Binary Stars (An Original Space Opera)

You know just because the Federation started with Gundam's doesn't mean that the other factions can't research and build their own.

Just saying.
 
You know just because the Federation started with Gundam's doesn't mean that the other factions can't research and build their own.

Just saying.
We wouldn't be Zeon if our enemies didn't out-research us because domestic politics, obsession with specialty units, insufficient industrial resources crippled our ability to end the war on a superior power.
 
You know just because the Federation started with Gundam's doesn't mean that the other factions can't research and build their own.

Just saying.

Just because the others CAN build them, doesn't mean being the idealogues in giant robots fighting for peace isn't the obvious best option.
 
We wouldn't be Zeon if our enemies didn't out-research us because domestic politics, obsession with specialty units, insufficient industrial resources crippled our ability to end the war on a superior power.
... You know I would say something witty, but then it would just be a reword of this.
Just because the others CAN build them, doesn't mean being the idealogues in giant robots fighting for peace isn't the obvious best option.
But... What if the other powers are better in certain ways?

Just because their autocracy's or dictatorships who can exploit the resources they have, in a war manner that can outproduce other, smaller powers.

Now obviously, all factions have advantages and disadvantages, which I clearly outlined in the pros and cons.
 
Just because the others CAN build them, doesn't mean being the idealogues in giant robots fighting for peace isn't the obvious best option.
But... What if the other powers are better in certain ways?

Just because their autocracy's or dictatorships who can exploit the resources they have, in a war manner that can outproduce other, smaller powers.
Listen to the QM. Ideals mean shit when you have one bullet and the enemy has fifty thousand guys. If the federation wants to win, it has to get resources and hold them. Something it's never really been able to do in its history.
 
Listen to the QM. Ideals mean shit when you have one bullet and the enemy has fifty thousand guys. If the federation wants to win, it has to get resources and hold them. Something it's never really been able to do in its history.
And always remember. The history of this world has been set in stone. So when you startup, what your nation gets, it's what you've got to work with.

Just saying.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Magoose on Nov 5, 2019 at 10:21 AM, finished with 60 posts and 18 votes.
 
Listen to the QM. Ideals mean shit when you have one bullet and the enemy has fifty thousand guys. If the federation wants to win, it has to get resources and hold them. Something it's never really been able to do in its history.
I mean, to me it sounds like the Federation may not even be fully exploiting what it does have to its fullest extent.

The Federation is the smallest force, but to me it seems the most reactive and the most open to changes. We likely have an edge in research initiatives compared to the other 2 powers.

All 3 powers have pros and cons, but I find the freedom and challenge of the Federation most appealing.

...Also Giant Space Robots.
 
Exactly! Freedom is good, ideological benevolence is good, adaptability is good, and, most importantly, GIANT ROBOTS.
 
I mean, to me it sounds like the Federation may not even be fully exploiting what it does have to its fullest extent.

The Federation is the smallest force, but to me it seems the most reactive and the most open to changes. We likely have an edge in research initiatives compared to the other 2 powers.

All 3 powers have pros and cons, but I find the freedom and challenge of the Federation most appealing.

...Also Giant Space Robots.
Yeah as much as I like memeing, this is the actual reason I picked the federation.
 
I mean, to me it sounds like the Federation may not even be fully exploiting what it does have to its fullest extent.

The Federation is the smallest force, but to me it seems the most reactive and the most open to changes. We likely have an edge in research initiatives compared to the other 2 powers.

All 3 powers have pros and cons, but I find the freedom and challenge of the Federation most appealing.

...Also Giant Space Robots.
You will not have control over the research if you are not head of state or a leader of a research group.

It will be kinda random if you are not in command.
Exactly! Freedom is good, ideological benevolence is good, adaptability is good, and, most importantly, GIANT ROBOTS.
But there is the problem of their pacifism that you need to deal with, something that will hinder you greatly for the entire quest if you are not careful.
 
But there is the problem of their pacifism that you need to deal with, something that will hinder you greatly for the entire quest if you are not careful.
I understand that, we need to unify our government and get out of this pacifistic mindset but that's part of the appeal to me, it's a challenge. The Mecha are just a plus too me
 
it seems the most reactive and the most open to changes.
That's where ya'll be wrong.
I understand that, we need to unify our government and get out of this pacifistic mindset but that's part of the appeal to me, it's a challenge.
Fun fact: The Federation's Executive is almost completely toothless because the various powers all see the other two empires and greatly despise their authoritarian governments. It's the legislature that really makes policy because nobody wants anybody to have significant power. Even the military is little more than a broader paper schema to coordinate whatever forces the constituent bodies feel like giving over.

To change the minds of every polity in the Federation without being labeled a would-be tyrant, to say nothing of staying in office and out of the battlefield the entire time, is going to be just as difficult as introducing a democratic system to the Security League or eliminate the corruptive inefficiency of the Empire. We made it a major flaw of the faction for a reason, you will not be getting rid of this major yoke around your neck any time soon.
 
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...Okay, so, @Magoose , are each of the 3 factions equally balanced in Pros and Cons, meaning there's valid reasons to choose them all?

Are they 3 different "difficulty levels"?

Or is one of them "better" or "worse" than the others?
 
...Okay, so, @Magoose , are each of the 3 factions equally balanced in Pros and Cons, meaning there's valid reasons to choose them all?

Are they 3 different "difficulty levels"?

Or is one of them "better" or "worse" than the others?
There is no "difficulty level", there is no objectively best faction. Just pluses and minuses to certain things. If there was a selectable difficulty level, we would have clearly and plainly put it as its own separate vote option. On a similar note, putting two shit options and one blatantly OP one is just very unintelligent QMing. All three factions are balanced. If ya'll want your mechs and non-backstabbing party members, get ready to pay out the ass in what you lack in exchange. Namely, resources and political control.
 
There is no "difficulty level", there is no objectively best faction. Just pluses and minuses to certain things. If there was a selectable difficulty level, we would have clearly and plainly put it as its own separate vote option. On a similar note, putting two shit options and one blatantly OP one is just very unintelligent QMing. All three factions are balanced. If ya'll want your mechs and non-backstabbing party members, get ready to pay out the ass in what you lack in exchange. Namely, resources and political control.
I think my frustration is that (whether this has been your intent or not) it's coming across that you're basically shitting all over the people talking about and getting excited about the Federation pick, while also blatantly campaigning for one of the other factions.
You being a co-GM/QM kind of muddies that water, yeah?
 
...Okay, so, @Magoose , are each of the 3 factions equally balanced in Pros and Cons, meaning there's valid reasons to choose them all?

Are they 3 different "difficulty levels"?

Or is one of them "better" or "worse" than the others?
I balanced them as best as I could if that is what your asking.

All of them have valid reasons to be chosen, even if you guys only see the surface of what I'm offering, because all the factions are more then just shallow ideology's.

They are factions who have survived a galaxy wide civilizational collapse. They have very good reasons to be the nations they are.

There are no difficulty levels. I would have made it part of the vote.

And really no faction is better or worse then the others, they are different and have different advantages or disadvantages.

None of the powers are op.

That is bullshit writing and I hate bullshit writing.

I think my frustration is that (whether this has been your intent or not) it's coming across that you're basically shitting all over the people talking about and getting excited about the Federation pick, while also blatantly campaigning for one of the other factions.
You being a co-GM/QM kind of muddies that water, yeah?
No he is just telling people to look deeper then just the surface of a factions pros and cons and what I have based them on.

Want gundams and super powerful robots? Congrats your part of a pacifist nation who hate war.

He is not a co-QM but he is one of the many many people who helped me build the world and create its rules.

He is just saying that I'm going to be following the pros and cons and the rules set out in this quest.

Choose the pacifist nation in a space opera about Galactic conquest? Be prepared to be shat on by people who do not like war!

It will a challenge that you guys will have to figure out.
 
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