Age of Ice and Blood: A Pathfinder System Heroic Fantasy Quest

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Perhaps we should seem less like we are bemoaning our fate, and be more to the point? Also less disclosing non-relevant info, like this?

--[] Roland and Esha will attempt to use a mix of diplomacy and bluffing (enhanced by her Innocence ability), using Aid Another on one another as the situation allows, to try to convince the Formless that we need not be its enemies. We were merely pawns in the plots of others, victims of circumstance who saw no viable alternative once we unknowingly but quite literally stepped into the belly of the beast, whether the plots be the games of a capricious Oceanid whole stole Ansefu in the first place or the tests of whatever sort of monster the "Great Worm" ended up being. We do not wish to be enemies with anybody, though it seems we are fated to be enemies with at least daemons and perhaps the dragons; with the Formless we do not need to be enemies.
Yeah, that works. Added it to the plan.
Also I still think it might be good to try to offer it something if we have no way to come to an accord otherwise. Don't do it if you feel it superfluous, but I would add something along the lines of:

--[] If the negotiations for it to stop messing with us are not going successfully, try to reach a deal with it by finding something that it might want, such as some way of giving it feelings, sensations, experiences it might want? Or perhaps it might want to play some kind of game with us?
I'm opposed to offering it anything at this point, at least in the opening round of talks. If it comes to that, so be it, but only after we see how this initial exchange plays out.
 
I'm opposed to offering it anything at this point, at least in the opening round of talks. If it comes to that, so be it, but only after we see how this initial exchange plays out.
If there is a possibility that we will actually offer it something, I think we should include it in this vote, conditionally of course, because I'm wary of getting the same not so good result we once got in a roughly analogous situation with Ulk with this vote.

It was a social confrontation, we debated if we need to specify a possible conditional follow up if the first round of the confrontation would not get us results, and decided that we do not yet, with the expectation that we would be able to do it in the following vote if we'll actually need to. We didn't get much, and in the following vote we could have tried some follow up, there was a write-in option, but the good moment for pressing him has passed, we got distracted with other things and eventually Ulk was able to slip us and shank the Danuk chief. Maybe if we included possibility of pressing him harder in the vote we could have prevented that?

I'm 100% with you that we should never give more than we actually have to, but why not be prudent and safeguard against the possible unfavorable outcome, conditional on if we'll really need to, of course?

I'll understand if you think I'm not reading the situation correctly or worrying too much or trying too hard, but please consider offering it something if, explicitly, we can't get what we want with simple talking after the first round of talks.

Something like this, maybe?

--[] If after everything is said and done it looks like negotiations are going unfavorably to us and the thing will continue stalking us and messing with us, or if it wouldn't even talk to us, consider trying to reach a deal with it by finding something that it might want, such as some way of giving it experiences, sensations, feelings it might want? Or perhaps it might want to play some kind of game with us?
 
I'll understand if you think I'm not reading the situation correctly or worrying too much or trying too hard, but please consider offering it something if, explicitly, we can't get what we want with simple talking after the first round of talks.

Something like this, maybe?

--[] If after everything is said and done it looks like negotiations are going unfavorably to us and the thing will continue stalking us and messing with us, or if it wouldn't even talk to us, consider trying to reach a deal with it by finding something that it might want, such as some way of giving it experiences, sensations, feelings it might want? Or perhaps it might want to play some kind of game with us?
I get where you're coming from, yet I'm still not willing to make any sort of suggestion or offer for compensation. That's just not a good way to handle this sort of encounter, IMO. It makes us look weak and desperate, and we are neither of those. The most I'm willing to include is this:

---[] If, after everything is said and done, it looks like negotiations are going unfavorably to us and the thing will continue stalking us and messing with us, or if it wouldn't even talk to us, consider trying to reach a deal with it by finding something that it might want as recompense.

This leaves the ball entirely in the Formless' court to say what it wants.
Finally caught up to the quest, happy to be here.
Welcome aboard!
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jun 26, 2022 at 10:30 AM, finished with 28 posts and 5 votes.

  • [X] Play along while the others search for the real Ansefu.
    -[X] Try to determine if it really means to impersonate Ansefu by asking leading questions and gauging its reactions. Ask any other fitting questions which might provide insights its mindset and attitude towards us without making it obvious that we are aware of its nature.
    -[X] Finally, when there are no more things to learn or when the charade is up, ask it if it wouldn't be more comfortable in its true form after positioning ourselves to avoid a sudden physical attack if it tries to make one.
    --[X] Before doing this, we'll try to surreptitiously get people into position to attack if it becomes necessary; i.e. Inge within Snowball range, Zaia nearby and able to use bombs (only after drinking a Targeted Bomb Admixture extract, of course), Wanderer will be nearby but out of sight, etc. Mages will have buffed each other and Swift Pebble, Marcella will have been alerted, etc. Esha will use her Swift Actions each round to maintain a Soul Ward on Roland.
    -[X] Assuming violence doesn't immediately erupt, try to continue conversing with the Formless. In this case, Esha will make her way nearby so she can participate in the conversation. Esha will already be using Zaia's Focused Scrutiny extract as there is no reasonable way for Roland to have imbibed it beforehand.
    --[X] Roland and Esha will attempt to use a mix of diplomacy and bluffing (enhanced by her Innocence ability), using Aid Another on one another as the situation allows, to try to convince the Formless that we need not be its enemies. We were merely pawns in the plots of others, victims of circumstance who saw no viable alternative once we unknowingly but quite literally stepped into the belly of the beast, whether the plots be the games of a capricious Oceanid whole stole Ansefu in the first place or the tests of whatever sort of monster the "Great Worm" ended up being. We do not wish to be enemies with anybody, though it seems we are fated to be enemies with at least Daemons and perhaps the Dragons if whispers of them stirring from their long slumber are true; with the Formless we do not need to be enemies.
    ---[X] If, after everything is said and done, it looks like negotiations are going unfavorably to us and the thing will continue stalking us and messing with us, or if it wouldn't even talk to us, consider trying to reach a deal with it by finding something that it might want as recompense.
 
Arc 15 Post 4: Mercurial Menace
Mercurial Menace

Tenth Day of Olweje-eza (Olweje Ascendant), 1349 A. L. (After Landfall)

Forcing a smile on salt chafed lips you smile, a wordless lie, and then at last you ask what he plans to do about rebuilding the city after the fires, which of the nobles he plans to bring into his confidence, questions you would not have asked of the true Ansefu for it is none of your affair how a foreign king manages his land but to which now you bend a careful ear.

"One clan chief is much the same as the other, are they not?" the false king waves vaguely towards shore, then snaps his fingers so fast they almost seem to blur in the air. "I know perhaps I can allow Ohun to retire to the lonely shores that call him and instead seek out learned men like you have gathered in your company, they were more skilled in dealing with the Anjo-Oru were they not?"

"I would not be too hasty in seeking strangers for such company, for they would all too easily be foes..."

He peers at you with wide eyes that almost seem to gleam in the pale sunlight that passes under clouds. "But you were a stranger and well did meeting you serve the folk of Lirman. Why, not only did you deal with the Anjo-Oru, but you made bargains with the spirits of lonely places and you banished those who had taken the place of the lord of the Iranea. It just seems to be a matter of choosing the right stranger does it not?"

"And picking mushrooms in the woods is 'just' a matter of knowing to avoid the poisonous ones," you snort. "I still wouldn't want to eat nothing but mushrooms from the woods the summer though."

"You would starve even if you were not poisoned..."

Not the answer you had been expecting, though some of your distraction might be from seeing Zaia climb on deck, armed and ready for battle under the dusty grey cloak he had taken to wearing to keep out the rain.

Seeing your confusion the false king explains: "Mushrooms are less solid than they seem, just a bit of fluff and an aroma under the nose, you would be more lucky trying to eat Goldheart like a rabbit."

"I do not know the word..." you start, but Zaia breaks in.

"It is the flower chamomile which the Greeks called Earth Apple and the Goths call the Water of Life... of which pardon lord, but I have seen none in the islands, east or west."

A flash of annoyance passes over the spirit's stolen features, then one of amusement. "Well that will teach me not to try to make interesting conversation before the main event." He shakes his head in mock sadness. "The 'king' is fine save for his pride. I tied him up in his cabin and took his clothes. Wanted to see if you could take a bit of a jest..."

"I see no jest here," you reply sharply, though you feel relieved to hear that nothing worse had been done to him. "He is a guest on this ship and you have laid violent hands on him."

"Oh... then were the blows of club and slash of sword and conjuring of ice all the caresses of friendship?" he laughs again, all the more unnerving for the fact that you hear no mockery to it, just honest mirth. "Strange is thine courtesy."

"Such was our path from the bowels of the beast," you reply, carefully measuring your words. "I make no claim to virtue in the matter and if it is pardons you seek then I offer them freely."

"Well of course you do, they cost you nothing," comes the cheerful reply. "But that if you could bear the weight...?"

"Enough!" Esha's voice rings out proud and commanding as you have never heard her speak. "One game into another leading, one link to another binding and we will have forged our own chain for your amusement. Neither justice nor honor interests me in the least, only this: what will it take for you to leave this place without making more trouble than we would otherwise get into?"

"Do I seem like a seer to you fair lady?" the false Ansefu leers, though in such a blatant manner it would not look out of place on the village green at festival. "How should I know what you otherwise might get into?"

"She means the trouble of destroying the form you now wear and banishing you whence you came," you reply reaching for your sword, even as you keep your tone neutral, almost bored.

He changes manner quick as an eel between your fingers, though not as you had expected. Instead of charging one of you the false Ansefu shrugs and says. "Fine then I need a warm dry place for five of my get to live as men, they are man-like in the main, though they can at least slip off a face or two and they would go mad with boredom without the company of their near fellows, some place near the shore."

You look to Esha, but she shrugs. 'I don't have to know about every strange thing', her expression seems to say.

"Youngest is eighty five turns of the moon, oldest is a hundred and twenty," the odd thing replies now all business. How had you gone from potential foes to fostering? you wonder bewildered even as you work out the numbers in your head. Youngest is seven and a bit, oldest is ten... and all of them can change their faces and God alone knows how they have been raised. Yet in the balance... it is a way to avoid making a foe with a long memory.

"You almost took my life so it's only fair that you put your backs to helping grow my kin-blood," the spirit adds sounding very definitive about the matter.

Do you take the deal?

[] Yes, at least it will spare you a foe, how bad can children be no matter how strange

[] No, you will not take on something of such import as fostering or apprenticing children from what seems a whim


OOC: If this seems strange and surreal... it is supposed to. Proteans do have a kind of logic, but it is very much their own and it can at times be rather dreamlike.
 
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@DragonParadox, some questions:

1. Is there a time limit, or is effectively unlimited?
2. Will we need to provide for them, or do they have their own means?
3. Is it a requirement that they live near where we are, or is it theoretically possible for them to live anywere warm and dry near the shore as long as we guarantee them a place to live?

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4. And I assume if we take them on, the deal would be null and void if they harm us in any way, or is there no such condition?
 
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@DragonParadox, some questions:

1. Is there a time limit, or is effectively unlimited?
2. Will we need to provide for them, or do they have their own means?
3. Is it a requirement that they live near where we are, or is it theoretically possible for them to live anywere warm and dry near the shore as long as we guarantee them a place to live?

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4. And I assume if we take them on, the deal would be null and void if they harm us in any way, or is there no such condition?

You are going to be handed a bunch of children by an inhuman shapeshifter and then told 'take care of them', how you interpret that is up to you, he is not fey and does not go into exact contracts. As for means they have none.
 
I'm actually not sure on this one.

If we don't, we might be stuck with our stalker for gods know how long, until they are sufficiently bored? Who knows how much time that will be, and what could happen in the mean time. The naunet can make our life seriously worse depending on its whims, and we can't handle it, we are effectively at its mercy.

And there are no conditions attached to taking on the children, so we can rear them as we see fit and maybe achieve acceptable integration into our company and the society at large?

On the other hand, the naunet doesn't seem that malicious, so maybe even if we decline, we can weather its antics until it becomes bored and leaves us?

Eh, right now I'm leaning to take them on.

[X] Yes, at least it will spare you a foe, how bad can children be no matter how strange
 
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[X] Yes, at least it will spare you a foe, how bad can children be no matter how strange

In a couple dozen years we'll have cool new Knights!
 
How about an alternative arrangement?

Lina, Ohun, Ansefu...shit, the whole damned populace of Apuku really, owes us big fucking time. We pulled their asses out of the fire, literally and figuratively, and on more than one occasion. And when we departed, just days ago, we didn't even ask for a reward for our latest assistance.

What if we asked Lina and Ohun, and perhaps Ansefu depending on his state of mind, to repay us in part by taking on the care of the Changeling children? The little monsters are only in danger of being left on our doorstep due to the consequences of freeing Ansefu (yet more aid we've given Apuku), after all, and this presents a significant opportunity for them, especially Lina. She burned bridges when she sneaked away from her Formless allies, so helping to raise a gaggle of their Changeling offspring could ameliorate any hard feelings they have toward her and help to establish a more amicable relationship between the throne, the Formless, and even the ocean Fey.
 
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How about an alternative arrangement?

Lina, Ohun, Ansefu...shit, the whole damned populace of Apuku really, owes us big fucking time. We pulled their asses out of the fire, literally and figuratively, and on more than one occasion. And when we departed, just days ago, we didn't even ask for a reward for our latest assistance.

What if we asked Lina and Ohun, and perhaps Ansefu depending on his state of mind, to repay us in part by taking taking on the care of the Changeling children? The little monsters are only in danger of being left on our doorstep due to the consequences of freeing Ansefu (yet more aid we've given Apuku), after all, and this presents a significant opportunity for them, especially Lina. She burned bridges when she sneaked away from her Formless allies, so helping to raise a gaggle of their Changeling offspring could ameliorate any hard feelings they have toward her and help to establish a more amicable relationship between the throne, the Formless, and even the ocean Fey.
Not sure if there is any actual connection between this naunet and Lina's former Formless associates, so we can't be sure we can count on her.

But we can probably make a case to Ansefu that we had to do it as a consequences of getting him back and that he is somewhat honor-bound to take this burden off of us, and Ohun should be overjoyed to get Ansefu back and we can probably make the case to him.

But would it actually fulfill naunet's expectations? And, more importantly, that would squander a part of the debt Ansefu and Ohun have to us, making us less likely to get significant help from them in areas they can provide, in particular with spells, potiions and magical knowledge from Ohun.
 
Give each of them a colored armband to tell them apart. Let them think they're very clever when they swap the armbands around. ;)
 
I think Inge could use friends her own age. It's brilliant she can rally divine power and ride into battle literally side by side with us, but that's not the be all end all of childhood development and the like.
[X] Yes, at least it will spare you a foe, how bad can children be no matter how strange
 
@DragonParadox, rather than inserting it into a vote or trying to build a chapter around it, can we go ahead and find out what the Formless things of us leaving its spawn in the care of others? For example, if we had them raised at Wayfarer's Respite or convinced Lina to take them on as royal wards in Apuku?
 
@DragonParadox, rather than inserting it into a vote or trying to build a chapter around it, can we go ahead and find out what the Formless things of us leaving its spawn in the care of others? For example, if we had them raised at Wayfarer's Respite or convinced Lina to take them on as royal wards in Apuku?

You get the sense that as long as they are well cared for it should be fine... but Roland is concerned that others might not be as understanding of shapeshifting children as he and the Fellowship would be, specially among the Snwa the superstitions are quite bad.
 
I wouldn't mind taking them and trying to integrate them into the company just for the opportunity for more interesting story, who knows what that'll lead to. Marcella should satisfy the condition of "warm and dry" compared to the sea itself, so not only they can stay at our places, they can travel with us.

Maybe there is a chance one would even become a PC like Swift Pebble if the things would go right.
 
I guess we'll be opening Professor Z's School for Gifted Children at Wayfarer's Respite.
I wouldn't mind taking them and trying to integrate them into the company just for the opportunity for more interesting story, who knows what that'll lead to. Marcella should satisfy the condition of "warm and dry" compared to the sea itself, so not only they can stay at our places, they can travel with us.

Maybe there is a chance one would even become a PC like Swift Pebble if the things would go right.
Marcella is no place for five chaos-spawn, IMO. We can't be worried what kind of trouble they're going to get up to when we're in some foreign port, what kind of mischief they might start just for fun, etc.
 
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