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Animus Ex Nihilo - A God Quest

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Ghostdevil said:
Then you already failed. Our people explicitly give us stuff in exchange for other stuff. We are not viewed as just a natural process but as an actual being. Nevermind the fact that we actually exist unlike Poseidon or god
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No? You can "trade" with a natural process just fine. Burn some wood, and get some fire is a trade with a natural process. Make a sufficient sacrifice to Proud Waters, and get what you ask for would simply be another one of these trades.

If this doesn't work you simply didn't perform the trade properly.
 
I believe Sir LagsAlot tries to say that preferably we stayed some kind of immaterial force, imagine a sentient ocean fo example. Rather than a god that rules the ocean in a humanoid form we would just be the ocean, everything it touches, we touch. We are the ocean, not some creature controlling it with our godly powers.
Please correct me if im wrong @Sir LagsAlot
 
Soup said:
I believe Sir LagsAlot tries to say that preferably we stayed some kind of immaterial force, imagine a sentient ocean fo example. Rather than a god that rules the ocean in a humanoid form we would just be the ocean, everything it touches, we touch. We are the ocean, not some creature controlling it with our godly powers.
Please correct me if im wrong @Sir LagsAlot
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Pretty much ya. We are our domain rather than being a representative of it such as a god of said domain. This leads to an orange and blue morality system where you are not angry at the ocean for simply being the ocean when its tides rise and wipe out your village rather you get angry at the village chief for not sacrificing enough to the ocean or in the case of IRL you get angry that the city didn't put up enough flood protection.
 
That doesnt seem to be what we are. We definitely rule over. We are not literally the ocean.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
They blame God because God is humanized in a similar manner to Poseidon that's what the whole "God works in mysterious ways" thing is about it attributes everything in life to God's plan which can be viewed as an intentional act of malice if you so choose. That's why I want to avoid being humanized and remain as an it rather than a he or a she so that what we do is simply viewed as how things are like the tides rising and falling instead of as deliberate planning on our part.

So, no this is not nonsensical at all you just failed to sub in Posideon for whatever God of choice you wanted.
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I agree with that really. Not having avatar, or human form , or at least fixed from would do wonders.

Ghostdevil said:
Then you already failed. Our people explicitly give us stuff in exchange for other stuff. We are not viewed as just a natural process but as an actual being. Nevermind the fact that we actually exist unlike Poseidon or god
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I believe the point is to keep more abrahamic like appearance of invisible God instead of Pagan form.
 
Star said:
I agree with that really. Not having avatar, or human form , or at least fixed from would do wonders.



I believe the point is to keep more abrahamic like appearance of invisible God instead of Pagan form.
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Which defeats his point still. We are not literally an ocean, we control an aspect and rule over. We already communicate with priests, the faithful most likely already humanize us to a large degree.
 
Ghostdevil said:
Which defeats his point still. We are not literally an ocean, we control an aspect and rule over. We already communicate with priests, the faithful most likely already humanize us to a large degree.
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I do agree with that, that's why I'm saying not to have fixed appearance. It's also impossible for us to just be Ocean, we as time goes on will have more and more domains and influence which is why I prefer to take more of a conceptual/philosophical form and being represented with certain symbol instead of statue/avatar.
 
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Ghostdevil said:
Which defeats his point still. We are not literally an ocean, we control an aspect and rule over. We already communicate with priests, the faithful most likely already humanize us to a large degree.
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Our form is explicitly not yet defined we are still an abstract spirit, and just as we have the potential to one day become more humanized in the form of becoming a man or a woman I do not see why we can not become less humanized, and become one with our domain or become less individualized in some other manner.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
Our form is explicitly not yet defined we are still an abstract spirit, and just as we have the potential to one day become more humanized in the form of becoming a man or a woman I do not see why we can not become less humanized, and become one with our domain or become less individualized in some other manner.
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Yea, i don't want to go the way of avatarization/humanization and generally keep ourselves to the symbols.

If we need to take avatar i would go with twin sea snakes, simbolising life and death and being both male and female.
 
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Wonderful. Religious skub. Can we at least wait until Azel presents us a vote because right now this pretty much nothing but unprovable personal opinion on everyone's part.

Ghostdevil said:
Then you already failed. Our people explicitly give us stuff in exchange for other stuff. We are not viewed as just a natural process but as an actual being. Nevermind the fact that we actually exist unlike Poseidon or God
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God is a name; if you use it in a sentence you capitalize it.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
Our form is explicitly not yet defined we are still an abstract spirit, and just as we have the potential to one day become more humanized in the form of becoming a man or a woman I do not see why we can not become less humanized, and become one with our domain or become less individualized in some other manner.
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I mean other than the fact that we have been going more individualized as well as more human over time, I mean we started without even a voice and are now making deals with spirits, talking to our shamans stuff like that. Hell we started out making deals with our people, by trading sacrifices and gifts for healing and blessings.
We are definitely not merging with the Ocean from what i can tell, in the last update we were explicitly just a condensed being of thought floating in the ocean that could be targeted and attacked, so far not much effort or thought of what your suggesting.
Besides a humanized form is better in my view anyways.
flotter said:
God is a name; if you use it in a sentence you capitalize it.
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Technically its not a name, its a definition and a title, since Yahweh/Jehovah is his name or w/e.
Also doesn't matter if i capitalize it or not, what an odd thing to take issue with. Edit: Also off topic.
 
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You lack the strength to exert enough control over the sea to consider merging with it.

As far how human you become (or not), that is strongly influenced by what you spend your time and power on.
 
Ghostdevil said:
I mean other than the fact that we have been going more individualized as well as more human over time, I mean we started without even a voice and are now making deals with spirits, talking to our shamans stuff like that. Hell we started out making deals with our people, by trading sacrifices and gifts for healing and blessings.
We are definitely not merging with the Ocean from what i can tell, in the last update we were explicitly just a condensed being of thought floating in the ocean that could be targeted and attacked, so far not much effort or thought of what your suggesting.
Besides a humanized form is better in my view anyways.
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Nothing, you've said here couldn't be performed by a deity that is of their domain or is conceptual in nature rather than an individualized person. It's not even something that hards to grasp as there are plenty of stories throughout history of people interacting with concepts such as nature rather than interacting with an individualized avatar of nature or a godly ruler of it like Poseidon is for the ocean.

And, anything can be done with enough power in this setting if we aren't the ocean yet we can be eventually if we're strong enough even if for now we have to content ourselves with not being as abstract as we could potentially be just as we currently are not as human as we could possibly be from your point of view.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
Nothing, you've said here couldn't be performed by a deity that is of their domain or is conceptual in nature rather than an individualized person. It's not even something that hards to grasp as there are plenty of stories throughout history of people interacting with concepts such as nature rather than interacting with an individualized avatar of nature or a godly ruler of it like Poseidon is for the ocean.

And, anything can be done with enough power in this setting if we aren't the ocean yet we can be eventually if we're strong enough even if for now we have to content ourselves with not being as abstract as we could potentially be just as we currently are not as human as we could possibly be from your point of view.
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We 100% are an individualized person right now, regardless i'll be opposing such a thing anyways (even still, all this just means what you've said earlier was just straight up wrong)
 
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Azel said:
A long sinuous thing moving through the waters like an eel, but its head was all teeth and hunger, cloaked in a shadow that went beyond the mere absence of light.
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So by now I am approximately 93% sure that we're dealing with a Divine Servant Lamprey of Death here.

Moving through the water like an eel, well, lampreys are one of the relatively few non-eel fish that have an eel's bodytype. And as for the head, well
I think it fits the description.

The only other alternative I can think of (assuming Earth-style animals) is a moray eel, but while morays have jaws like the monster we face, they also have actual faces and not just a pile of teeth.

... Say, assuming we end up killing this little bugger, what do you people say we one-up whoever did this and make our own, much better, Divine Servant with the same animal template? You know, prove that Proud Waters is the regent of the seas and we are the best one to command it's creatures?
 
Ghostdevil said:
We 100% are an individualized person right now, regardless i'll be opposing such a thing anyways (even still, all this just means what you've said earlier was just straight up wrong)
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That's actually extremely arguable as we constantly witness fundamental shifts in Proud Waters based on his Nature and he is literally incapable of doing things outside of his Nature. A human as an individualized person can at least consider options outside of their Nature but Proud Waters just doesn't that was brought up when we first met that wind spirit where I wanted to do something, and Proud Waters literally could not do so due to it not being in his Nature it wasn't that he wouldn't but that he could not.

And, I still don't see where I've been wrong. Despite your instance on such with regards to some of my posts such as here.
Sir LagsAlot said:
Pretty much ya. We are our domain rather than being a representative of it such as a god of said domain. This leads to an orange and blue morality system where you are not angry at the ocean for simply being the ocean when its tides rise and wipe out your village rather you get angry at the village chief for not sacrificing enough to the ocean or in the case of IRL you get angry that the city didn't put up enough flood protection.
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Ghostdevil said:
That doesnt seem to be what we are. We definitely rule over. We are not literally the ocean.
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Where I am making a statement about what I want us to be rather than what we are. Something it is literally impossible to prove wrong despite your best attempts to do so and something we've got QM approval of.
 
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Nigerian Duck said:
All these arguments about becoming human, becoming oceans,

and I'm just here shouting with my heart "Land! Expand to Land!"
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How this argument ends up resolving in story shouldn't overly affect that as regardless of how abstract or human Proud Waters ends up becoming as a deity they should still be able to grab domains like healing/life, and death so that we can expand better on land.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
That's actually extremely arguable as we constantly witness fundamental shifts in Proud Waters based on his Nature and he is literally incapable of doing things outside of his Nature. A human as an individualized person can at least consider options outside of their Nature but Proud Waters just doesn't that was brought up when we first met that wind spirit where I wanted to do something, and Proud Waters literally could not do so due to it not being in his Nature it wasn't that he wouldn't but that he could not.
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People tend to not do things outside their own personality and natures as well, but as you said our nature can change in real life as well as in this quest as Proud Waters.
Sir LagsAlot said:
And, I still don't see where I've been wrong. Despite your instance on such with regards to some of my posts such as here.
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LIterally the first post you claim
Sir LagsAlot said:
to be frank as the last thing we want is for people to look at us like the Greek Gods where we can be negotiated with, tricked, or whatever else we don't want to even be vaguely human. We want to be a force of nature that simply is, and who you will deal with if you want something related to our domains from which caters far more to being an it than it does to being a he or a she.
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Which is straight up wrong, your argument against humanizing our MC. Even if we merged with the Ocean we would still have a personality and power outside of what the ocean can actually do, we'd still be an avatar.
 
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Nigerian Duck said:
All these arguments about becoming human, becoming oceans,

and I'm just here shouting with my heart "Land! Expand to Land!"
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Okay, compromise plan: Expand our to Land while keeping our connection to the Sea by making a mudskipper into one of our Divine Servants.

You could also use like a salamander or a lungfish. You know, if you're dull and you don't wanna give mudskippers the acknowlegdement they deserve. Actually lungfish are really cool too and I am in no way against making one of those a Divine Servant either
 
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