Is it taking in account Marcella's unique aberration capabilities, her increased speed and ability to sail without/against the wind?
Age of Ice and Blood: A Pathfinder System Heroic Fantasy Quest
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If we do that with the Marcella we will end up on Golarion. No thanks.
It is, without it in the sometimes windless tropical regions you might take even longer. It's not quite as bad as the doldrums of the pacific but the way down the coast of Africa was not well loved by sailing ships during the Age of Exploration and for all her arcane advantages the Marcella is a much simpler ship than those.
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Golarion is not E6! I am up for it!
Surprisingly, in 4.04 trip to the "Great Land" took "4 action points" out of 7, dedicated to te seasonal actions.
Golarion is not E6! I am up for it!
Surprisingly, in 4.04 trip to the "Great Land" took "4 action points" out of 7, dedicated to te seasonal actions.
Yeah, that was me badly underestimating how much time it would take back when I just drew a line on a map, a journey there and back should be closer to two seasons than one.
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@DragonParadox , another geek question: are the Trade winds exist in this age?
Yes they do and speaking of the trade winds you guys are in luck, according to this article if I am parsing it out right the North Atlantic circulation shoud be shifted altogether south on account of the giant ice sheet making it a lot drier over what would be northern Europe (the Fennoscandian ice sheet) so... yeah cut that travel time back down to 90 days
Sorry for all the back and forth, it's just that this is really dense climate nerd stuff and I am a different sort of nerd (history and sociology).
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It's not that I'm against doing it, necessarily. There is too much uncertainty to plan so far ahead of time, IMO.
Antonio can't plan a voyage that far south hoping there will be enough valuable cargo available for us in Korman/Apuku. We won't know the state of the island or its finances until we arrive, whether there will be supplies we can purchase for the trip, etc. There has been a war going on between the pirates of the Anwari islands, so shipping in the region has probably been reduced due to asshole pirates being assholes, and Winter will have just ended shortly after our arrival.
We might get paid well for helping Aina, if we're lucky, but there might not be much we can do with the money, in which case we would need to sail elsewhere to buy a cargo.
Basically, I'm trying to say that it doesn't make any sense to plan to sail south to the Inaurna Empire directly from Apuku/Norman because we won't have enough information by the time we leave Orinilu, and we can't leave Orinilu without establishing a firm plan for now our affairs will be managed in our absence. We can't just say "do this if we're gone two months, or this if we're gone 8 months" to whoever we leave behind in Wayfarer's Respite.
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While reading last update I was conspiring ways to try and recruit him for some sort of mercenary work. Turns out I got beat with the much better plan of trying to convince him to be the night-watchman. A perfect spot for an honorable minded semi-desperate noble.
Also since there is now a keep built, I think working to help provide some semblence stability in the local region where possible is only good business. Then comes the farther journeys.
While reading last update I was conspiring ways to try and recruit him for some sort of mercenary work. Turns out I got beat with the much better plan of trying to convince him to be the night-watchman. A perfect spot for an honorable minded semi-desperate noble.
Also since there is now a keep built, I think working to help provide some semblence stability in the local region where possible is only good business. Then comes the farther journeys.
I understand your point, but is uncertainty that large?
We don't have to rely on hope for the trade goods, DP said there are valuable trade goods for sure between any two places thousands of leagues apart, and Antonio can find them:
Last we've seen of the war with Korman, it was on a low ebb, just occasional raiding, and again as DP said, raiding is a year-round business on Sunset Islands because of the sufficiently mild weather, so it's nothing new, and there is no debilitating damage to trade compared to the usual.
And that's not taking into account that we'll definitely also have Apuku markets for trade good and supply purchase after the daemons are defeated, travel between Korman and Lirman is just several days. We got supplies in Apuku for two ships for a season of travel to the White Lands during war, we'll be able to get supplies for one ship for two seasons of travel to the south during peace.
And we'll have liquid money to buy trade goods and resupply in Sunset Islands because we'll sell there for profit trade goods that Antonio is securing now to buy here in Orinilu.
So now that we have a definite time frame for a journey and are sure that we'll be able to get trade goods and supplies at Sunset Islands, we can plan to definitely go to Inaurna and plan with whoever will stay at the Wayfarer's Respite for our return after 8 months.
As for me, that plan is pretty certain, no less than our tin trade journey to the north. Does it look certain enough for you?
Edit: As DP just clarified, maybe can't get suitable trade goods for Inaurna in Sunset Islands, but we can get them here in Orinilu if we plan accordingly, and Marcella's capacity is sufficient for both trade goods for Inaurna and some trade goods to sell in Sunset Islands to have liquidity to resupply there, so the plan is certain even with that caveat.
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@myrix that statement was for getting goods from Orinilu and then sailing them down the coast, the Sunset Islands are a good bit less populous and have fewer unique trade goods. If you want to make that journey profitably I suggest getting goods from here when you set off west tthis spring and having on to them until you make it down south
Marcella's cargo capacity is greater than other ships we've seen so far, so she can sail from Orinilu with sufficient quantities of both trade goods for Inaurna and some trade goods to sell in Sunset Islands, correct?
Yes, she can.
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IMO? Yes.
Travel times being what they are, if we head south after Apuku, we might as well accept that we won't be returning to Orinilu and Wayfarer's Respite until next Winter. I don't see us being able to get our business taken care of in Orinilu, securing guards for the keep, arranging supplies for them, etc., before we depart this Spring. We'll need to leave a certain amount of funding with them, too.
At the very least we should return to Orinilu after Apuku to get our 8,000 gold from the horse breeding venture. Our liquid funds are not great at the moment, not if we're going to have to manage upkeep for several seasons at sea, so that money would go a long way towards suring up our finances.
I'm hoping our trip to Apuku is fruitful, in both loot and treasure, but I'm not counting on it.
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Can I just say that it is really nice to see people talk about travel and opportunity cost.
This is one of the big reasons why I made this world P6, so I would not have to deal with the scourge of teleportation all the time and every place being right next to every other place for all practical purposes
This is one of the big reasons why I made this world P6, so I would not have to deal with the scourge of teleportation all the time and every place being right next to every other place for all practical purposes
Well you do have a invitation to them, I'll make it an action next time we have a several week long slot.
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I do not want to miss opportunity to return to Inaurna Empire with Moru and Zuku.
Situation may end in multiple ways. War could be already won when we return. We may loose to daemons. I simply do not want to restrict ourselves promising that we return soon.
@DragonParadox , what does Antonio and Zaia think about journey to Inaurna Empire?
Situation may end in multiple ways. War could be already won when we return. We may loose to daemons. I simply do not want to restrict ourselves promising that we return soon.
@DragonParadox , what does Antonio and Zaia think about journey to Inaurna Empire?
Zaia is all for it in the name of finding interesting lore and magicians with some kind of institutional lore (who unlike say the Alchemists of Agber are hopefully not going to look at him as a rival). Antonio thinks it will be profitable, but also a long and dangerous journey so he is more neutral on the matter,
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Even if we do return to Orinilu first, there is a good chance Moru and Ziku would still travel with us if our next destination is Inaurna, because it's likely they won't be able to find a suitable ship among the friendly Anwari ports that will be traveling south in a reasonable timeframe. We know it's not a popular sea route and most Anwari vessels are longships unsuitable for transporting Ziku's mount. Also, Ziku (and possibly Moru, I can't remember) really doesn't like the Anwari people, especially the sailors/pirates.
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In regards to the tinker fey I hope we can have them upgrade the Marcella somehow…actually how would up there even work? Like if we wanted her to be bigger or something to that effect
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They'll propably find a trader.
They even found one going much further north after all.
If there is a chance, it's quite small.
As Artemis1992 said, they travelled north on Anwa trader's longships quite alright:
And while Moru dislikes Anwa lords for their pirating ways, he would work with them if he recognizes that it is advantageous to the purpose:
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Eighteenth Day of Ikomi-hamba (Ikomi Descendant) 1348 A. L. (After Landfall)
Fine as the wine of Zaia's conjuring may be there are some talks that could well do without the fire in the wine. So it is with a pitcher of clear sage water that you await Neios for a talk that evening. If anything the unwavering magelight that you had asked Inge to conjure for the hour only makes it all the more clear how ill fortune had dealt with him in these last few days. While you had not wished to pry, much less to spy upon the man, what little account he had given of his doings in the city made it clear that he sought to ingratiate himself with those nobles of Orinilu who had bonds of trade and perhaps even of blood with his homeland. Alas he had found no kinship...
"I hope I do not misjudge you, my lord," he begins stiffly, then much to your further mystification adds, "Whatever rumors you have heard from that scoundrel Ukuju or his ilk, know that they are not true and that it was he and not I who overstepped the bounds of decency."
"Ah... you have me at a disadvantage, my lord." Between keeping the construction on schedule, the men training and Zaia setting the roof of his workshop on fire, for a good cause though the latter might be, you are about as well-informed on the rumors of Orinilu as you are on those of lost Rouen. "I do not know of what rumors you speak."
"Ah, to be an exile by choice and not by the cruel hand of fate," he sighs and had he sounded less dejected you might have taken it amiss. "I might as well tell you the truth before you hear his lies."
You nod cautiously and settle back to listen to the tale.
"Over the winter-descent it seemed to me that I had much in common with the captain and had found in him a sympathetic ear. He claimed that he too had come into his inheritance young and under a cloud of ill fortune, that he had suffered the depredation of thieves and the blades of murderers. Also he knows the tongue of my people, of the Nokuma, and speaks it with grace that belies his treacherous heart. He trades often in the east, he claimed, and that much I believe for I have heard it from other tongues than his. There was talk of offering me a loan upon my word that I would thus repay it once home and in possession again of my family's fortune..."
You might have asked it of us, you wish to say but you do not, for there is a part of you that understands that he might not wish to be indebted to the same strangers who had saved his life for every bite of bread and every scrap of cloth on his body.
"He wanted something from me. He knew I was skilled with a sword and..." a look of revulsion twists Neios' otherwise handsome features. "He wanted to make me a killer for hire. He asked me in so many words to provoke a duel with one of his rivals and in that duel slay the man. Ukuju even had the finery ready for the task so that the man would be more likely to respond to insult with a challenge."
Now, alas, you can well guess where this is going and unless he is a much better liar than you give him credit for you suspect Neios is saying nothing but the truth.
"I refused of course and named him the craven schemer that such a proposal showed him to be and so to his even greater dishonor the captain had two of his thugs toss me out like a beggar onto the streets and later I heard that he had been spreading tales claiming I had tried to steal from his home. I tried defending myself, but what worth is the word of a penniless foreigner beside a rich and 'upright' Captain of the League? No doubt by now he is looking for another to be his bloody sword. Why, I would wager he would even ask you to do the deed without a shred of shame." He cuts himself off, an almost fevered light in his eye. "That is it, if he would do that with others who might confirm the tale in earshot perhaps unknown to him then he might be revealed for the scoundrel that he is and my reputation would be saved." He sighs again, this time more deeply. "Oh, but I cannot ask that of you when you have already done so much for me."
What do you reply?
[] Offer to set a trap for Ukuju to rehabilitate Neios' reputation, between the cunning of Antonio and Esha you are sure you can find a way to do it
[] Enough is enough, offer him a loan (Diplomacy DC 19)
-[] Write in sum
[] Write in
OOC: Sorry for linking the big page for the Sage Water, all the other links I could find to it online to just that beverage were modern.
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Eighteenth Day of Ikomi-hamba (Ikomi Descendant) 1348 A. L. (After Landfall)
Fine as the wine of Zaia's conjuring may be there are some talks that could well do without the fire in the wine. So it is with a pitcher of clear sage water that you await Neios for a talk that evening. If anything the unwavering magelight that you had asked Inge to conjure for the hour only makes it all the more clear how ill fortune had dealt with him in these last few days. While you had not wished to pry, much less to spy upon the man, what little account he had given of his doings in the city made it clear that he sought to ingratiate himself with those nobles of Orinilu who had bonds of trade and perhaps even of blood with his homeland. Alas he had found no kinship...
"I hope I do not misjudge you, my lord," he begins stiffly, then much to your further mystification adds, "Whatever rumors you have heard from that scoundrel Ukuju or his ilk, know that they are not true and that it was he and not I who overstepped the bounds of decency."
"Ah... you have me at a disadvantage, my lord." Between keeping the construction on schedule, the men training and Zaia setting the roof of his workshop on fire, for a good cause though the latter might be, you are about as well-informed on the rumors of Orinilu as you are on those of lost Rouen. "I do not know of what rumors you speak."
"Ah, to be an exile by choice and not by the cruel hand of fate," he sighs and had he sounded less dejected you might have taken it amiss. "I might as well tell you the truth before you hear his lies."
You nod cautiously and settle back to listen to the tale.
"Over the winter-descent it seemed to me that I had much in common with the captain and had found in him a sympathetic ear. He claimed that he too had come into his inheritance young and under a cloud of ill fortune, that he had suffered the depredation of thieves and the blades of murderers. Also he knows the tongue of my people, of the Nokuma, and speaks it with grace that belies his treacherous heart. He trades often in the east, he claimed, and that much I believe for I have heard it from other tongues than his. There was talk of offering me a loan upon my word that I would thus repay it once home and in possession again of my family's fortune..."
You might have asked it of us, you wish to say but you do not, for there is a part of you that understands that he might not wish to be indebted to the same strangers who had saved his life for every bite of bread and every scrap of cloth on his body.
"He wanted something from me. He knew I was skilled with a sword and..." a look of revulsion twists Neios' otherwise handsome features. "He wanted to make me a killer for hire. He asked me in so many words to provoke a duel with one of his rivals and in that duel slay the man. Ukuju even had the finery ready for the task so that the man would be more likely to respond to insult with a challenge."
Now, alas, you can well guess where this is going and unless he is a much better liar than you give him credit for you suspect Neios is saying nothing but the truth.
"I refused of course and named him the craven schemer that such a proposal showed him to be and so to his even greater dishonor the captain had two of his thugs toss me out like a beggar onto the streets and later I heard that he had been spreading tales claiming I had tried to steal from his home. I tried defending myself, but what worth is the word of a penniless foreigner beside a rich and 'upright' Captain of the League? No doubt by now he is looking for another to be his bloody sword. Why, I would wager he would even ask you to do the deed without a shred of shame." He cuts himself off, an almost fevered light in his eye. "That is it, if he would do that with others who might confirm the tale in earshot perhaps unknown to him then he might be revealed for the scoundrel that he is and my reputation would be saved." He sighs again, this time more deeply. "Oh, but I cannot ask that of you when you have already done so much for me."
What do you reply?
[] Offer to set a trap for Ukuju to rehabilitate Neios' reputation, between the cunning of Antonio and Esha you are sure you can find a way to do it
[] Enough is enough, offer him a loan (Diplomacy DC 19)
-[] Write in sum
[] Write in
OOC: Sorry for linking the big page for the Sage Water, all the other links I could find to it online to just that beverage were modern.
Regarding the vote on Neios-Ukuju, @DragonParadox, do we know anything about if House Koire has any relationship with Ukuju? Do they have any common business? Are they rivals, allies, neutral?