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Alright, I'm giving this one last try and then I'm going to give up on you and spend my time on something more productive.
The reason I've lost patience with you is because when my views of the setting diverge from what's in the books, I am very clear about that fact. I lay out what the official material says, what it doesn't say, why I don't feel it makes sense as presented, and why I prefer my interpretation. You don't do this. You just make shit up and lie about it, and thereby, again, waste everybody's time. You don't even know where your views of the setting diverge from what's in the books, because you don't know what's in the books in the first place. It is humiliating to watch and frustrating to engage with.
This isn't limited to Warhammer lore, it also includes other peoples' posts in this very thread. Feel free to quote the post in this thread where I claim that Beastmen have a "great metal working industry". Feel free to quote the post in this thread where I claim, as you assert later, that "only the Humans of Sigmar's Empire think Beastmen Hate Civilization". You won't be able to, because I never claimed those things, and you have negative reading comprehension.
Your inability to back up anything you're saying is all irrelevant, in any case, because the original point you were trying to prove by making stuff up about Tzaangors was that Beastmen equipment could be a gift from the Chaos Gods, in the manner of Chaos armour, rather than something they make - despite looking and behaving exactly like mundane equipment made by Beastmen. This is patently absurd, but as I've now posted a passage directly stating that beast tribes don't receive these kinds of gifts, there's little point in continuing.
Go ahead. You won't find anything, because you're wrong, but feel free. Rife with misinformation though it is, the Warhammer Fantasy wikia has, in this instance, copied the relevant passage almost verbatim. Beast-paths are just roads, and the reason you haven't insulted my ability to do research is because I actually do research, I actually cite my sources, and I have thus far only stopped just short of giving actual page numbers. Whereas you make stuff up, misremember or misread other stuff, refuse to admit you're wrong, and waste everybody's time in the process.The Beastpaths are very much described in the Lore as having a magical Element to them by both the things from Human perspectives and that of the Wood Elf's as they go through they should not be able to are almost Impossible for any but the Beastmen to find and go into and through Places like Athel Loren best the Wood Elf's best effort's to find them, the Warheards that use them and destroy them. I was not using the Computer Game as a base but the Way the are talked about in the lore and Armybooks. I will spend some time looking for a good piece of text describing them a post it when I have the chance.
You could do better then just saying I just skimm the Wiki's since you want to go with the Beastmen having great metal working industry which you have no evidence for. I would appreciate a fewer amount of insults when I have not insulted your ability to doe research.
The reason I've lost patience with you is because when my views of the setting diverge from what's in the books, I am very clear about that fact. I lay out what the official material says, what it doesn't say, why I don't feel it makes sense as presented, and why I prefer my interpretation. You don't do this. You just make shit up and lie about it, and thereby, again, waste everybody's time. You don't even know where your views of the setting diverge from what's in the books, because you don't know what's in the books in the first place. It is humiliating to watch and frustrating to engage with.
This isn't limited to Warhammer lore, it also includes other peoples' posts in this very thread. Feel free to quote the post in this thread where I claim that Beastmen have a "great metal working industry". Feel free to quote the post in this thread where I claim, as you assert later, that "only the Humans of Sigmar's Empire think Beastmen Hate Civilization". You won't be able to, because I never claimed those things, and you have negative reading comprehension.
The first source I cited is from Realms of Chaos, the 1997 book that defined Warhammer's Chaos for the first time. The third source is the final Beastmen army book, from 2010. I have literally topped and tailed this topic. Don't go vagueposting at me about how things have "changed over the years". Post a source, of literally any kind, or admit you're wrong. It can be a link. It can be an image. It can be the name of a book. It can be a Google search phrase. It can be a vague description. Fire away! There's a first time for everthing.The things that have marked a Tzaangor have changed over the years and the post I was replying to their brought up the AOS Tzaangor's which is not the only way that a allegiance to the Change of ways has been shown. If you want I can go looking fit images I think are Gors devoted to Tzeench a post them, although I still have trouble getting images in my posts on this website, and you could tell me what you think.
Your inability to back up anything you're saying is all irrelevant, in any case, because the original point you were trying to prove by making stuff up about Tzaangors was that Beastmen equipment could be a gift from the Chaos Gods, in the manner of Chaos armour, rather than something they make - despite looking and behaving exactly like mundane equipment made by Beastmen. This is patently absurd, but as I've now posted a passage directly stating that beast tribes don't receive these kinds of gifts, there's little point in continuing.
I meant unique as in their is no general design or plan Beastmen build Chariots to and that they can be pull as by Tuskgor's as by Razorgors depending on what the Group of Beastmen can tie to the front.
They don't have their own Native Language that they came up with themselves because the Dark Tongue came first from Demons and came in to use by different factions connected to or devoted to the Dark Gods. Some have shown the ability to learn Languages as seen with Reikspiel but we have no evidence of a Language they came up with their own. The Dark Tongue is something they use but it is not "their" Language in as much as they use a Language they barrowed/know as servants of the Ruinous Powers.
Yes they lack the lack baroque armour and resplendent weapons the human servants of the Dark Gods yet you are saying they are fully capable of making that kind of armor and weaponry as you brought up weapons Minotaurs use even though there other being who use weapons of a similar size in the service of Chaos. That the Beastmen look down on the Human servants of the Four for those fancy pieces of weapons and armor
- Yes, Warhammer Fantasy takes place in a pre-industrial setting, and Beastmen are very much pre-industrial, well done. I don't know what you think "there's no standard Tuskgor Chariot design" is meant to prove? Hell, I don't think you know, at this point. What's the relevance of this increasingly stupid tangent?
- Reikspiel is a language derived from tribal dialects, Classical Reman, and Khazalid. Eltharin is a simplified version of a simplified version of the language used by the Old Ones. English is a jumble of far too many languages to count, and American is English wearing jeans and a cowboy hat. This is how languages work. If the Beastmen speak a distinct dialect of an older language, then they have a language. And even that is irrelevant, because the original point was that the Empire claims Beastmen don't speak a language at all, when they patently do, therefore we must acknowledge that the Empire can be wrong about Beastmen.
- Minotaurs don't wear Chaos armour, or carry "fancy pieces of weapons". They don't use "baroque armour and resplendent weapons" that dropped straight out of the Realms of Chaos. They use weapons and armour that look, in fact, exactly like weapons hammered together by Beastmen out of plundered metal, because that's what they are. That's the point of the passage. It is an explanation of why the Hordes of Chaos wear H.R. Geiger magic war plate, while the Beasts of Chaos are stuck with the leathers and axes they craft for themselves. That's the point.