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Best In Life - Imperial Knight Order Quest [Warhammer Fantasy]

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Lord Hater said:
Wait she dislikes intellectuals! Dude like everyone in this forum is either an Intelectual or a psuedo-intelectual so how are we going to root for that? :V

What's her stance on Artillery crews and Gunnery school? Architects? Does she like math at least?
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They can throw fireballs and operate cannons, they're okay. It's the scribes and burgomeisters that can't and won't fight that she's pissed off about.
EVA-Saiyajin said:
I'm willing to bet Johanna, between her experience, bloodline and education, and time with the Long March has a better idea than most about how much the word teters.

It's one thing to know about the hordes of the north and in the forest ever trying to destroy civilization, another thing to have an idea of how there's this so very precarious network tied to SOMETHING that may very well be preventing the apocalypse.

Just as well the standard enemies of the Empire are Beastmen and Greenskins, we'll do well at tearing apart their cohesion by killing their leaders.

@Swordomatic

Do you have a tier list of sorts for Martial, to give an idea as to where we stand and will stand in the future growth?
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Right now Johanna, with her beefy Martial 36, is one of the best warriors and generals in the Empire, very definitely Reiksmarshall material if Kurt Helborg ever kicks the bucket. She's one of the best duelists in the Old World, and most scary things straight up fail against her. Alone, she can give Chaos Warriors a run for their money. With support, she can probably beat a Chaos Lord, though it could go either way.

She is still human, though, and hasn't learned to surpass her mortal flesh. Until then, she's still behind the powerhouses of the setting, like Tyrion and Archaeon.
No7sHere said:
@Swordomatic what does increased Vitality actually mean in mechanical terms?
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She won't die as easily from disease and childbirth, and it essentially gives her a higher threshold to cross before critical wounds become fatal wounds.
 
Swordomatic said:
Right now Johanna, with her beefy Martial 36, is one of the best warriors and generals in the Empire, very definitely Reiksmarshall material if Kurt Helborg ever kicks the bucket. She's one of the best duelists in the Old World, and most scary things straight up fail against her. Alone, she can give Chaos Warriors a run for their money. With support, she can probably beat a Chaos Lord, though it could go either way.

She is still human, though, and hasn't learned to surpass her mortal flesh. Until then, she's still behind the powerhouses of the setting, like Tyrion and Archaeon.
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Well then time to solve that through the time honored method of acquiring all the magical swag.
 
Ok what I'm getting from Swordo's post is that we're functionally approaching the human limits of Skill and fitness and to get even better what we need to do is surpass our human limits. Conveniently we have a trait that if we continue to improve it will let us do exactly that!
 
5 miles would be impressive, but there was actually an ancient greek type of race called the hoplitodromos which in some formed involved a run in armor and with a shield of about 2 miles.
 
The Fay Paths trait will be extremely useful. Why? Because most of the Europe-sized Empire of Man is covered in a gigantic, impossibly dense, filled-with-skyscraping-trees forest. And most of that forest is filled with gribblies.

Swordomatic said:
Right now Johanna, with her beefy Martial 36, is one of the best warriors and generals in the Empire, very definitely Reiksmarshall material if Kurt Helborg ever kicks the bucket. She's one of the best duelists in the Old World, and most scary things straight up fail against her. Alone, she can give Chaos Warriors a run for their money. With support, she can probably beat a Chaos Lord, though it could go either way.

She is still human, though, and hasn't learned to surpass her mortal flesh. Until then, she's still behind the powerhouses of the setting, like Tyrion and Archaeon.
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That's honestly pretty damn, if not extremely impressive given a complete lack of magical equipment or notable divine support. Compared to those two who are top of the line in bloodline/divine support and equipment.

It may very well be possible to actually become a great legend.

Of course, this comes at the cost of starting pretty low in terms of prestige and sponsors and notable information, but hey. A specialist just has to leverage what they're good at.
 
Icipall said:
And training montages.
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Mmm, but only for specific things like the martial arts. I'm pretty damn certain barring ludicrously inefficient amounts of regular training we're scraping our limits of what can be gained from regular training of "basic" stuff. We need new sources (like from other countries) or personal trainers superior to us to get anything from regular training in an efficient and timely manner.
 
No7sHere said:
5 miles would be impressive, but there was actually an ancient greek type of race called the hoplitodromos which in some formed involved a run in armor and with a shield of about 2 miles.
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And Zulu Warriors were considered cavalry by the British command due to how long and fast they could run, barefoot mind you. Although to be fair they weren't wearing heavy plate but the point still stands.
 
ctulhuslp said:
worst protagonist
0/10 would go into Kislev without winter gear and well-oiled supply train because "bureaucrats are useless logistics are a hoax" again
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what if those bureaucrats spent all day arguing about tax breaks and stimulus packages in an age where 'oh god monsters are swarming from the drakwald everyone flee' is a real concern though

Besides, Johanna has gone campaigning before. She's well aware of the importance of logistics and an effective supply chain. She's frustrated at the people who bicker instead of worrying about the very real wolves at the gates.
 
Swordomatic said:
what if those bureaucrats spent all day arguing about tax breaks and stimulus packages in an age where 'oh god monsters are swarming from the drakwald everyone flee' is a real concern though

Besides, Johanna has gone campaigning before. She's well aware of the importance of logistics and an effective supply chain. She's frustrated at the people who bicker instead of worrying about the very real wolves at the gates.
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I'm guessing that if some traitor (Not a Chaos traitor mind you, more like a guy undermining Imperial efforts to line his own pockets) tried to pull some legal or political nonsense to get out of some his punishment we'd be the sort of person who would just MURDER DEATH KILL him.
 
Swordomatic said:
what if those bureaucrats spent all day arguing about tax breaks and stimulus packages in an age where 'oh god monsters are swarming from the drakwald everyone flee' is a real concern though

Besides, Johanna has gone campaigning before. She's well aware of the importance of logistics and an effective supply chain. She's frustrated at the people who bicker instead of worrying about the very real wolves at the gates.
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I mean, she herself recognizes she has no head for such things, so it's okay for her to believe such way.

But, like. Danger being close does not mean economics stop existing? And you cannot feed a city by resolve or solve housing crisis by punching bureaucrats.

People tend to argue because questions are fucking complex.
And because they are corrupt and lazy assholes, this too can often be the case. Not nearly always though.

But, again, we have brother to ensure that the empire works, our job is just to punch things he tells us to punch. So, not our problem.
 
ctulhuslp said:
I mean, she herself recognizes she has no head for such things, so it's okay for her to believe such way.

But, like. Danger being close does not mean economics stop existing? And you cannot feed a city by resolve or solve housing crisis by punching bureaucrats.

People tend to argue because questions are fucking complex.
And because they are corrupt and lazy assholes, this too can often be the case. Not nearly always though.

But, again, we have brother to ensure that the empire works, our job is just to punch things he tells us to punch. So, not our problem.
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We are his beatstick/murderblender.
 
Swordomatic said:
Inhuman Drillmaster: You spent years as a firsthand witness to the impossibly fluid coordination of the Asur, and it has left you with no patience for normal human standards. You know that you'll never witness such a height of wordless discipline in your subordinates again, but damn the gods you're going to try - no matter the strain it puts them under. (Your troops are highly disciplined, but their morale suffers from your impossibly-high standards)
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This is morale as described in Mount and Blade: Warband:
Morale represents the ability and willingness of the troops in a party to summon up the endurance, bravery, and discipline they need to face the stresses of battle and the march. It is not the same thing as the troops' happiness. Elite troops may grumble and whine about the hardships of campaigning -- but then stand together as one when the arrows start to fly. On the other hand, a commander who gives his men everything they want may find that they grow soft, and waiver before the enemy's charge.
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While the increased discipline may decrease mood, I don't really see how it can decrease morale. Discipline is the kind of thing that increases morale, not decrease it.
 
I dunno, I find it pretty plausible that exceedingly strict discipline can lead to poor morale, especially if you're trying to catch up to an impossible idea like the Asur phalanx.

It's one thing to train day in and day out and be expected to achieve excellent results; it's quite another to be ran to the bone and expected to achieve superhuman effort on demand, even if your commander is the sister of Emperor himself. At some point men will start growing resentful of the discipline, and begin question whether it's really the question of their officer's standards, or if they themselves are lacking somehow, or something else entirely.

I imagine what it means is that in practice our regular troops would be intelligent on command level, swiftly respond to orders and have overall superior skill, but their actual faith in us would be low. Ironically, I wouldn't be surprised if Johanna's regulars were a rather poor fit for the really powerful shock attacks. They can probably hold the line against a lot of stuff, but throw something that can power through ordinary human battleline with little difficulty, and they'll leg it pretty quickly.

On the flipside, our build is probably perfect for locking down these things personally before they become a problem.

Unless it's something like Archaon or Malekith, in which case we'll maybe get a second of magnificent glory before we get disemboweled like common infantryman :V
 
Alastor Mobius Toth said:
I dunno, I find it pretty plausible that exceedingly strict discipline can lead to poor morale, especially if you're trying to catch up to an impossible idea like the Asur phalanx.

It's one thing to train day in and day out and be expected to achieve excellent results; it's quite another to be ran to the bone and expected to achieve superhuman effort on demand, even if your commander is the sister of Emperor himself. At some point men will start growing resentful of the discipline, and begin question whether it's really the question of their officer's standards, or if they themselves are lacking somehow, or something else entirely.

I imagine what it means is that in practice our regular troops would be intelligent on command level, swiftly respond to orders and have overall superior skill, but their actual faith in us would be low. Ironically, I wouldn't be surprised if Johanna's regulars were a rather poor fit for the really powerful shock attacks. They can probably hold the line against a lot of stuff, but throw something that can power through ordinary human battleline with little difficulty, and they'll leg it pretty quickly.

On the flipside, our build is probably perfect for locking down these things personally before they become a problem.

Unless it's something like Archaon or Malekith, in which case we'll maybe get a second of magnificent glory before we get disemboweled like common infantryman :V
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Too much training can hurt morale. Having to do the exact thing even though you know you can do that job well is frustrating. So prolonged training can lead to issues. But that's me personal and in the end it's a quest.
 
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