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tankdrop24 said:
This is the same US Government whose response to a few employees staying behind in a dangerous position and winding up learning a few things they aren't suppose to know in the process is 'shoot in back of head', remember.
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This is the same US government whose plan to counter a rogue Metahuman/Evil Superman was to assemble a crack squad of criminals whose skills ranged from "Expert Shot" to "Uses Boomerangs" to "Can Wear Hot Pants Without Getting A Wedgie".
 
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tankdrop24 said:
...Yes, it does.

The real world government may be staggeringly incompetent at times, but there's a difference between that and being a knockoff of the Umbrella Corperation.
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There are plenty of governments that kill people to keep secrets.

Mister Bad Guy said:
Well, no, but that's not the point. The point is that this is Amanda Waller - one of the premier masterminds of the DCU, who essentially ran the world for a decent period - and they decided the best way to express this would be to have her act like a joke 40k Inquisitor.
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No she was instituting a cover up. First rule of a cover up is to kill anyone that isn't indispensable. Fewer people able to talk about the incident the better.
 
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VolantRedX said:
You say that like it only happens in movies.
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Not in Western democracies it doesn't, which is surprising considering the tons of shady shit the US government actually did in real life.
Mister Bad Guy said:
The point is that this is Amanda Waller - one of the premier masterminds of the DCU, who essentially ran the world for a decent period - and they decided the best way to express this would be to have her act like a joke 40k Inquisitor.
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I'm not opposed to this characterization actually, Waller's characterization was one of the good things in this movie.
 
If you're going to talk about Suicide Squad, do it in the actual Suicide Squad thread.
 
all fictions said:
Not in Western democracies it doesn't, which is surprising considering the tons of shady shit the US government actually did in real life.
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VolantRedX said:
Yeah, sure that's how that would happen.
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Because murdering people to cover up stuff tends to fail miserably once you get past a certain level of development/complexity.
A. People are social animals, and tend to have family members/friends who will start looking into where they went.
B. As people have noted elsewhere, killing people who work for you tends to result in a very shitty, inexperienced work environment, because no one wants to work with people who regularly murder underlings.
C. Because the vast majority of the time, people are perfectly willing to help cover shit up for a decent paycheck and/or patriotism.
It didn't even work in the movies. Waller had to have Batman cover her ass at the end over everything.
 
DanielJH2112 said:
Hmm.

Iron Man cost $140 million and made $585.2 million.
The Incredible Hulk cost $150 million and made $263.4 million
Iron Man 2 cost $200 million and made $623.9 million

Man of Steel cost $225 million and made $668 million
Batman v Superman cost $250 million and has made $530.4 million
Suicide Squad was budgeted for upwards of $250 million before the reshoots...

Assuming BvS tops out at $750 million, Suicide Squad just has to break even to match where Marvel was at by their third movie.
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Revisiting this...

Iron Man cost $140 million and made $585.2 million
The Incredible Hulk cost $150 million and made $263.4 million
Iron Man 2 cost $200 million and made $623.9 million

Man of Steel cost $225 million and made $668 million
Batman v Superman cost $250 million and made 872.7 million
Suicide Squad allegedly cost $175 million and has made $497 million so far.

So comparing third movie totals,..

Marvel: $982.5 million
DC: $1,387.7 million

Technically DC is in the lead.
 
Honestly, I, like the casual movie goer, never think of The Incredible Hulk as part of the MCU.

I didn't even realise it was part of the MCU until someone mentioned it a few months ago on Spacebattles.

That said, I never saw it, so maybe Samuel Jackson appeared at the end of that movie as well.
 
DanielJH2112 said:
Revisiting this...

Iron Man cost $140 million and made $585.2 million
The Incredible Hulk cost $150 million and made $263.4 million
Iron Man 2 cost $200 million and made $623.9 million

Man of Steel cost $225 million and made $668 million
Batman v Superman cost $250 million and made 872.7 million
Suicide Squad allegedly cost $175 million and has made $497 million so far.

So comparing third movie totals,..

Marvel: $982.5 million
DC: $1,387.7 million

Technically DC is in the lead.
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Technically, BvS was supposed to be the DCEU's equivalent to the first Avengers (cost: 220 million. Box office: 1.52 billion), and Suicide Squad to The Guardians of the Galaxy (cost: 232.3 million, gross. Box office: 773.3 million), which would put the balance more like Marvel: 2,878.5 million, DC 1,387.7 million.

And this is before we consider that if you insist on comparing those movies, then you have to also compare the vastly greater sum DC has spent on promoting those movies, which is considerably more than Marvel did for The Incredible Hulk, for instance.
 
Yonatan said:
Technically, BvS was supposed to be the DCEU's equivalent to the first Avengers (cost: 220 million. Box office: 1.52 billion), and Suicide Squad to The Guardians of the Galaxy (cost: 232.3 million, gross. Box office: 773.3 million), which would put the balance more like Marvel: 2,878.5 million, DC 1,387.7 million.

And this is before we consider that if you insist on comparing those movies, then you have to also compare the vastly greater sum DC has spent on promoting those movies, which is considerably more than Marvel did for The Incredible Hulk, for instance.
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TIH was a Universal picture, so Marvel/Disney spent nothing on advertising.
 
DanielJH2112 said:
Revisiting this...

Iron Man cost $140 million and made $585.2 million
The Incredible Hulk cost $150 million and made $263.4 million
Iron Man 2 cost $200 million and made $623.9 million

Man of Steel cost $225 million and made $668 million
Batman v Superman cost $250 million and made 872.7 million
Suicide Squad allegedly cost $175 million and has made $497 million so far.

So comparing third movie totals,..

Marvel: $982.5 million
DC: $1,387.7 million

Technically DC is in the lead.
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Yonatan said:
Technically, BvS was supposed to be the DCEU's equivalent to the first Avengers (cost: 220 million. Box office: 1.52 billion), and Suicide Squad to The Guardians of the Galaxy (cost: 232.3 million, gross. Box office: 773.3 million), which would put the balance more like Marvel: 2,878.5 million, DC 1,387.7 million.

And this is before we consider that if you insist on comparing those movies, then you have to also compare the vastly greater sum DC has spent on promoting those movies, which is considerably more than Marvel did for The Incredible Hulk, for instance.
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Also, you have to include advertizing costs and the fact that Profits have to be shared with the theater chains....

So the profits are actually far lower than they seem.
 
Sentinel 677 said:
Honestly, I, like the casual movie goer, never think of The Incredible Hulk as part of the MCU.

I didn't even realise it was part of the MCU until someone mentioned it a few months ago on Spacebattles.

That said, I never saw it, so maybe Samuel Jackson appeared at the end of that movie as well.
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No, Robert Downey Junior did.

And it was referenced in the Avengers
 
On the plus side, they did ditch the idea, so someone in the creative process did their jobs. Props for that.

In general, I'm not too bothered by artists throwing random ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.
 
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