I don't get why you want to throw out the Cannon for the Beastmen when it's not just Sigmar's Empire that says those things about the Beastmen but the Dwai, the Elves and everyone else.
I don't believe you. Prove it. Quote me an elven or dwarfish character asserting that beastmen do not make anything. Not your own assertion, not some unreliable wiki with a history of lying about its own citations - quote me chapter and verse.
So they can't loot shit from Greenskins even though some of their stuff looks a lot like Orc stuff with the Axes being chipped at the Blade edge in similar places and they can't get stuff from Chaos Factions even though Chaos Marauders use similar looking axes and and spiked mace. I don't get why you think they have this giant metal working system when creating the infrastructure need for they in anathema to what they are. I also did not say that they are incapable of working metal just that then can't work it to the same degree as the humans of other species can. Taking stuff from their enemies and then remaking it to a degree that it suits their purposes make a good deal of since to me for some of their stuff at least.
Sure, they
could be looting all their gear from greenskins. They're just patently obviously not doing that, because no, their axes don't look like orcish axes. I posted a spread of examples of beastmen models and art, you can't reasonably expect to lie to my face about this and not get called on it.
Like, orcish choppas have a pretty distinctive look to them! They're hatchets or meat cleavers or crude swords, with only the warbosses and their elites toting anything really recognisably battleaxe-y. Beastmen battleaxes might be chipped and worn, but if anything they look better made.
And no, when you say '
the metal armor that they have is stuff that they have looted from those they kill or had given to them by other Chaos Aligned groups not stuff they make themselves which is why no two are armored the same if they have any.', you
are saying that they don't work metal. If you want to amend your stance, sure, I'm happy to accept that, but don't play shell games with what you've been saying.
The Beastpaths are very much described in the Lore as having a magical Element to them by both the things from Human perspectives and that of the Wood Elf's as they go through they should not be able to are almost Impossible for any but the Beastmen to find and go into and through Places like Athel Loren best the Wood Elf's best effort's to find them, the Warheards that use them and destroy them. I was not using the Computer Game as a base but the Way the are talked about in the lore and Armybooks. I will spend some time looking for a good piece of text describing them a post it when I have the chance.
Beastmen Army Book said:
THE BEAST-PATHS
The vast forests of the Old World are crossed by a spider's web of paths only the Beastmen know. Where these paths cross, there is to be found a site that is in some way significant to the Cloven Ones. These beast paths are located deep in the forests, far from the towns and highways of Man, yet they are far from hidden. Though native to the deep woods, the Beastmen are not naturally creatures of concealment and guile. When passing through the dense woodlands they simply barge their way through the foliage and trample flat the undergrowth. Over millennia of use, the beast-paths have become deep ruts in the ground, strewn with the bones of the enemy and other detritus. So dense is the undergrowth that grows on the embankments, the chances are that no human tracker or huntsman seeking a beast-path would find one other than by pure happenstance. Any huntsman who did stumble upon a beast-path would be extremely wise to turn and flee, for a warherd might be travelling the path and his own bones may soon be added to those discarded upon it.
Mmm, yes, very mystical, clearly only the tainted energies of Chaos could have trampled dirt tracks through some forests over the course of millennia.
... Yes they lack the lack baroque armour and resplendent weapons the human servants of the Dark Gods yet you are saying they are fully capable of making that kind of armor and weaponry as you brought up weapons Minotaurs use even though there other being who use weapons of a similar size in the service of Chaos. That the Beastmen look down on the Human servants of the Four for those fancy pieces of weapons and armor
We do have evidence of Beastmen gaining blessing and gifts from the the Dark Gods with things like Taurox's Runetortured Axes to name just two. ...
No, we're saying that they patently obviously have a smithing tradition fit to equip themselves with the kind of arms and armour they use (because they're obviously not looting it from their enemies, because none of their enemies have appropriate gear to be looted), not that they're out there making Chaos Armour. In turn, Taurox's magical axes really aren't a point in favour of your argument, because yes, Taurox does have a pair of magic axes, and this is part of what makes him, y'know, Taurox, a famed special character of the faction, an exceptional figure whose panoply says nothing about the average gor or minotaur.
You could do better then just saying I just skimm the Wiki's since you want to go with the Beastmen having great metal working industry which you have no evidence for. I would appreciate a fewer amount of insults when I have not insulted your ability to doe research.
I'm going to be blunt: if you don't want to get called on doing dogshit research, don't do dogshit research. Revlid and I are entirely open in acknowledging what canon is and why we're dismissing it (that is, because it's nonsense), and have put up significant evidence in support of that stance. We're the ones who have been explicitly citing sources like model lines, in-setting art, specific books and pages, as well as broader information like historical perspectives on nomadic peoples and Imperial Rome's contradictory narratives about 'barbarian' tribes, all in service to showing that we know the canon and are interpreting it with a critical eye. You have not done any of this, which is frankly embarassing when your stance is an appeal to the authority of a canon which you cannot even demonstrate you
know.
