Amongst Us Mafia

Wait is end of day today? Fuck.

There's not much of a choice at this point but I still don't really understand what we're expecting to get out of a night phase tonight so we're not just back here tomorrow in terms of info, and down some crew from kills. The LyLo MyLo stuff always goes over my head?
 
Like, what's the simplest math... if we kill someone and it's not imposter (which yeah, pretty hard to say we can randomly guess here), then tomorrow we have 8 people around, versus 9 if we don't eject.

Does anything else change? We'd see people during the night phase either way, and I don't quite get why either one changes the odd of sabotage happening?
 
Like, what's the simplest math... if we kill someone and it's not imposter (which yeah, pretty hard to say we can randomly guess here), then tomorrow we have 8 people around, versus 9 if we don't eject.

Does anything else change? We'd see people during the night phase either way, and I don't quite get why either one changes the odd of sabotage happening?
honestly, if I was more sure of this stuff myself I'd probably have a clear stance rather than sitting here sticking to my vote, neither willing to rabble rouse hard for voting someone out nor backing per se the no-vote.
 
Here is my worry - I'm not sure if I'm gonna know if skipping was a good move or not the next day. I can't imagine we're in a good place if we don't have some leads by then, it feels like tempo is gonna go really against us - two kills a night and none of them on the crew side is heavy.

So... we need this to be falsifiable in terms of turning up info.

I can't see any other choice now though. We couldn't organize a vote this late, I don't think.

So formally
[x] Skip Vote

But I really want a more solid explanation of what we're getting out of it later.
 
Hmm. Less than an hour and a half to go, having trouble assessing whether voting to not throw someone out the airlock is a good move, but at the very least it's clearly not exclusively a scum move by player count.

I'm definitely side-eying the only two people with no vote on the board, be it a commitment to no lynch or not; @NemoMarx and @Wiadi.

I'm aware not everyone is as persnickety as I about voting, but it definitely stands out in a less than positive way to me.

I was hoping to get a response from Nictis to my question about LyLo math, so as to make a more informed decision, since it seemed like they were seeing something I wasn't there. Speaking of, @Nictis mind clarifying on that?
Also important is that killing Day 1 cuts down on the info we have Day 2 and does actually push LyLo a full cycle closer.
Okay, I'm following most of this argument, but can you explain the bit about LyLo? I'd think with Scum having a variable number of kills every night we can't really plot out the number of cycles we're facing with that degree of precision.
 
Just so I'm not leaving everyone hanging here, I have requested a replacement, as I don't currently feel I can reasonably participate in this game without flaking out for most of it. Good luck to everyone~
 
...okay, fuck it, clearly not going to get a vote happening in the last 5 minutes of the day even if Nictis does turn out to be wrong on the math. Might as well get something down for the record.

[x] Skip Vote
 
Night 1 End/Kill 1 Start
Alarms suddenly blare to life, signalling an imminent reactor failure. Every crew member immediately drops everything and rushes through the halls to ensure the hyperatomic fusion core doesn't go critical and wipe them from the galaxy.

Kill 1 ends at
 
Kill 1 End/Day 2 Start
Why does repairing the reactor need a multi-person simultaneous interlock anyway? That seems like a bad idea.

I dunno, prevent sabotage maybe?

Clearly it has not been working.


I just wish the alarms hadn't gone off in the middle of a data transfer. Now I have to start over and you know what the bandwidth is like.

Word.

Day 2 ends

GM Note: Apologies for the late start, I have been ill the last two days and it slipped my mind. In interest of fairness, Day end time for Day 2 has been shifted by one hour to provide players the full day phase.
 
Here is my worry - I'm not sure if I'm gonna know if skipping was a good move or not the next day. I can't imagine we're in a good place if we don't have some leads by then, it feels like tempo is gonna go really against us - two kills a night and none of them on the crew side is heavy.
I'm not convinced Nictis is correct about this being the right move, but he's right on one thing; two kills per night is unlikely to be a constant.

There are, after all, seven places a player can be, between the tasks. n1, if the scum visit two random tasks to try to kill, they don't, actually, have a guarantee anyone shows up to their task; with eleven players, you'd 'expect' 3 places to be doubled up.

Even if they get someone, what if they get two someones? Killing someone in a triad this early means the other guy is gonna finger you as scum, and even a myslynch just means you're up next day.

(I actually wrote that first part of the post before day's end, and then decided if scum didn't think of it no reason to point out to them they shouldn't kill if in a group of three before they make the decision.)

Anyways. reactor, huh? Not what I expected.

(okay there we go actual day start)

So uh. I've totally lost my train of thought over the night. Sign-off, who's still alive? I disbelieve in a no death reactor night, so we're missing someone.
 
I'm around and safe. According to the reactor message, everyone was there, which... I don't think tells us anything about kills?
It just tells us any of us could be scum and any of us could be dead, until otherwise eliminated.

In this regard, the people who voted to skip the vote are moved up my suspicions somewhat, since I'm pretty sure a reactor n1 denies us all actionable info from the night, and puts as at just -1 townie.
 
It just tells us any of us could be scum and any of us could be dead, until otherwise eliminated.

In this regard, the people who voted to skip the vote are moved up my suspicions somewhat, since I'm pretty sure a reactor n1 denies us all actionable info from the night, and puts as at just -1 townie.
I mean we also now know that n2 is safe from sabotage, so every info that we get in there can't be manipulated by the imposters
 
lessee.

Oh yeah, to get this out early.

[x] Skip Vote

Unfortunately, even though Nictis started all this skip voting, I'm pretty agnostic as to if that's scummy relative to what I'd expect from Nictis.

Null-ish, scum-lean but could easily be town.
[X] skip vote

Anything else would be a random elimination at this point that restricts our information. Another data point on night actions is probably worth more than an 18 percent chance of hitting scum.

I may be underestimating Meso, but this jives with the level of analytical ability I anticipate out of Meso, in general, to be townie.

Town-lean. Supported it, but I don't think especially likely to be scum unless perhaps with Nictis.

[x] Skip Vote

Self preservation vote. I think this has better odds than pushing Nictis D1.

Hard-null. Self-preservation is entirely valid, so I buy this as townie, but of course it's still valid for scum.

I think in this kind of set-up we can honestly benefit from a no-lynch rather than a rather shot in the dark right now. Game start was not at the best time for me so...I have a shoddy day one...again. Smashes head on desk

Anyway back to the point... I don't think anyone is overtly dinging on my susdar and even if Scum sabatoge tonight I believe we're in a position to get info off that.

[X] Skip Vote

Oddly enough however the only other time I recall Nictis seriously pushing a skip vote was when we were demons together in the 3rd or 4th archdemon game. :V

Cyricubed is the fourth vote, which from a wagonnomics perspective is somewhat of a sweet spot for scum opportunism (third or fourth vote on a wagon neither seals the deal nor kicks it off, reducing baseline expected scrutiny. Obviously, open to wine, but.). Moreover, I feel like this is more forced/out of character for Cyric, even aside suspicious joking.

Ergo;

[x] Vote Cyricubed.

[X] Skip Vote
as I had noted before that I am not sure if we can get info from the wagons here

Entirely characteristic of Scia d1.

Town-lean. Maybe just null.

Here is my worry - I'm not sure if I'm gonna know if skipping was a good move or not the next day. I can't imagine we're in a good place if we don't have some leads by then, it feels like tempo is gonna go really against us - two kills a night and none of them on the crew side is heavy.

So... we need this to be falsifiable in terms of turning up info.

I can't see any other choice now though. We couldn't organize a vote this late, I don't think.

So formally
[x] Skip Vote

But I really want a more solid explanation of what we're getting out of it later.

town read. Voted to skip but was vocally questioning it and largely aligned with my thoughts.


Total newbie, characteristc newbie move to go with the flow. Obviously, could have been advised by a scum-mate, but not any more likely to be scum for the vote.

Null.

...okay, fuck it, clearly not going to get a vote happening in the last 5 minutes of the day even if Nictis does turn out to be wrong on the math. Might as well get something down for the record.

[x] Skip Vote

I should probably look into Wiadi's other d1 posts, as I initially read this as opposing skip but voting for it ala nemo, but in retrospect it seems to be backing Nictis reasoning.

Also Wiadi is on average an undercredited scum player, I'd have to say.
 
...you've been at these types of games for a while, haven't you?
Heh. Let's see, I joined in Mafia 15, I read every past game except Mafia 9, and this is Mafia 61, all of which since 15 I have either ran, played in, or at least observed, and I played in an additional 6 on the short lived SB community, as well as running one there.

Discounting reading some of the mafia world championship games over on Mafia Universe, of course, where I never followed live and have yet to actually play or even make an account. Mafia fifteen was back in 2017- started november, specifically.

So yeah, I have some non-trivial experience at the game. Less than Nictis or Pawn Lelouch for sure, more than most on the site, though.
 
And upon review, Wiadi is thoroughly non-committal on the no-vote, waiting for a response from Nictis.

I think I'm confident saying never w/w with Nictis, but also scum-lean?

Still prefer Cyric for now, though.

(it's going to be very 'oh, huh' if Cyric died in the night, heh, for me.)
 
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