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[X] Speak to Esha about her refusal to swear to not trouble the dead
Age of Ice and Blood: A Pathfinder System Heroic Fantasy Quest
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[X] Work out how the otter-kin are to be integrated into the company and paid
@DragonParadox , is the Flooded Dragon Cave still flooded?
@DragonParadox , is the Flooded Dragon Cave still flooded?
Yes, no reason why that would change.
@DragonParadox, is possibility of Esha training for +2 Will save bonus for Roland on the way to Apuku gated behind her social, or will it be available regardless?
It is gated, you need to talk to her and it is a pretty big ask in terms of time... and in terms of trust on both sides. The question of 'why would you not swear not to animate the dead' would come up naturally in that conversation.
Sorry for many questions, but it's not completely clear, would the [] Speak to Esha about her refusal to swear to not trouble the dead be enough for the training to become available, or would we need something more specific like [] See if Esha can use her connection with you mind to help you resist enchantment, but it would automatically include the question about not swearing to animate the dead?
The first is enough as long as the conversation does not go poorly.
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I'm looking forward to see Esha's reasoning here.
I suspect something about "forever" vows for a very long-lived creature, not about raising dead in specific, but we'll see.
I suspect something about "forever" vows for a very long-lived creature, not about raising dead in specific, but we'll see.
Even just for a long time, it's perfectly reasonable to not forego something just in case, even if it's not something that might seem that useful, you never know if it may come in handy in a situation when the downsides would be outweighted by benefits. Why restrict yourself without the need for it? Esha can perfectly well do not disturb the dead unless the situation really calls for it.
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I've been imagining it to be some variation of "Why should I bother vowing to limit myself just to make some self righteous priest feel better?". Esha seems to for the most part have a poor opinion of religion, likely from her own childhood as a roving serial killer's apprentice lol.
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I got the impression she cared about this, at least somewhat, it wasn't just to spite and inquiring paladin.
Good night guys, see you tomorrow as we add sentient otters to the crew of the Marcella.
[X] Speak to Esha about her refusal to swear to not trouble the dead
In that case they'll learn it's concept and use it accordingly while they're far away from home in lands that accept that currency.
Don't have time to catch up with discussion, we could pay the Otterkin as a group? It would set up structure for if we want to grow a group of barbarians too.
Our sworn men get a share, due to being the shieldwall/ our men when if Roland settles. Other groups are negotiated with independently.
So shieldwall is lifers
Our sworn men get a share, due to being the shieldwall/ our men when if Roland settles. Other groups are negotiated with independently.
So shieldwall is lifers
You could do that, Roland does not think his men will ever want to leave given that you are their last link to home... though given enough time they might try to set up families on the road, especially as the otters are a precedent of sorts.
In that case, I suggest the Leave based model of hiring is applied to the otters same as Wanderer. He gets the cut because he is the first "Official" hire, and may end up being enticed to training other hires we might pick up while adventuring in the White Lands.
This leaves the Shield Wall as Roland's version of a picked band. They are the most loyal bodyguard, and get the biggest share of the riches. Anyone who gets "knighted" or "landed" however he is capable of doing so is drawn from that.
In the future, other style of fighting are siloed into their own Contract. Anwari slingers form that group under these terms. People not from there can sign up, but they get trained in that style, for that pay, for that term. They of course can re-up, potentially with an experience pay bump? But that would depend on Wanderer to set the first examples.
Naturally others can join the Shield Wall, especially if some more fall. But that area is the one with the strongest Norman influence, and keeps a share-based system inherited from the Viking sort of democracy that spawned the culture.
This leaves the Shield Wall as Roland's version of a picked band. They are the most loyal bodyguard, and get the biggest share of the riches. Anyone who gets "knighted" or "landed" however he is capable of doing so is drawn from that.
In the future, other style of fighting are siloed into their own Contract. Anwari slingers form that group under these terms. People not from there can sign up, but they get trained in that style, for that pay, for that term. They of course can re-up, potentially with an experience pay bump? But that would depend on Wanderer to set the first examples.
Naturally others can join the Shield Wall, especially if some more fall. But that area is the one with the strongest Norman influence, and keeps a share-based system inherited from the Viking sort of democracy that spawned the culture.
Way too much, I think, looking at e.g. skilled work downtime, taking 10 on a skill with +15 bonus, which should be about right for translating work, would earn 2.5 gp per day. If you make it times 2 to account for telepathy's convenience and no limits on who to translate to, it would be 5 gp per day.
Do we even need dedicated translator? If some of otter-kin are in the company as scouts/rogues, they should translate as part of their share of work in the company, it fits with scouting / rogueing.
And before all else, we should just ask them to translate. It would not be unjust exploitation as they are explicitly going with us to satisfy their curiosity about the wider world and are willing to serve as translators for it:
Keep in mind that any retraining will take time, you cannot just teach someone to be a rogue overnight, especially since that is the PC class with the most skill ranks. Each one of those is going to need a teacher or a significant about of experience.
Vote closed.
Arc 9 Post 9: Sage's Search
Sage's Search
Twenty Eight Day of Ashinu-hamba (Ashinu Descendant) 1348 A. L. (After Landfall)
The thought comes to you in one of those companionable silences that come with the night watch, broken only by the creak of the ship and the faint sounds of sailors going about their own watch at the aft end of the galley. No matter how long you turn in place at the edge of the river you are going to have to get your feet wet to get across...
Esha catches something in your face before you can speak, a shapely eyebrow raised in askance. "What?"
"I was wondering about something you told Ziku," your voice does not stumble over the words somewhat to your own surprise given that you might be risking the good opinion that you have been acquiring for all these many months. "Why did you refuse to vow that you would not trouble the dead?"
"Ah..." she sighs. "You do not ask the easy questions, do you?" She looks down at her cup, still untouched and starts to stir it with just the tip of a finger. "I could just say that I do not wish to make a vow that holds for the whole of my life when the span of it is... longer, but that would not even be a half truth. You deserve a better answer than that, though I am not certain if you want it."
It takes you a moment to realize she is waiting for an answer and nod, a little uneasy but still resolved. There is something else you would ask of Esha and yet you feel you do not know her. Less than half the truth indeed. How long would it even take to learn the whole truth of a life that stretches back into the shadow of years uncounted?
"Everyone dies eventually, short or long, by mischance or the passage of years, there will come a time when each of us stands upon the gates of this world, a soul unclothed in flesh, and they must choose, to pass on and be judged by the uncaring to which we are as grains of sand in the cosmic scale or to linger, lost and alone on the paths of a word that is no longer our own. The gods do not love me, nor I them. I see no cause to give myself into their keeping with more trust than I have ever afforded any living being, yet I would not linger as a ragged wraith stumbling like a traveler lost in the dark woods without lantern or trail. The only soul I wish to disturb from its natural passage is my own for after all what about my very being is natural?" She laughs then, silvery and filled with a wild mirth you cannot name and yet her eyes are guarded and filled with worry.
"You want to become..." you cannot even say the words, the memories of the horrors you saw on the island all too real.
"No," she cuts you off. "Whatever you are thinking of I am trying to avoid becoming that more even than the chill halls of Ikomi, if the choice is between endless hate and grasping hunger and the pitiless hand of Ikomi I will take the latter, but there are ways and paths between them, narrow and perilous and long, but then I have a great deal of time for the journey."
How do you react?
[] Revulsion, this is madness and can lead only to ruin
[] Fear, you have seen Esha do good and even now she trusted you with his answer, but you must find the words to help her off this path
[] Confusion, this is all tangled in your mind and concerned with matters of which you know little, you wish that she had never brought it up
[] Acceptance, you have not walked in her shoes nor done the things she has done, perhaps she is right to fear the judgement of Ikomi and her kin
[] Write in
OOC: You will notice there is no unconditional acceptance option and that is intentional. What Esha just revealed about herself and her search is deeply shocking to Roland.
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I wonder what she might find, in mechanical terms.
Lichhood is one of the better paths, propably.
Bound not by hunger, hate or madness, though very likely obsession at the the least.
Lichhood is one of the better paths, propably.
Bound not by hunger, hate or madness, though very likely obsession at the the least.
@DragonParadox, editing:
Twenty Eight Day of Ashinu-hamba (Ashinu Descendant) 1348 A. L. (After Landfall)
The thought comes to you in one of those companionable silences that come with the night watch, broken only by the creak of the ship and the faint sounds of sailors going about their own watch at the aft end of the galley. No matter how long you turn in place on the edge of the river you are going to have to get your feet wet to get across...
Esha catches something in your face before you can speak, a shapely eyebrow raised in askance. "What?"
"I was wondering about something you told Ziku," your voice does not stumble over the words somewhat to your own surprise given that you might be risking good opinion that you have been acquiring for all these many months. "Why did you refuse to vow that you would not trouble the dead?"
"Ah..." she sighs. "You do not ask the easy questions do you." She looks down at her cup, still untouched and starts to stir it with just the tip of a finger. "I could just say that I do not wish to make a vow that holds for the whole of my life when the span of it is... longer, but that would not even be a half truth. You deserve a better answer than that, though I am not certain if you want it."
It takes you a moment to realize she is waiting for an answer and nod, a little uneasy, but still resolved. There is something else you would ask of Esha and yet you feel you do not know her. Less than half the truth indeed. How long would it even take to learn the whole truth of a life that stretches back into the shadow of years uncounted?
"Everyone dies eventually, short or long, by mischance or the passage of years, there will come a time when each of us stands upon the gates of this world, a soul unclothed in flesh, and they must choose, to pass on and be judged by the uncaring to which we are as grains in the cosmic sand or to linger, lost and alone on the paths of a world that is no longer our own. The gods do not love me nor I them. I see no cause to give myself into their keeping with more trust than I have ever afforded any living being, yet I would not linger as a ragged wraith stumbling as a traveler lost in the dark woods without lantern or trail. The only soul I wish to disturb from its natural passage is my own, for after all what about my very being is natural?" She laughs then, silvery and filled with a wild mirth you cannot name and yet her eyes are guarded and filled with worry.
"You want to become..." you cannot even say the words, the memories of the horrors you saw on the island all too real.
"No," she cuts you off. "Whatever you are thinking of, I am trying to avoid becoming that more even than the chill halls of Ikomi, if the choice is between endless hate and grasping hunger and the pitiless hand of Ikomi I will take the latter, but there are ways and paths between them, narrow and perilous and long, but then I have a great deal of time for the journey."
How do you react?
[] Revulsion, this is madness and can lead only to ruin
[] Fear, you have seen Esha do good and even now she trusted you with his answer, but you must find the words to help her off this path
[] Confusion, this is all tangled in your mind and concerned with matters of which you know little, you wish that she had never brought it up
[] Acceptance, you have not walked in her shoes nor done the things she has done, perhaps she is right to fear the judgement of Ikomi and her kin
[] Write in
OOC: You will notice there is no unconditional acceptance option and that is intentional, what Esha just revealed about herself and her search is deeply shocking to Roland. Not yet edited.
Sage's Search
Twenty Eight Day of Ashinu-hamba (Ashinu Descendant) 1348 A. L. (After Landfall)
The thought comes to you in one of those companionable silences that come with the night watch, broken only by the creak of the ship and the faint sounds of sailors going about their own watch at the aft end of the galley. No matter how long you turn in place on the edge of the river you are going to have to get your feet wet to get across...
Esha catches something in your face before you can speak, a shapely eyebrow raised in askance. "What?"
"I was wondering about something you told Ziku," your voice does not stumble over the words somewhat to your own surprise given that you might be risking good opinion that you have been acquiring for all these many months. "Why did you refuse to vow that you would not trouble the dead?"
"Ah..." she sighs. "You do not ask the easy questions do you." She looks down at her cup, still untouched and starts to stir it with just the tip of a finger. "I could just say that I do not wish to make a vow that holds for the whole of my life when the span of it is... longer, but that would not even be a half truth. You deserve a better answer than that, though I am not certain if you want it."
It takes you a moment to realize she is waiting for an answer and nod, a little uneasy, but still resolved. There is something else you would ask of Esha and yet you feel you do not know her. Less than half the truth indeed. How long would it even take to learn the whole truth of a life that stretches back into the shadow of years uncounted?
"Everyone dies eventually, short or long, by mischance or the passage of years, there will come a time when each of us stands upon the gates of this world, a soul unclothed in flesh, and they must choose, to pass on and be judged by the uncaring to which we are as grains in the cosmic sand or to linger, lost and alone on the paths of a world that is no longer our own. The gods do not love me nor I them. I see no cause to give myself into their keeping with more trust than I have ever afforded any living being, yet I would not linger as a ragged wraith stumbling as a traveler lost in the dark woods without lantern or trail. The only soul I wish to disturb from its natural passage is my own, for after all what about my very being is natural?" She laughs then, silvery and filled with a wild mirth you cannot name and yet her eyes are guarded and filled with worry.
"You want to become..." you cannot even say the words, the memories of the horrors you saw on the island all too real.
"No," she cuts you off. "Whatever you are thinking of, I am trying to avoid becoming that more even than the chill halls of Ikomi, if the choice is between endless hate and grasping hunger and the pitiless hand of Ikomi I will take the latter, but there are ways and paths between them, narrow and perilous and long, but then I have a great deal of time for the journey."
How do you react?
[] Revulsion, this is madness and can lead only to ruin
[] Fear, you have seen Esha do good and even now she trusted you with his answer, but you must find the words to help her off this path
[] Confusion, this is all tangled in your mind and concerned with matters of which you know little, you wish that she had never brought it up
[] Acceptance, you have not walked in her shoes nor done the things she has done, perhaps she is right to fear the judgement of Ikomi and her kin
[] Write in
OOC: You will notice there is no unconditional acceptance option and that is intentional, what Esha just revealed about herself and her search is deeply shocking to Roland. Not yet edited.
If there is one thing Pathfinder/D&D does not lack for it's undead templates.
I think she is trying for something entirely unique for herself, to stay as close to her pre-death life as possible, with just life extension / stopped aging as the holy grail, and it needn't correspond to anything mechanical.
And I'm all the way with her, ethical life extension is awesome, and if she prefers to not pass away from the world and wants to find ways to prevent it, good.
[X] Acceptance, you have not walked in her shoes nor done the things she has done, if she prefers to not pass away from the world and wants to find a way to prevent it, it's her business, even if it's deeply alien to you
[X] Acceptance, you have not walked in her shoes nor done the things she has done, perhaps she is right to fear the judgement of Ikomi and her kin
@DragonParadox, question, we didn't get anything from re-examination of Willowbrook, dead dragon egg and its gold sheet, Inge's dragoncrafting insight was the only thing?
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