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Would discussing abnormalities and how they worked in LobCorp count as spoilers?
I was not subjected to the sort of pain or flashing disarray that normally accompanies a demise that time. It simply felt as though I was being transported to a different location.
So given that Dante feels the pain of whoever died, by how they died, this was either the least painful revival Dante ever had to do, with Yi Sang apparently not feeling any pain from it, or gave Dante a Glimpse of the Horrors too. It's hard to say for sure!What do you mean, "the second boss of the game causes your party members to witness the apocalypse and canonically gave one of them PTSD," what the fuck.
reading this gave me the physical sensation of a raccoon getting caught by the courtyard light at 4am while digging through your stuff and freezing up, don't jump scare me like that
God but I have gotten too used to games taking twenty hours before you're allowed to see the Good Character Writing, I wasn't expecting this level of stakes and character drama from the first dungeon. What do you mean, "the second boss of the game causes your party members to witness the apocalypse and canonically gave one of them PTSD," what the fuck. Gregor is so precious, I want to protect his feelings, if anything happens to Yuri I'll cry (something will definitely happen to Yuri).What a bunch of blorbos.
Also worth noting is that a newbie account wouldnt have a s3 to work with right now but zerban appears to have a gigachad day 1ish account so...
This is such a funny post, and the surreal part of doing this LP, because Limbus Company's storytelling is only going to go up from here. Part of the struggle -and reward- when constructing an update is in slowing down and fully appreciating everything in the earlier Cantos that was there from the very beginning, because IV-VI are just that good.
In that case how much do you want us to talk about mechanics then? I'm fine with shuting up about it if you want but Limbus is my hyperfixation and knowing that would probably be for the best so I don't desend into a yap fest.Yeah I was planning to get into the case of ID Uptie levels at the points where they originally went up automatically.
It's so goddamn hard.I love that there is absolutely like, a swarm of people who have Project Moon as the hyperfixation here, who are just doing their absolute best to keep their mouth stapled shut.
I intend to talk about mechanical things only when opportunities naturally present themselves, as there's already a lot to talk about in every update and the goal is to make each update flow naturally for the sake of those following along for the first time rather than overwhelming readers with six things at once. Generally I will use the downtime after a Canto is done to go over anything relevant to said Canto but not relevant enough to be worth bringing up in the middle of things (IDs and EGOs for example), and after that you can consider anything in the Canto fair game.In that case how much do you want us to talk about mechanics then? I'm fine with shuting up about it if you want but Limbus is my hyperfixation and knowing that would probably be for the best so I don't desend into a yap fest.
I love that there is absolutely like, a swarm of people who have Project Moon as the hyperfixation here, who are just doing their absolute best to keep their mouth stapled shut.
Pass On said:The old days of chasing down shadows
All that remains are vain memories
As if a fire swept right over me
All that's in my hands is ash dust
I have run all without rest
Those times gone by that got me choked up
Will I end up missing them too?
A long, long ways from now
When I look back on those memories
I sure hope that I can smile
With whatever time I have left to me now
I need to take my steps forward
Burning myself up until I'm no more
I must look just like a candle
Without a moment to breathe
I was thrown into turbulent days
I hope that I can take my path
A long, long ways from now
When I look back on those memories
I sure wish that I can smile
Let me, let me fly far so far away
So I can reach the stars like a bird upon the night sky
This night, this night will visit me again, I'm sure. but...
It's alright, since I can live on
It's alright
I love that whenever Project Moon does a "this is a smoke war thing" bit, you can always immediately tell because it's always the same design, with the towers in the background, with the red sky/lighting, and the muddy ground.Sure enough, anyone who's played Library of Ruina can probably tell what this is just by comparing the hellish tableux unfolding before us with some of the flashback CGs seen there.
...Man.Ishmael: "The knot. It'll come loose again if you tie it that way. There's a sailor's knot I learned on the boat. I'll teach you how to do itb ack on the bus."
I want to add, that Gregor's arm being liquidly like it appears in the CG's, isn't in fact CG exclusive. Or at least not really.
Man, not even killed in a cutscene, just unceremoniously disposed of in a mid-battle skill check you can't influence the way you'd like to. Brutal. RIP Mascot Yuri, all those death flags you raised in this update were not in vain.
Love how even when she's just sat brooding in the bus at the end of the Canto, Outis still has the Evil Vizier Face Shadow applied.
It's interesting that Ryōshū and Hong Lu appear to be having a good time in the back, though, with them both seeming to be laughing. Unsure if this is supposed to be 'these two are so detached from the rest of the group/reality that they think it's appropriate behaviour' or 'have to laugh or you'll never stop screaming', but I'm guessing the first given their behaviour so far.
And the Abnormality has me really scratching my head, now. Are they derived from people? Is it just repeating stuff from the Golden Bough's mindfuck of Gregor? Is each maggot one of the dead soldiers from G Corp? The way it uses Yuri's head to give Tomah's lines indicates something alright.
I love all the little hints at how Yi Sang is just a weird little gremlin of a man absent any context from his backstory or whatnot.Yi Sang: "Mmm... I can feel the waste collecting in my lungs. The odor is so intense, it winds back to refreshing."
Yi Sang what.
I suspect it's because of the Qliphoth Deterrence that gets mentioned later in the update, which has fascinating implications for what Dante's head might be.I don't understand why exactly, like obviously in gameplay terms dead Sinners stay dead until you reach the next rest zone in a dungeon but it's unclear why that applies in-universe.
I feel for Rodya here, trying to do a bit that you think would be funny to keep morale up only to realise you've actually managed to hit a genuinely distressing point of discomfort in your attempt to poke fun is the sort of experience that makes me want to slingshot myself headfirst into the nearest wall.Rodion: "Boo!!!"
Gregor: "But just in case one of y- GAH! Put it away! What's so funny about this?!"
Choi Han's delivery here is hysterical, I love Gregor. Rodion has herself a good laugh at Greg's expense, astonished that he of all people would be afraid of some bugs... only for the laughter to die as she realises Gregor's taking it much harder than she anticipated. Gregor brushes it off, and Outis admonishes Rodion for fucking around.
oh boy i wonder what that might meanYi Sang: "Is such a frivolous use of English not prone to blurring the original meaning?"
Ishmael: "That's what I'm sayi-"
Ishmael: "Huh, you seem to be talking a lot more than usual, Yi Sang?"
Yi Sang: "Does that reflect strangely?"
Faust: "He was never really the quiet sort. He only had a... shift recently."
OMI LOADING BG3 BACK UP TO ROMANCE KARLACH FOR THE EIGHTH TIME CAUGHT IN 4KI also realise that I really need to turn off notifications when I take screenshots for this LP because the exchange is broken up by Steam telling me all about how Omi is getting back into Baldur's Gate 3.
Greg's always quick with a joke, huh. I'm sure that's probably not a defense mechanism or anything.Vulgar Veteran: "... way. Ha- Haha."
Gregor: "Tsk. So you recognised me, huh."
Crooked Veteran: "Traitorous pissant..."
Gregor: "Ahh, you must've been dispatched to the front lines too. I look better in real life than on those flyers, right?"
Crooked Veteran: "Cut the cheeky crap! I'm disgusted that I once saluted to your face."
Gregor: "Whoah, easy there, it's not like you had to salute me in person."
Vulgar Veteran: "While you posed as a normal member of society thanks to your dumbass privilege freeing you from the side effects... we never even got a chance, you fraternizer. We were thrown away right after the war was lost."
Gregor: "... I was tossed out all the same, you know. Isn't that how it is for all the soldiers? So this is the lifestyle you chose? Rifling through the trash like actual bugs?"
I really do love the little moments where Greg's mask of affability and easy-going nature just slips for an instant or two and you get to see the bitterness and the sorrow beneath it. You don't talk like that if you don't feel strongly about the thing you're talking about, and it's clear that in the decade-plus between the end of Greg's war and his recruitment into Limbus Company that he's experienced an absolute hell of a time.Ishmael: "They'd have fared better than this if they got a job at a security company or something..."
Outis: "They spent their entire lives as soldiers. The changes required for them to start a new life must have been overwhelming."
Gregor: "You have no idea how stubbornly the stigma of a fallen Wing's remnants will haunt you. If anyone's generous enough to take you in, licking their boots is the least you can do..."
Yuri: "..."
The fact that it's probably just those three makes it kind of wild that Yuri has the exact same jacket but in red instead of blue. There's no way they got them custom designed for a low-grade Fixer office, so they really must have gone out to a cheap clothing place and intentionally picked out a different color for Yuri so she would never forget she wasn't really one of them.Aya is significantly more chilled out than Hopkins, and I have to assume co-owner of the Office with him because based on the low-grade Fixer offices seen in Library of Ruina their entire company is probably just These Three Right Here. Even so it's not much comfort to Yuri, at least not until Faust steps in.
You figure it out later on but c'mon if it's weird and ethereal it's absolutely Yi Sang you know this—A particularly noteworthy distinction to be made is that these analyses of the low-ranked peccatula are done from this... strange, personal-yet-removed viewpoint with an unclear identity to the narrator. Observation logs are usually not tagged with whoever is commenting, leaving that to be inferred by their choice of wording, but there are clearer senses of 'who where when what why' than is provided here. Curious.
Ebony Queen's Apple: "Well, I was going to wait, but with a setup like that how could I hold back?Aya: "Aw gee~ I s'pose that's for the better. Imagine you're dragged right back to life with a gaping hole in your stomach. Wouldn't that suck? Nah, y'know what, you're lucky if a hole is punched in your gut. You'd be a goner in seconds-"
LCCA bestie
"doctor gregor, i'm CIA"
Narration: His sparkling old badge seemed to signify a high rank once held.
???: "... Manager Gregor?"
One of the things I do genuinely love about this LP is getting to look back at the stuff from the beginning of the game that I haven't really thought about too much since and getting to see how many little hints and moments are tucked away from the start. Ryoshu up to this point has been characterised almost entirely by her murderous impulses and glee at committing violence, so having her react to the ending of some carnage that resulted in the death she appreciates so much by giving up a cigarette solely to help Gregor feel better speaks a lot to a more caring side than you'd think.A surprising moment of humanity from Ryoshu of all people, and another flash of vulnerability from Gregor.
Man, Greg, you're going through it, huh?Yuri: "Is it so wrong that I survived? Should I have been buried alive alongside my coworkers? When the whole building was going under, all so the Abnormalities won't escape?"
Gregor: "Khoff... it is a sin. At least down here."
Ishmael: "Kahoff, kahf. That stings a little, Gregor..."
Yuri: "A sin..."
Gregor: "But, pah... So what, buddy... You've got to live on like it's nobody's business. Cough. Laying guilt on yourself over spilt milk... will wear your heart out..."
I like that, for all that he's characterized as a bit of a meathead, Heathcliff is genuinely really insightful. He's the one who calls out the initial group of G Corp Veterans for their plan to ambush the crew when they returned, and he's the one here who basically nails the exact process of the old L Corp employees getting involved in the lottery and how that rapidly degenerated into violence when people tried to save themselves.Heathcliff: "Better them than me, ain't that right? ... An' the rest is history, I bet."
Very interesting given the timing of everything and Outis's literary allusion that the Smoke War is analogous to the Trojan War when we're talking about the City. Outis is a veteran, sure, but by implication she's presumably also the woman who ended the Smoke War, likely through some clever and horrifying plan that devastated the losing side so badly that it decisively concluded ten full years of battle.Given the chance to clear her throat and recover from showing her ass like that, Outis yet again displays that her military mannerisms are no mete bluster. Based on the number and designs of the flags she spies, she determines that they're at least 70 days into the Smoke War. What is the Smoke War? It's a terrible inter-Wing war that was waged 10 years ago between, among other factions, the old G Corp and the old (as in pre Lobotomy Corporation) L Corp.
I wonder how young Greg was when he was forced to kill for the first time? It's a depressing thought, especially since he only started slicing the apples/hearts when he finally broke down and just wanted the nightmare to end, only to realise he was trapping himself further and further by going along with Hermann's wishes.Narration (Gregor): "At some point, I realised something: I thought I woke up from the dream."
wow this almost looks like a commentary on capitalism fortunately my limbus company has no politics in it so i know not to think about itYuri: "That's... I heard that was written on the contract. We were never properly informed, though... They said such routine procedures should be skipped for efficient management..."
Yuri: "That we should face the fear."
She's done it a few times but it remains cute that Rodya calls Gregor "babe" all the time. I choose to ship it for various reasons, including the fact that she's nearly a full 20 cm taller than he is.
Jeez, I don't even know what I can add to this. I remember it being upsetting but looking back on it it really is just viscerally, deeply unpleasant on every level. Gregor has been put through the fucking wringer and he doesn't even get the catharsis of some kind of reckoning with his past. I like that even the others are unsure if doing it was the right thing to do, but for Gregor there was never any doubt that submission and acceptance of the fact that his life isn't his own is the only way to escape his past.Man. Talk about just being straight-up fucking upsetting. Gregor showed up to work today expecting to just Lock In and do a job, no matter how dangerous or dirty, and go home with a gold star on his report card. Yet from moment one the world has been grinding his nose in a past he wanted to leave behind, mundanely in how Vergilius forced him to the front to battle the G Corp Veterans (and doesn't that seem all the more pointed now, having seen what we've seen) and now Fucking Supernaturally in the form of the world of memory and emotion conjured by the Golden Bough. Even the choice of Abnormalities can only have deeper meaning for Gregor, the Queen's Ebony Stem serving a dual role of representing the woman who made Gregor what he is, and the motif of a rotten apple reflected in the flashback to how he first learned to awaken his arm. Doomsday Calendar isn't quite so on the nose but I think we can take a reasonable stab at its symbolism as reflecting Gregor's clear fatalism; in the end, his great Dive To The Heart didn't resolve so much as just stop. Gregor saw Hermann's hands descending into the world of his heart and gave up, because he knew that she always wins in the end. Doomsday Calendar foretells an inescapable doom that can only be delayed, never overcome, and Gregor believes deep down that he's living on borrowed time, trying not to let it set in as long as he has to.
Deeply, deeply, viscerally upsetting that success or failure on the check is immaterial, and Yuri dies no matter what.Gregor passes.
Narration: Gregor managed to escape, but it seems Yuri couldn't. The fruit's flesh melted to form a new body.
But it doesn't matter.
Narration: Don't feel too guilty about it. One lost life is better than two.
real fucking ominous thank you hermannHermann: "You should at least finish unwrapping what I gave you. That little arm isn't all there is to it."
This hurts a lot, particularly after Greg spent the entirety of the early portion of the Canto being the target of hatred and blame from the former G Corp vets. Back then, he'd deflect with a joke or even argue against the idea that he deserved their ire, but now after everything he's the one stepping up to declare that it's all his fault. He'll take all the blame for everything.
Man indeed, i just realized what that knot is recently too.
Almost! Gregor's father remain unnamed in the novel, and instead we get Hermann from Franz Kafka's own father, Hermann Kafka. The two did not have a good relationship, shown in Franz Kafka's 'Letter to His Father".Worth mentioning that in the original novel, Hermann was Gregor dad. He killed him at the end of the novel with a thrown apple cracking his shell and leaving him to die, slowly and painfuly, having gotten a job after living of Gregors hard work pre-transformation.
Got so used to thinking of book dad as Hermann lol. But yeah Kafka had father problems, so it's kinda strange they made Hermann a woman. We will see later how PM handels gender bending characters and this one feels odd for some reason. Fathers and Mother have a diffrent dynamic to it for a lack of a better way of saying it.Almost! Gregor's father remain unnamed in the novel, and instead we get Hermann from Franz Kafka's own father, Hermann Kafka. The two did not have a good relationship, shown in Franz Kafka's 'Letter to His Father".