more experienced persons. We can't exactly take charge of the army now without that causing a disaster, absolutely, but I fail to see why sending letters to our vessels regarding our expectations for logistics would leave us less knowledgeable regarding logistics than in the case of shoving it all off on the general.
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Yeah. But it is a way forward, and I like that way forward.
And Intrigue might not help with writing the letter- I just get tired of overdeveloping Diplomacy so hard and I'd like to focus and draw attention to other options. And who says we have to write the letter? Meeting our subject and interacting with an important commander instead of making demands to people who are professionals when we are a kid could very well prove more fruitful.
More than that, my issue with writing the letter is that it comes off as a child queen who hasn't been coronated yet digging into matters beyond her experience, when that aid isn't really needed. By contrast, when we meet Khui, Diplomacy absolutely helps us charm an important NPC. Smile, nod, be regal and tell him that the hopes of his monarch and country ride with him and give him a new starmetal sword or some other ceremonial token of our admiration for his services, and step one of cultivating an important contact is done.
Also, this quest has a fairly solid, dedicated voterbase, and the default options we get are pretty good most of the time. It shouldn't be a problem to sway votes for sensible Intriguing and scheming.
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No, tought that is one of the primary reasons, the other being the innate utility we get from the rites, and also a bunch of secondary things and half formed ideas.
How exactyl does a one poin diference equals to heavy suboptimal again ?
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Yeah. We need intrigue for one of those primary reasons, then. Not Piety.
And those rites mostly help us at flood times. Due to our father's work, we already have an advantage on flood rolls.
Not heavily suboptimal, but I would prefer to learn from our mom rather than a priest. And one point is at least somewhat significant. And Piety doesn't really appeal to me personally.
You do realize that screwing up the rites was grounds to sacrifice the pharoah?
Don't underestimate their importance. The nation feasts or starves on them
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Us screwing them up to that level that there is game over likely requires a critfail, which we chose the bonus on flood rolls to avoid.
Also, our Piety is decent. We'd need a very low Piety to get that horrible, and our Piety is solidly average.
This argument was never that we shouldn't rank up Piety at all. It will still level up naturally to around 12-14~. It was that we shouldn't take it as a focus, which means it is a speciality of the character.
There are dozens of more likely deaths than ritual sacrifice due to critfailing a roll we have no control over, including: Death by having your kingdom invaded, death by traitorous Viziers, death due to poisoning, etc which are more likely to happen.
Don't fearmonger.
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[X] Veekie.
Piety interests me. I like playing pious characters, if only as a change of pace. Not that red's vote isn't good as well, but I decided to pick the option that had Piety...admittedly it's going to lose, but ah well.
Piety interests me. I like playing pious characters, if only as a change of pace. Not that red's vote isn't good as well, but I decided to pick the option that had Piety...admittedly it's going to lose, but ah well.
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First, Piety was stated to help a lot with that, secondly you missed how ritual can boost rolls, so they help with pretty much everythig, lastly, I don't see where you got that we need intrigue for that, if we plan to bring people to our side the other stat we would need is diplomacy wich seensto be currently our highest score so we got that covered.
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He said we could deal with the Priesthood politically as well. And High piety explicitly does not co-opt the priesthood and is stated to interfere with intrigue actions.
Meanwhile, any sort of boosts to rolls we want we can get from Learning based magic instead of Piety based magic.
Diplomacy can help with bringing people to our side, but I don't want Piety to be a major thing. It can live with an average rating. There is no real reason to invest into piety here, not for this character.
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First, I know that, it is part of what I was speaking about.
Secondly, Piety was stated to not co-opt them by itself, important keyword there so it would at least help, like I said.
Third, the interference with intrigue was stated more as a possibilitie than an absolute, in the same vein you could say Martial may screw our intrigue (remenber the reckless trait?)
Overall you may need to work more on you reading comprension.
And you got this Idea from where again ? Because not only we don't know anything about said learning bsed magic but what we know indicates it is very range limited.
You know I can accept the first part of this, but the second isplain false, we have straigh up more actual reasons to raise Piety than Martial, unless instead of talking about this character you are talking about the character you want this one to be ?
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Uh, no?
We have every reason to raise Martial. We just talked to our main advisors about the fact that our vassals are rebellious and are just being informed of an important campaign.
We know that as a ruler, we will be expected to deal with this shit. Why is it not in character for Eurydice, who was established as having somewhat of a direct approach to problem resolution, to study war instead of sending prayers that she iisn't sure will do anything?
Like the option as it is for Piety is that Eurydice decides to pray to Gods who may or may not intervene, over studying a set of methods that are guaranteed to help against armed rebellion.
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Give me a quote from the GM that says that learning based magic is at a severe disadvantage against piety magic.
Because you know, a learning based user is the Royal Magician of Kemet. If the style is so pathetic, then our dad would have appointed a local piety based caster, who would have been easier to get.
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Well, ignoring your projected personal bias(because untimately she (and also us) has as much reason to believer prayer or study can help), ultimately we have more reason to reaise piety than matial because diferent form the former the later isn't realy expected from us and can be delegated. So yes Martial is less important to raise due to how unlikely not being able to delegate that would be.
First, stop making assumptionand work on your reading compreension, because this is already getting ridiculous, seriously try to grasp a bit better how the diferent doctrines work.
Now for the actual explantion lets start with relevant quotes :
Here we can see the relevant parts from when mother healed our friend, obviously her magic is gueled by her own reserves, but there is also the statement of how it is harder to heal other, also of note is how tiring the act is to her and how she needs to touch his head, based on that I assume there are range limitations to not even talk about the energy ones.
And here we have the explanation about the basis o piety magic, wich involves rituals to attain godly blessings, wich won't suffer from the limitations of the body due to their nature.
So everything indicates it has severely limited range (see how I never call it pathetic or just plain disadvantage ? thats is because I am being specific about the relevant aspects of both systems), so while a ritual could influence an entire campaign I doubt learning magic would have large scale effects or that would work whitout our pressence, thus you were wrong in stating we could get all the same bonuses from learning magic.Get it now ?
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This is pretty conventional for SV, but yeah, at least the option of personally going to war seems useful. Especially with what our mother said. I am hopeing we find a suitable military-aspected consort, we're probably going to need one.
This is pretty conventional for SV, but yeah, at least the option of personally going to war seems useful. Especially with what our mother said. I am hopeing we find a suitable military-aspected consort, we're probably going to need one.
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Man, you have your own bias too here. Stop calling out my statements as biased; it's not like yours aaren'.aren't.
We get it, you want Piety. I honestly ddon't think this is necessary.
The much touted roll bonuses can be understood as basically:
- Roll Piety and sacrifice valuable shit to the Gods and watch them hopefully see your begging with favour.
- Roll learning and use your awesome math and book skillz to come up with a cunning new plan which gives x mechanical bonus to an action.
- Roll stewardship and invest dosh and import/ build a new project for bonuses.
- Roll martial to raid and kill your enemies and take their shit, impose taxes on vassals, etc.
I'm not mad on that stat being Piety because I don't like being dependent on the leaving of our ancestors.
In the interest of clarifying this :
@Cavalier , can projects using Stewardship like the Ptah one our dad did give similar mechanical boni to Piety rituals?
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It's probably fair to say that a given god will respond more favorably to petitions in a huge new temple you built for them, and so on.
Though Authority is probably really why you want to build temples.
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i'm currently thinking that our long term strategy should be something like this:
- Diplomacy - Stewardship - Martial Triangle
Basically, the Martial side is that we invade neighbours, subjugate vassals on the Kanaan and all for dosh, looting treasures and slaves. This gives us authority. If we can, we should delegate some of this, but we want to be associated with campaigns and all.
The stewardship side is that we spin the dosh we get from warmongering into building stuff and uplifting the state of Kemet. This may include temples, it's not like we need to be zealously religious to throw cash at it. I'm sure Meryavy has a good Piety and can handle some blessings for us.
The Diplomacy side handles PR and gthering suitable allies. We gather our coterie and try and publicise our projects and all do get a good rep.
One possibility here is associating ourself with Sekhmet, the daughter of Ra, as the Lion queen who protects the pride or s9mething. Sekhmet is associated with health, so our major projects should include Hospices and upgrading armies to hold conquered territory and maybe a school for loyal bureaucrats given how corrupt the eunuchs are.
Anyone like this plan?
- Diplomacy - Stewardship - Martial Triangle
Basically, the Martial side is that we invade neighbours, subjugate vassals on the Kanaan and all for dosh, looting treasures and slaves. This gives us authority. If we can, we should delegate some of this, but we want to be associated with campaigns and all.
The stewardship side is that we spin the dosh we get from warmongering into building stuff and uplifting the state of Kemet. This may include temples, it's not like we need to be zealously religious to throw cash at it. I'm sure Meryavy has a good Piety and can handle some blessings for us.
The Diplomacy side handles PR and gthering suitable allies. We gather our coterie and try and publicise our projects and all do get a good rep.
One possibility here is associating ourself with Sekhmet, the daughter of Ra, as the Lion queen who protects the pride or s9mething. Sekhmet is associated with health, so our major projects should include Hospices and upgrading armies to hold conquered territory and maybe a school for loyal bureaucrats given how corrupt the eunuchs are.
Anyone like this plan?
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