Arpeggio of Blue Steel
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so had a short glimpse at the raw, the important parts:
But hey, now we can wonder how the Fog decides who gets to be a flag ship
Mutsu has twin mental models -> Delta core -> qualification to be high flag ship -> better than single core ships like Kongou or Hyuuga (on paper)
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completly different question, without any ulterior, malicious motivation!
who here likes Takao? anybody? who here really loves Takao? who is willing to take the bul.. I'mean confess that Takao is the #1 mental model?
Mutsu is called Nagato's imouto!
Mutsu calls Nagato nee-sama!
Mutus is a good imouto!
Yes this is important!
Mutsu calls Nagato nee-sama!
Mutus is a good imouto!
Yes this is important!
Mutsu has twin mental models -> Delta core -> qualification to be high flag ship -> better than single core ships like Kongou or Hyuuga (on paper)
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completly different question, without any ulterior, malicious motivation!
who here likes Takao? anybody? who here really loves Takao? who is willing to take the bul.. I'mean confess that Takao is the #1 mental model?
LucidProp
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Takao is okay, but she isn't the flagship of my heart.
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So you wanna know, why Takao is the best Mental Model? Good! Let me explain!Takao is okay, but she isn't the flagship of my heart.
Takao was the first mental model our hero got to face! For many she still ist the first mental model!
But soon it became obvious that she is more than just a deadly heavy cruiser!
She is romantic, adventurous, a free spirite and many more thing!
She also has many comedic scenes!
Sure, I could make some over the top presentation about the many cloths she wears,
or the many emotions/faces she makes.....
or other features...... *creepy otaku noises*
But sometimes you just have to keep it simple, and the fact that you can't post more than 20 pictues per post, and just be honest and say that Takao is a good girl!
*Dramatically grabs the raised finger*
Btw guys, did you know that chapter 102 had some terrible art mistakes. The released a fix version:
But soon it became obvious that she is more than just a deadly heavy cruiser!
She is romantic, adventurous, a free spirite and many more thing!
She also has many comedic scenes!
Sure, I could make some over the top presentation about the many cloths she wears,
or the many emotions/faces she makes.....
or other features...... *creepy otaku noises*
But sometimes you just have to keep it simple, and the fact that you can't post more than 20 pictues per post, and just be honest and say that Takao is a good girl!
*Dramatically grabs the raised finger*
Btw guys, did you know that chapter 102 had some terrible art mistakes. The released a fix version:
edit: made the pictures bigger, they were so tiny
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Wow...that's some funny shit to set my eyes upon (above)....(looks around in the office, good, no one else's looking), tell me all your secretes Takao, you are always my best curl!
Just read the new Chapter, i'm very surprised (impressed) I-401 have the capabilities to even chase after Nagato? what made her so confident? analysis on is this a Good or bad military decision?
Just read the new Chapter, i'm very surprised (impressed) I-401 have the capabilities to even chase after Nagato? what made her so confident? analysis on is this a Good or bad military decision?
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Zelinko
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It's suboptimal but she needed to draw Nagato's attention since that destroyer and cruiser were going to have guaranteed detection and thus destruction of the White Whale. If that gets sunk it means it's game over since the Corrosive Warhead sample and blueprints are lost!
Even her doing a raid but retreating might be enough to get Nagato to chase her and draw away the Shimakaze.
Also Remember I-401 doesn't know what the Repulse's Letter has in it or the fact that Vampire's become the White Whale's shadow.
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But you were the first one replying to the new chapter post, the one with the picture of Mutsu...
So who else likes to take a bull... I mean likes Takao here?
Btw, if anyone knows why Haruna is the best Mental Model, please feel free to make a post. I really don't know what to do with her....
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, err..I personally fail to grasp the point of their mission. I-401 as a military asset clearly is 1000x more valuable than the Hakugei, yet they insist delivering the Vibro-Warhead by the human craft is significant in what way? Are other countries really going to be aroused and start their own attempt at these types of high-risk-low-reward missions? To test waters with the Fleet of Fog again? I don't think most fleet cared so much at this point on what human has, even Vampire looks down on how pathetic human technology is in comparison.
It seems Europe will get a taste of what Fog is capable "on land" first hand, and Japan for some absurdity twist of fate became a common dock for Fog fleets. Where are the ambassadors??? where is the Mouth of Suron? I mean mouth of Japan?? Talk to them DAMN IT, don't wait for them to DO ALL THE TALKING! (Nice job having a cripple and a emotionless design child as ministers.) I find it funny that Engineer/Electrician who's eyeing Akagi tentatively is doing the right thing, go hit on these girls, they don't seem that they will bite.
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That question was raised by the crew to Gunzou, as originally, the mission was supposed to be theirs, but he passed it to the crew of the Hakugei.
The entire point, much like why Gunzou set up things when Haruna and Kirishima attacked the port to have the Hakugei take the winning shot that wrecked the two was to get humanity's spirit lit up again. The way Gunzou sees it, through his interactions with people and what he had seen when the I-401 and her crew were considered rogues by Japan, was that the absolute massacre that the Fleet of Fog inflicted onto the World's Combined Navies broke something in humanity as a whole. He was certain that they would have managed to complete the mission, but as he says it, "There'll be those who will say that we only managed because we had access to a Fog Ship, it will not be a human victory against the Fog."
So he figured that giving the Hakugei a chance to cross to San Francisco would fulfill that condition and get humanity raring to take back the oceans from the FoF.
Because initially, that's why he left with Iona and his crew, and sink Hyuuga, to get people to realize that the FoF aren't invincible and they can be beaten, but that victory over shadowed by the fact that Iona was of the Fog as well, so nothing really happened.
That's also why Gunzou wants the Vibration Warhead to make it to San Francisco. According to him, there can only be a talk between the FoF and Humanity when both sides are capable of killing each other, add to that the possible reignited spirit of humanity and you have one of Kongou's major points about humanity coming to the fore. The defeat of the World's Combined Fleet was due to the FoF's technology being completely and utterly overwhelming in all ways. That was the only thing that let them beat humanity. If everything was equal back then, she acknowledges that there was a high chance that the tactics that the humans deployed at the time would have won the day.
Do you see anyone better? Legitimately speaking things were extremely bad for Japan in the aftermath of the defeat of the combined navies, to the point that everyone in power knew that they needed to be completely logical to make sure the country and its people live, which meant that they needed to trample over human rights in order to do so. The design child, literally created to lead a nation, was one of those measures to secure the country's future.
As for the "cripple", iirc he was on one of the ships in the Combined Fleet and barely survived, but even then, his own spirit to see humanity plying the oceans once more is not dead unlike his one time political rival.
Some would actually. Not all FoFs are friendly, some are focused on keeping humanity out of the oceans no matter what, others follow the designs of a man who seemingly betrayed humanity, and others...fucked if I know, they're just doing their own thing.
To get the FoF on the table, humanity as a whole must get their attention and willingness to talk first. And that's going to need something that will prove to the Fof that they are vulnerable I believe.
Also, even at Yokosuka battle way back in the beginning there was respect from Haruna and Kirishima regarding the Hakugei's performance.
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Given that the Fog all differ, the soft approach is probably one of the best options. Mental Models are curious about humanity, so its important to let them adjust at least a little on their own terms so that they at least can interact in a reasonable manner. Otherwise, there will be massive imbalance and the Fog won't be comfortable starting talks right away. The Fog have to know what to talk about first. They want to know about society first? Let them know about society first. And this doesn't mean that there isn't talking going on. Its just more subtle and informal, with discussion occurring on a direct level.
Also, where was that engineer guy with Akagi?
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Getting the Fog on the table isn't the problem. Yamato/Kotono is actively searching for relations and except Kongou every MM introduced so far, is at worst neutral towards humanity or already living among humans, i.e., Lexington and Zuikaku. The problem lies on the human side, because from their persective the Fog is
- some foreign alien force much more powerful than them
- in historical terms, just kicked their asses and created a big death toll
- and also caused a global catastrophe
The Fog leadership is certainly on the table, and Yamato might be willing to talk about lowering the blockade, but for most of the Fog, "being friendly with humans" and "maintaining the blockade" seem to be separate.
Notice that Hyuuga went right back to running the fleet when Yamato put her there. We're seeing outliers of the fleet (and Fog nobility, really, given how rare carriers, battleships, and heavy cruisers are in comparison to other vessels) and even they aren't talking very much about lowering the blockade.
I would be willing to bet on Haruna, Kirishima, and Takao lowering the blockade, but not Lexington, Zuikaku, Atago, Akagi, Hiei, I-400, or I-402. Some those have had significant interaction with humans but haven't said a thing about ending the fight.
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So far the two most opposed to lowering the blockade were Kongou and Repulse. Kongou because she wanted to return to here pure state when the world was simple, and Repulse because she wants to obey the admirality code. Now Kongou is way more open to change, she said Japan was a beautiful country, and Repulse is on her way to show her engine room to her new captain
I-400 and I-402 do what Yamato says, Lexington and Zuikaku are living and interacting with humans, so I don't think they will oppose it, and Akagi more or less is on board with it giving her comments about a long time relationship with humanity.
Also, considering that ending the blockade would be changing the status quo, I think it is more important to see who would oppose such an action instead of who is remaining at the status quo for the moment. In that sense, I think Nagato's oppinion on this matter will be interesting, because her stance on this matter is unknown. And given she is one of the leader ships, this could be interesting.
P.S.: carriers, battleships, and heavy cruisers are the normal Fog ships, which have mental models to begin with.
Zelinko
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I think if anything even Zuikaku and Lexington would be opposed to flipping the world order over immediately. They can keep doing as they do while the Status Quo is as is.
Overall the Fog just don't know enough about humanity to be able to understand just what will happen if they do both in terms of their position with humanity to what humanity will do with these changes.
Scarlet Fleet's actions are going to scare the hell out of humanity. Hell it's probably gonna scare the hell out of the Fog. Those not killed in the initial occupation might see Fog on Fog combat off the shores of France as Hood gets the irrefutable proof that Scarlet Fleet has gone mad and is openly violating the Admiralty Code and MUST be destroyed by any means possible.
Overall the Fog just don't know enough about humanity to be able to understand just what will happen if they do both in terms of their position with humanity to what humanity will do with these changes.
Scarlet Fleet's actions are going to scare the hell out of humanity. Hell it's probably gonna scare the hell out of the Fog. Those not killed in the initial occupation might see Fog on Fog combat off the shores of France as Hood gets the irrefutable proof that Scarlet Fleet has gone mad and is openly violating the Admiralty Code and MUST be destroyed by any means possible.
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Serious question, from where do you get these impressions? From what I can tell Lexington and Zuikaku seem to be rather open minded and human friendly.
They know one thing, if they don't change something, humanity will wipe them out. This was the official reason why the Fog adopted mental models in the first place.
I don't have enough information to make a guess about the Scarlet Fleet in the big picture. But one of my prediction is, that a human + Fog fleet is going to wipe out a pure Flog fleet and will motivate other fleets to seek human allies.
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Wow, great posts. thank you guys for the replies!
I think the entity who would oppose lowering the blockade is the Admiralty Code, she kept implying there is a key(person?) to unlock everything, and there is a big test she will throw toward humanities' face SOON. does that mean Y2K? one can only speculate...
AC is seen in a constant stage of regret for something she did in the past (under-funding one of the Yamato-classed super-ships maybe?), and the future is seemingly not living up to her expectation either.
I thought Yamato wanted to make Fog intellectually equal with humans, so humans do not one day stab them in the back when they have the technology. As far as the story progress, did her doctorate get far? Did Kongo realize she actually suck being a flag ship and talking to humans is better than gunning them down?
Just what the heck is Yamato end up doing now? Trying to make up for her past blunders when she was that human (yes when Gunzo is kept far away in the hands of her subordinates in paradise)? Is Yamato losing grip after the thought that I401 is probably more important than her right now?
Musashi, let's just say was emotionally scarred (after losing Daddy). She denies the current affairs of the world and wishes to make a new one.So she would end up denying everyone of their ideals and kick the shit of those who doesn't live up to her religion. I wonder if she sees the AC, what would she ask her to do next?
Takao ends up being the smart one again, i think she realizes the waters she's playing with is just too damn deep, Yamato is not her to fight to begin with, the 4th-district is not her place to ask questions, and japan is not a place even to stay for long. Her best place is somewhere, or be with someone who can help her grow most in the sense of responsibility and individuality. Siding with I401 is is much more beneficial than tangling in the webs of Yamato and her personal affairs, who makes everyone caught by it looking like a pawn.
I think the entity who would oppose lowering the blockade is the Admiralty Code, she kept implying there is a key(person?) to unlock everything, and there is a big test she will throw toward humanities' face SOON. does that mean Y2K? one can only speculate...
AC is seen in a constant stage of regret for something she did in the past (
under-funding one of the Yamato-classed super-ships maybe?), and the future is seemingly not living up to her expectation either.I thought Yamato wanted to make Fog intellectually equal with humans, so humans do not one day stab them in the back when they have the technology. As far as the story progress, did her doctorate get far? Did Kongo realize she actually suck being a flag ship and talking to humans is better than gunning them down?
Just what the heck is Yamato end up doing now? Trying to make up for her past blunders when she was that human (yes when Gunzo is kept far away in the hands of her subordinates in paradise)? Is Yamato losing grip after the thought that I401 is probably more important than her right now?
Musashi, let's just say was emotionally scarred (after losing Daddy). She denies the current affairs of the world and wishes to make a new one.So she would end up denying everyone of their ideals and kick the shit of those who doesn't live up to her religion. I wonder if she sees the AC, what would she ask her to do next?
Takao ends up being the smart one again, i think she realizes the waters she's playing with is just too damn deep, Yamato is not her to fight to begin with, the 4th-district is not her place to ask questions, and japan is not a place even to stay for long. Her best place is somewhere, or be with someone who can help her grow most in the sense of responsibility and individuality. Siding with I401 is is much more beneficial than tangling in the webs of Yamato and her personal affairs, who makes everyone caught by it looking like a pawn.
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Zelinko
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With Kongo I think really her 'hack' wasn't Yamato but the Admiralty Code herself.
The Code herself has viewed Gunzhou as a possible champion for humanity (one already blessed by her with the nanomatierial repair) and with Scarlet Fleet in part being under the will of another of the Admiralty Code's kind ("Lord Archer") the world may be marching towards a war between ancients.
Yamato herself is very much a midpoint between humanity and Fog with how her main mental model built herself up with experiences. In part she's trying to get others to experience some of her old limitations but it's really a risky path she's walking as Yamato (through Atago) really has made some incredibly morally dubious decisions on those paths. Although Takao/KiriHaru teamup maybe have been unexpected or an expected outcome but it's very much a case of social problem solving when unable to directly broadcast information to provide a machine solution due to Yamato's hacks.
The Code herself has viewed Gunzhou as a possible champion for humanity (one already blessed by her with the nanomatierial repair) and with Scarlet Fleet in part being under the will of another of the Admiralty Code's kind ("Lord Archer") the world may be marching towards a war between ancients.
Yamato herself is very much a midpoint between humanity and Fog with how her main mental model built herself up with experiences. In part she's trying to get others to experience some of her old limitations but it's really a risky path she's walking as Yamato (through Atago) really has made some incredibly morally dubious decisions on those paths. Although Takao/KiriHaru teamup maybe have been unexpected or an expected outcome but it's very much a case of social problem solving when unable to directly broadcast information to provide a machine solution due to Yamato's hacks.
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Could just be parts of a single larger symbol for Gretel.