- Location
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Doesn't necessarily means he kills them after he drinks from them and there have been a few good vampires before so it's not unheard-of
Best In Life - Imperial Knight Order Quest [Warhammer Fantasy]
- Thread starter Swordomatic
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Zedman7054
Eternally 3rd
- Location
- United States
I'm not saying he couldn't do it. I'm saying, he might not consider it worth upsetting hundreds, if not thousands, of nobles of all levels. Part of any reason a king, or emperor, or any kind of ruler is allowed to rule, is because the people allow him to lead them. When leaders make a lot of small mistakes, or some big ones, it can spell the end of their career, divinely appointed or no. Louen might just decide he'd rather have some small war with the Empire over some count's wife not cooperating than trying to talk in out between him and Franz. You said it yourself, The Empire and Bretonnia have been rivals for centuries, another war is not that big of a deal.
ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
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- Holy Terra
What ? So it always makes sure to only drink less than or equal to 30% of a Human's blood and it has the absolute control necessary to avoid drinking more despite the fact that it needs blood to avoid losing its sanity and form ?
No, Bretonnia is not governed by the consent of the people. Bretonnia is governed by the consent of the Goddess who chose Louen to be king. This is a theocratic monarchy. Unless the Goddess decides otherwise, the King's will is absolute.
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- Memphis, TN
It's not unlikely that he has multiple thralls to feed from when he has too.
He may not completely moral but that doesn't make him evil persay though I'll wait for Swordomatic's answer about him
Edit: Also maybe Beastmen and Ork blood works as a substitute to stave off hunger.
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Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
- Location
- Cold snow fields of Finland
Concerning Bretonnia, @Swordomatic , is Lady of the Lake's identity in this quest the same as in canon, or will you come up with something of your own?
ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
- Location
- Holy Terra
Just what exactly is the reason for your desire for an abomination with corrosive dark magic maelstrom in place of a soul to be morally good ?
Considering Swordo hates the End Times, the Lady is liable to be the Spirit of Bretonnia and not an Elven puppet master. Something like the 8th edition Wood Elves book maybe.
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Because a morally good Vampire is better than a psychotic evil Vampire also a moral Vampire can be convinced to help fight greater threats like Chaos in dire situations.
ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
- Location
- Holy Terra
A morally good vampire, never mind what a contradiction such an existence would be, wouldn't be our fucking Nemesis if it could be converted that easily. This is delusional.
90% certain that one or both are poisonous to Vampires.
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I never said he was good that's why I asked Swordomatic if he has killed any innocents to our knowledge
Also there are good Vampires for example in the Gotrek and Felix novels we meet two of them and there are probably more that I'm forgetting.
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
To my knowledge vampires can drink blood from anything living, including orcs and beastmen. Not saying anything about the taste, though.
@Swordomatic
Can you verify if I remember correctly?
- Location
- Singapore
He's slaughtered villages and murdered good men for the sake of his twisted love, and Johanna is not his first such love. Your nemesis is very much not a good person.
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- Singapore
She is quite familiar with Ludwig Schwarzhelm, yes. He was the Imperial Champion during the rule of Emperor Luitpold I, and he's the main obstacle in Karl Franz's plan to put his sister as the Imperial Champion - because Ludwig refuses to have anyone but the best be in his position, and he's legitimately the best.
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Last thing: Update is finally written. Once it passes through editing, I'll put it up and we can MOVE.
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
Can't really argue with that logic.
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Basically. There are border skirmishes and minor wars, but they tend to hand together against the forces of destruction when necessary and in general.
A good life is one filled with entertainment.
Thank you very much for your contributions to that in a very strong way.
Good for him. I intend to surpass the best eventually, but good for him.
Glad that bit of TT stats is subverted, given his inferiority to Kurt there.
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ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
- Location
- Holy Terra
They would do well to avoid doing such if they have any self preservation instincts, drinking blood of lower quality than Humans will fuck up a Vampire. Orks are too bestial and Beastmen are too corrupt. Vargheists happen if they consume too much corruption.
Vargheist
- Location
- Memphis, TN
Okay good to know well better get the stakes and holy water ready.
Icipall
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So they can drink it, but if they drink too much without something better like human blood it will have bad effects on them. I remembered them becoming more beastly like if they did that, but I had forgotten about Vargheists.
Zedman7054
Eternally 3rd
- Location
- United States
We've had kings divinely chosen by the gods too. The idea of a Theocratic Monarchy is not a foreign concept I can't understand.
All I am saying, is that the nobles of Bretonnia have expectations in how their king will act. And if he doesn't act like how they think he should act, they, the nobles, can do many things in response. Yes the likelyhood of outright rebellion is slim.
But, they could do many other things to show their displeasure and lack of respect. Holding back on taxes and tithes, not lending support to Leoun's endeavors not directly linked to Bretonnia's survival, not lending any aid to him period.
Even then, I doubt one count's honor duel with the Emperor's sister will result in any of that. But, as I said. It's not that I think he can't do it. It's that I think, Leoun might think angering a large number of his own people, the noble's who actually police the land and directly lead the peasant on the loose lands and whom are responsible for the lion's share of the mundane work that makes a kingdom run and can make his life much harder if they decide to spite him for not backing the count's win, is not worth a battle or two, or some diplomatic conflict, or some other kind of strained tensions with the empire. As you said, Bretonnia and The Empire are rivals. There is blood split between them in the past. What is one more conflict?
To sum it up, it's about politic's not ability and that what Leoun could do is not what he would do.
Furthermore, that's the last I want to talk about this for now. I have my opinion on this and you have another. And neither of them are important yet. This quest hasn't even had a chapter not devoted to character creation and I don't want to start an argument about something that might not even happen.
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I would think that greenskins are fine, but probably taste bad, and don't really provide nearly as much. That's a quantity over quality situation, and few vampires are willing to sacrifice the latter in any form. Even the Strigoi in their maddened state prefer rotting corpses of non-greenskins, or vermin.
But it's certainly not just humans. It relates to souls, and the immaterium, as much as it does to the physical body. Here's a quote from Ariette von Carstein:
"Halflings are watery and bland, Dwarfs thicker to the point of being flat and stagnant. One does not drink such things unless one absolutely has to. Elves are like well-aged calret - rich but often overly sweet, a treat best reserved for special occasions or a dessert. Personally, I prefer a Kislevite - of Gospodar descent if possible - but they are a little strong to serve at a dinner party."
So, yeah, probably beastmen blood is bad for them, corrupted as it is, but I doubt they would become a Vargheist just from feeding on them. Necrarch's can feed solely on Dark Magic and warpstone without transforming into Vargheists. Really, Vargheists appear as a result of total lack of control, and their natural dhar-sink nature drawing the dark magic into them without their own control or ability to do anything but fester in body and mind. Usually trapped in coffins or cave-ins or whatever. And it's the total lack of fresh blood which factors in as well, as their desperate need for fresh blood is what locks the transformation end after it all. Freshness is essential, it seems. But I'm pretty sure they could just drink greenskin blood if they need to, at least when it comes to staving off the thirst. Not as potent as human blood, but then again, needs must when it comes down to it for more pragmatic vampires. Or they could drink a giant, like Meloch the Giant Killer, and apparently stave off the thirst for a century afterward and grow stronger. Or so it is said. Or gryphons, or wyverns. These too, beasts most certainly even more than greenskins can be, still work enough for the Blood Dragons determined enough to go find and drink from them. So you can't even restrict what a vampire can drink by bipedal nature, really.
Either way, it takes a considerable amount of corruption, decades by the Von Carstein variety, to twist into that. I'm reasonably sure that a vampire could eat more than a few beastmen and not go the same route. They'd probably be affected by it, certainly, but nothing like becoming a Vargheist. More like eating not good nor particularly filling food.
But it's certainly not just humans. It relates to souls, and the immaterium, as much as it does to the physical body. Here's a quote from Ariette von Carstein:
"Halflings are watery and bland, Dwarfs thicker to the point of being flat and stagnant. One does not drink such things unless one absolutely has to. Elves are like well-aged calret - rich but often overly sweet, a treat best reserved for special occasions or a dessert. Personally, I prefer a Kislevite - of Gospodar descent if possible - but they are a little strong to serve at a dinner party."
So, yeah, probably beastmen blood is bad for them, corrupted as it is, but I doubt they would become a Vargheist just from feeding on them. Necrarch's can feed solely on Dark Magic and warpstone without transforming into Vargheists. Really, Vargheists appear as a result of total lack of control, and their natural dhar-sink nature drawing the dark magic into them without their own control or ability to do anything but fester in body and mind. Usually trapped in coffins or cave-ins or whatever. And it's the total lack of fresh blood which factors in as well, as their desperate need for fresh blood is what locks the transformation end after it all. Freshness is essential, it seems. But I'm pretty sure they could just drink greenskin blood if they need to, at least when it comes to staving off the thirst. Not as potent as human blood, but then again, needs must when it comes down to it for more pragmatic vampires. Or they could drink a giant, like Meloch the Giant Killer, and apparently stave off the thirst for a century afterward and grow stronger. Or so it is said. Or gryphons, or wyverns. These too, beasts most certainly even more than greenskins can be, still work enough for the Blood Dragons determined enough to go find and drink from them. So you can't even restrict what a vampire can drink by bipedal nature, really.
Either way, it takes a considerable amount of corruption, decades by the Von Carstein variety, to twist into that. I'm reasonably sure that a vampire could eat more than a few beastmen and not go the same route. They'd probably be affected by it, certainly, but nothing like becoming a Vargheist. More like eating not good nor particularly filling food.
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
I suspect greenskins can be very filling, but it depends on their strength. Something like a Warboss would be quite a prize to a vampire - but then, a Warboss is something that can grapple with a vampire on something like even terms.
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Well, in Neferata they drink from Beastmen without any issue.
Of course, they were Progenitor and 2nd generation vampires.
I'd have to reread to answer on Greenskins.
Of course, they were Progenitor and 2nd generation vampires.
I'd have to reread to answer on Greenskins.
Icipall
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I heard that in a book "Master of Death", W'soran the Wicked drank orc blood and gained an invigorating rush from it.
Oh, absolutely. A nice strong Warboss would probably be considerably filling, compared to, say, a band of skittish forest goblins.
Either way, based on the information Swordo has given, with villages burned/good men dead/Johanna not being the first 'love' of his, I'd suspect that whatever the guy drinks regularly, or has drunk, doesn't matter as much as the facts we already know.
He is Bad(tm).
Johanna is Good(tm).
There will be be only purging for him, and the crushing of skulls of his servants. He will not be turned aside by anything less, more likely than not, by anything other than his utter annihilation.
And I can jive with that no problem.
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