Bleach: Derailed

We're talking about a guy whose plan to kill a Gillian was literally this. Emulating a guy who tries to swordfight with his mouth would be a step up.
Going from bad planning to actual stupidity is hardly a step up.
Zoro's bullshit works in One Piece because it's One Piece. This isn't One Piece, this is Bleach. The intentionally absurd and impractical style from a completely different franchise is a horrible thing to try and emulate in combat.

Holding a third sword in your mouth is valid if you need to carry it but your hands are full with other things (and you don't have a sheath like a normal sane person). Actually trying to fight with the sword in your mouth is just really dumb.
 
I was a fan of Naruto early on, and then lost interest partway through Shippuden when it became clear that it was devolving into the standard shonen power creep.

Given the whole Final Boss: Alien Princess Satan-chan thing, I think I was justified.
Most of the issues with Later Naruto were pacing and lack of foreshadowing. It wasn't actually stupid, or at least, wasn't any more stupid than it ever was.
But this is a Bleach quest, not a Naruto one, so I'll not go into it further to avoid a derail.
 
Q. What is canon?
A. Canon is the manga. the anime (except where contradicted by the manga), and the movies. Some things in the anime that don't fit the manga might be cherry-picked out, but if there's a contradiction, then ask first.

Q. The Wandenreich/Fullbringer/Aizen/Bount/Soul Society arc was bad, and I don't like it.
A. Some parts of Bleach were done badly, yes.

Q. Then why are you using them?
A. Because I can do them better.

Hmmmm bit ballsy there arent we
 
I've heard of him. I just don't think trying to emulate someone who tries to swordfight with his mouth is a good idea.


Ditto trying to emulate Killer B.
Going from bad planning to actual stupidity is hardly a step up.
Zoro's bullshit works in One Piece because it's One Piece. This isn't One Piece, this is Bleach. The intentionally absurd and impractical style from a completely different franchise is a horrible thing to try and emulate in combat.

Holding a third sword in your mouth is valid if you need to carry it but your hands are full with other things (and you don't have a sheath like a normal sane person). Actually trying to fight with the sword in your mouth is just really dumb.
Because my thoughts keep circling back to this I'm gonna talk some more about it and hope that if I do it'll stop bothering me.

Okay so the thing with triple wielding is it... can't be done by humans. Like straight up, we don't have enough prehensile appendages to support it. And if you're trying to wield a weapon without a prehensile appendage you've either physically strapped it to one of your limbs or you're just an idiot (although those aren't mutually exclusive possibilities).

"But Zoro holds a sword in his mouth," you say. "Zoro is notable for somehow making that work despite it being basically impossible to do so," I reply.

See, if you don't have a prehensile tongue, there's no way to adjust your grip or angle with the thing. So it's basically strapped in place for all the positioning variance it has, except you have to continuously strain your jaw muscles clamping down on it. Also it'll jar like a bitch whenever you actually hit something with it because teeth are not designed for shock absorption.

But what kind of sword are you using? A katana, you say? Well, that sucks for you, because katanas are slashing weapons, and unless your head is mounted on a 360 swivel, you straight up don't have the range of motion in your neck to make use of it. And if you try to turn with the rest of your body, you're interfering with your other two swords to make what will always be a subpar slash, in addition to telegraphing your everything. (Or you could try spinning like a top or something, but if you willingly present your back to an opponent like that you deserve whatever happens to you.)

What about a stabbing weapon? Well, stabbing weapons have to have thrust behind them, but since you're holding the sword in you mouth it's sticking off to the side, so the only way you're gonna get that thrust is by leaning sideways, which runs into the telegraphing issue above and really wouldn't be that strong anyway.

Why does telegraphing matter? Because while it may be easy to miss behind all the biggatons and bullshit, combatants in Bleach generally know what they're about. Late series Ichigo would absolutely destroy early Ichigo, even if they were put on even grounds biggatons wise, because he has more skill and experience. And honestly, compared to almost literally everyone else? Ichigo's technique ain't great.

So, big flashing neon signs that tell the other guy what you're trying to do are something you want to avoid, which rules out using your entire upper body to wield a mouth-sword, which in turn rules out having the power behind your hits to do anything with it.

I am completely serious when I say that Killer B, the guy in the Naruto pic from a page or so back, would be a batter choice to emulate for the purposes of multi-weapon fighting than Roronoa Zoro. B's fighting style may be ridiculous and impractical, but unlike Zoro's it's not as ridiculous and impractical as it looks at first, due to the fact that once he starts, most or all of his weapons are flying through the air at any given moment. Combat juggling is still really dumb as a fighting style, but at least it's not physically impossible to pull off.

TL;DR: Holding your sword in your mouth and trying to fight like that is really freaking stupid and you should never ever do it. If you want more than two swords, either accept that numbers three and up are backups for the first two, learn to juggle really good, or get some swords that can fly so you can use them hands free.
 
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Because my thoughts keep circling back to this I'm gonna talk some more about it and hope that if I do it'll stop bothering me.

Okay so the thing with triple wielding is it... can't be done by humans. Like straight up, we don't have enough prehensile appendages to support it. And if you're trying to wield a weapon without a prehensile appendage you've either physically strapped it to one of you limbs or you're just an idiot (although those aren't mutually exclusive possibilities).

"But Zoro holds a sword in his mouth," you say. "Zoro is notable for somehow making that work despite it being basically impossible to do so," I reply.

See, if you don't have a prehensile tongue, there's no way to adjust your grip or angle with the thing. So it's basically strapped in place for all the positioning variance it has, except you have to continuously strain your jaw muscles clamping down on it. Also it'll jar like a bitch whenever you actually hit something with it because teeth are not designed for shock absorption.

But what kind of sword are you using? A katana, you say? Well, that sucks for you, because katanas are slashing weapons, and unless your head is mounted on a 360 swivel, you straight up don't have the range of motion in your neck to make use of it. And if you try to turn with the rest of your body, you're interfering with your other two swords to make what will always be a subpar slash, in addition to telegraphing your everything. (Or you could try spinning like a top or something, but if you willingly present your back to an opponent like that you deserve whatever happens to you.)

What about a stabbing weapon? Well, stabbing weapons have to have thrust behind them, but since you're holding the sword in you mouth it's sticking off to the side, so the only way you're gonna get that thrust is by leaning sideways, which runs into the telegraphing issue above and really wouldn't be that strong anyway.

Why does telegraphing matter? Because while it may be easy to miss behind all the biggatons and bullshit, combatants in Bleach generally know what they're about. Late series Ichigo would absolutely destroy early Ichigo, even if they were put on even grounds biggatons wise, because he has more skill and experience. And honestly, compared to almost literally everyone else? Ichigo's technique ain't great.

So, big flashing neon signs that tell the other guy what you're trying to do are something you want to avoid, which rules out using your entire upper body to wield a mouth-sword, which in turn rules out having the power behind your hits to do anything with it.

I am completely serious when I say that Killer B, the guy in the Naruto pic from a page or so back, would be a batter choice to emulate for the purposes of multi-weapon fighting than Roronoa Zoro. B's fighting style may be ridiculous and impractical, but unlike Zoro's it's not as ridiculous and impractical as it looks at first, due to the fact that once he starts, most or all of his weapons are flying through the air at any given moment. Combat juggling is still really dumb as a fighting style, but at least it's not physically impossible to pull off.

TL;DR: Holding your sword in your mouth and trying to fight like that is really freaking stupid and you should never ever do it. If you want more than two swords, either accept that numbers three and up are backups for the first two, learn to juggle really good, or get some swords that can fly so you can use them hands free.
...I'm trying to come up with a funny 'but what if' question. Who would you like the most? Kenpachi, Ichigo, or Erza?

Also, never question anime biology. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, anime bodies are thousands of times more durable than real life.
 
Don't! Don't! Do you not know what 'don't' means!?
Does it mean that you don't want to be trained by Josh Groban I mean Aizen?

Why didn't canon Ichigo do that after seeing it?
Probably because... Huh. I was going to say that most of his fights were in urban environments where he wouldn't really have the space to do it, but that was only true of the first part of Bleach, wasn't it? I guess it just didn't fit his (extremely ad hoc and simple) fighting style.

Question, are the story posts are going to be thread marked right?
Once I get some more of them, yes.

Hmmmm bit ballsy there arent we
I have confidence in my ability to use elements such as foreshadowing.

Also I just realized how long it's been since I started doing this sort of thing. Have I really been writing fan works for five years? How?


Next time, on Bleach: Derailed!

[] It might be a good idea to be quiet for a while, and see how to blend in. You don't want attention.
-You take one of the asauchi from the wall as instructed, and black starts to edge up the blade. "Ssh." You whisper to it, "not now, later." You feel stupid, but get a feeling of

[] Who cares if you get a reputation? You had one when you were alive, and it didn't matter then either.
-"Now look here, if you're gonna have a fight then you've got to do it right!" The man insists. "Take ten paces back, introduce yourself, and then beat the shit out of each other."

[] You need to focus on graduating as soon as you can, not whether or not you're blending in.
-"What's the shortest time it ever took for someone to graduate?" You ask, and then when you're not heard over the whispers of hundreds you repeat yourself, louder. "Hey
 
Next time, on Bleach: Derailed!

[] It might be a good idea to be quiet for a while, and see how to blend in. You don't want attention.
-You take one of the asauchi from the wall as instructed, and black starts to edge up the blade. "Ssh." You whisper to it, "not now, later." You feel stupid, but get a feeling of

[] Who cares if you get a reputation? You had one when you were alive, and it didn't matter then either.
-"Now look here, if you're gonna have a fight then you've got to do it right!" The man insists. "Take ten paces back, introduce yourself, and then beat the shit out of each other."

[] You need to focus on graduating as soon as you can, not whether or not you're blending in.
-"What's the shortest time it ever took for someone to graduate?" You ask, and then when you're not heard over the whispers of hundreds you repeat yourself, louder. "Hey
...Sold.

[x] Who cares if you get a reputation? You had one when you were alive, and it didn't matter then either.
 
[] You need to focus on graduating as soon as you can, not whether or not you're blending in.
-"What's the shortest time it ever took for someone to graduate?" You ask, and then when you're not heard over the whispers of hundreds you repeat yourself, louder. "Hey
It's like my birthday came early!
 
Hmmm, I think either Gin or Hitsugaya hold the current record for fastest graduation, if my memory's correct.
 
[X] Who cares if you get a reputation? You had one when you were alive, and it didn't matter then either.

This preview seemed the most fun.
 
All three, I have rebuttals for all of them. :p
On the 'What If you are Kenpachi fucking Zaraki' He is crazy enough to attempt it. And considering how much damage he willingly takes, and how reinforced his body is with Spirit energy.

For the 'What if you are Ichigo' side, Bullshit amounts of plot armor, and he'd reason that if one sword makes him that strong, three makes him triple that.

And for 'What if you are Erza' she has already. And it worked to!
 
On the 'What If you are Kenpachi fucking Zaraki' He is crazy enough to attempt it. And considering how much damage he willingly takes, and how reinforced his body is with Spirit energy.

For the 'What if you are Ichigo' side, Bullshit amounts of plot armor, and he'd reason that if one sword makes him that strong, three makes him triple that.

And for 'What if you are Erza' she has already. And it worked to!
If you're Kenpachi then why are you even bothering, you don't need to.
If you're Ichigo, literally every issue I listed still applies.
If you're Erza, you can make swords fly with your mind, all bets are off.


Also I think you may have misunderstood my post somehow, because durability really isn't a factor into the issues with triple-wielding.
 
If you're Kenpachi then why are you even bothering, you don't need to.
If you're Ichigo, literally every issue I listed still applies.
If you're Erza, you can make swords fly with your mind, all bets are off.


Also I think you may have misunderstood my post somehow, because durability really isn't a factor into the issues with triple-wielding.
I did say it was meant to be a joke.

Also, Kenpachi could have half his head cut off and keep fighting. So, yeah, something such as tongue not being able to move the sword really doesn't matter to him.
 
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