While I like the movie and Ultron, I do think that the "robot mooks" was a bit too "mook-ish".

On the other hand, I watched Iron Man 3 a week or so before seeing Age of Ultron and those suits werent' that impressive either when they only had Jarvis piloting them.

This could have been really easily fixed given Ultron's ability to make new bodies and his circumstances in the movie.

There could have been levels of drone starting with ground bound runners which are in fact more like universal laborers made from whatever easily available materials ultron could find. They're literally scrap bots made of automotive grade aluminum, steel, and salvaged electronic hardware. So of course they're a threat to a normal human, able to take Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Captain Rogers, but complete rubbish against the tougher members of the team. These could be handled mostly by the street level heroes, the police, and maybe some militia rallied by the twins.

Next you have your flyers, visibly bulkier and made of better materials with the obvious glow of an arc power source. These are basically comparable to early mark Iron Man suits and while Tony and Thor can tear them apart by the bakers dozen they're a match one on one for the weaker members of the team and a serious threat to the stronger fighters. These would be fought chiefly by Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and Iron Man.

Leading the Flyers would be the 'Alpha'* Flyer which can beat Tony in his latest suit and is a one on one match for the Vision when he shows up. The Alpha doubles as the Spokesbot when it is thematically appropriate for Ultron to be big and menacing but otherwise resembles the lesser bodies.

Finally we have the 'Busters'. Ultron should have pulled all of the Starks tech schematics when he killed Jarvis, he should have known his bodies weren't going to be able to handle the likes of Thor or Hulk and the climax of the battle for the two of them should have been a Trio of Ultron Hulk Busters showing up to fight them mano-a-mano with constant sacrificial assists from the canon fodder to keep the fight nicely in their favor. Nice moment for Hulk/Banner to show he's more than a monster by holding back as Civilians flee in contrast to the Ultron-Busters having no compunctions about going all out among the terrified innocents.

James Spader's performance as Ultron was one of the few reasons I haven't completely and utterly forgotten about the film a week later and you want to remove it? The fuck?

Agreed.

Personally I'm not a fan of the big metal man body, it feels too much like the animators and directors thought that the villain had to have a face to be relatable rather than relying on body language and Spader's simply fantastic voice acting to provide character.

Instead of silver-spader I would have loved to have seen Ultron's spokes-bot be one of Tony's suits, preferably the latest and greatest, stolen right out from under him. Maybe Tony tried to use the suit only to be forcibly spit out when Ultron first appears. To build on this, the Spokes-bot starts off as a standard iron man suit and gradually becomes more alien with each appearance until finally splitting open into a living metal murder machine during its battle with the Vision to fight his counterpart head on.

To build off of the suit idea and seeding distrust among the Avengers. As for why Ultron didn't just kill Tony or trap him inside his suit have a reveal that the Iron Man Suits and the Iron Legion are hardwired to not harm Stark. They can harm everyone else perfectly well and some of the Iron Legion fight suspiciously like they know their opponents moves. Very consistent with Stark's belief that only he can save the world and not even his allies can be trusted.
 
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Or maybe scale back all the quips from the rest of the cast? That would help.

Basically this. Or try to make his jokes and humor a bit more distinct. Less one liners and more situational.

Borrowing from Big Guy and Rusty have Stark quip about the Spokesbot just being an Iron Man Copy.

Ultron : -Hammers Ironman into the ground before stepping back to allow his chest plates to open into a giant Arc / Omni-Beam cannon.- "I made some improvements."

Stark : "Not a copy. Not a copy!"
 
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Basically this. Or try to make his jokes and humor a bit more distinct. Less one liners and more situational.

Borrowing from Big Guy and Rusty have Stark quip about the Spokesbot just being an Iron Man Copy.

Ultron : -Hammers Ironman into the ground before stepping back to allow his chest plates to open into a giant Arc / Omni-Beam cannon.- "I made some improvements."

Stark : "Not a copy. Not a copy!"
And cue the Uni-Beam finisher from Marvel Vs Capcom. Major ouch.
 
Or maybe scale back all the quips from the rest of the cast? That would help. If Ultron was the only one cracking jokes as the world burned that would be creepy and menacing. When he's one of dozens of deadpan sarcastic quip machines he gets lost in the shuffle. To me the issue isn't just that he's making jokes, it's that everyone is making jokes, so it feels less like they wrote him that way to show how crazy and damaged he was and more because they were writing everyone that way and thought "Might as well have the killer robot have some fun."
This is a Joss Whedon production. People communicate solely in the form of sarcastic quips. So the option is to either be boring or make said cracks.
 
I liked the party scene...and the fact that Steve invited Normandy survivors to it. Also, The One Above All, AKA Stan Lee, joined in.
 
This is a Joss Whedon production. People communicate solely in the form of sarcastic quips. So the option is to either be boring or make said cracks.

It's not only a Whedon product. It's a Whedon product based on Marvel Superheroes, who banter even as universes literally fall apart around them and eldritch abominations crawl forth from the deepest pits of the abyss.
Of course they're going to quip when the only thing they have to worry about is a genocidal robot and a falling city.
 
I'm pretty sure the part where he infiltrated the U-Gin facility in Seoul and forced the doctor to work with him also counts.

EDIT: Oh yeah, AND the scene where he (almost) murdered JARVIS.

The Seoul bit was 'Threatening' but not outright menacing. Especially once he just tapped the lady with Loki's Scepter and poof she's on his side now.

And the attempted murder of Jarvis I count as part of his introduction/birth/party crashing scene, because It all happens in one burst. Him murdering Jarvis is one of the only reasons that scene is menacing at all.

Which then get's undercut 2/3rd of the way through the film when Tony pulls out his magic phone and POOF Jarvis is back.
 
That's how Loki's sceptre works. Remember the first movie?
I know and that's kind of the point.

We didn't need to see that. They delved a bit into explaining shit that didn't need to be explained immediately afterword and then having the room bumped gave them the impetus for the good doctor to knock her head and suddenly turn into a good guy again...

They could have had him walk in with the twins, act all menacing and then cut to something else.

Something like him sending bot's out to go wreck things...

Because for an AI based mastermind who is web enabled, you almost never saw him operating swarms of bot's while doing something else. Hell... After he was kicked out of the party you really dont see him do anything.

He goes and pouts in that castle/town place... and there is that one mission to the Arms dealer... and then the trip to the doctor... but you never got a sense of global menace.

The only plot threads that even hint at global menace is the 'Hacking the codes' thread that's neatly cut because of Jarvis-ex-machina, and then at the very end the Kinetic Kill Town...
 
I know and that's kind of the point.

We didn't need to see that. They delved a bit into explaining shit that didn't need to be explained immediately afterword and then having the room bumped gave them the impetus for the good doctor to knock her head and suddenly turn into a good guy again...

They could have had him walk in with the twins, act all menacing and then cut to something else.

Something like him sending bot's out to go wreck things...

Because for an AI based mastermind who is web enabled, you almost never saw him operating swarms of bot's while doing something else. Hell... After he was kicked out of the party you really dont see him do anything.

He goes and pouts in that castle/town place... and there is that one mission to the Arms dealer... and then the trip to the doctor... but you never got a sense of global menace.

The only plot threads that even hint at global menace is the 'Hacking the codes' thread that's neatly cut because of Jarvis-ex-machina, and then at the very end the Kinetic Kill Town...

He was out gathering supplies. You know, for the killer robot army, the giant floating city shit, and the indestructible vibranium body.
 
This is a Joss Whedon production. People communicate solely in the form of sarcastic quips. So the option is to either be boring or make said cracks.
You could also, I don't know, hire a better writer.

Or just tell Joss to shove his bad habits up his arse and write something that actually works.
 
You could also, I don't know, hire a better writer.

Or just tell Joss to shove his bad habits up his arse and write something that actually works.
I'm working here from the premise that it's Joss Whedon doing an Avengers film. If we're willing to make large scale changes is just have them air Hari-Kari in it's place and consider that a massive win for cinema
 
Yes, I'm sure the only options for discussion are "accept the movie as it was" and "just fuck off and watch a different movie".
 
I liked the film overall. It was entertaining and had plenty of action as well as some interesting story development.

It just has some room to have been even better.
 
Yes, I'm sure the only options for discussion are "accept the movie as it was" and "just fuck off and watch a different movie".
The point I'm making is that when you put Joss Whedon on a production, there are certain expectations about how it's going to play out. It's like watching Ip Man and wondering why they keep having badass fight scenes.

I wish that Joss Whedon was better at his job, but it's kind of a silly thing to kvetch about; it so much as warns you about it on the tin
 
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