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My view is that in the event of an invasion from space, given the conditions we'll be fighting under:
1) It's very likely that the war would be over before a planetary navy could mass effectively to counter a landing force that actually made planetfall and wasn't promptly blasted into oblivion by nuclear cruise missiles, thus making its notional ability to engage alien atmospheric strike craft rather less helpful.
2) The ships would be extremely visible from space and vulnerable to orbital bombardment. Granted, the ships are nominally mobile enough to evade direct fire from unguided kinetic impactors. However, it is my belief that the circular error probable of unguided impactors will be quite unfavorable anyway, to the point where, much like a 1960s ICBM, the likely response is to increase the impact yield to compensate for the large CEP, in which case your ship is trying to steam far and fast enough to evade something with a blast radius of up to several kilometers. The ship's mobility is not as great an advantage as the ship's visibility is as a disadvantage.
3) I consider the more realistic threat to wet navy shipping from orbital attackers ('generic' orbital attackers rather than a perfectly exact replica of the force that hit the Lirrir) to be something like pods full of missiles inside an aeroshell casing, which are de-orbited so the aeroshell takes the re-entry heat, and then breaks away when the payload slows down to Mach 6 or whatever and then you have a comparatively normal hypersonic cruise missile package headed for your ship. I think it likely enough that our enemies will have this capability that I suspect that a larger number of land-based batteries that are more easily concealed from sight until they engage the enemy may well, on balance, be more helpful than a smaller number of water-based batteries that cannot be concealed while underway.
However, it is infeasible for us to just literally never develop a next-generation naval surface combatant. Politics forbids, and even if it didn't, we can't go on forever with only pre-nuclear-war surface vessels plus whatever small and improvised stuff we've built post-exchange. So I suppose we need it eventually; I just don't expect it to actually do a lot of good in case of alien invasion.
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With the 26 and 18, Department Four has now dropped down to a 0.165% chance of rolling this badly on 9d100. On the bright side though, it could be worse! The pre-mulligan rolls of 4 and 19 would have dropped Department Four to a 0.063% chance, so we're already up by ~2.6 times compared to where we could have been!
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No, I just continued on the same site, just doing it again as I didn't want RNG to literally kill you.
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Good news, our fascist and paramilitaries problem are probably not going to be a problem for much longer
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Turn 12 (44AE): Democracy and Defense Results
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Turn 12 (44AE): Democracy and Defense Results
Budget: 100 Mobilizational CapacityGovernment Support: Unlimited
Alien Fleet Detected at Jumpoint:
Late into the year, a significant alien force was detected at the jump point by outer orbital forces with fifteen ships detected entering the system from FTL shock across the mining fleet and more general observational systems. The invaders made no immediate response upon landing with the fleet maintaining something of a tight formation through entry, which is likely beyond the capacity of domestic drives even if it has not yet been attempted. Six are large monolithic hulls without noticeable lensing infrastructure and a perfunctory drive system, indicating either warships of an unconventional nature, transportation ships, or some form of landers. They appear to use similar general schemes of drive systems, though curiously the ships themselves are painted instead of a more typical reflective or absorbent coating that would be expected. Further, each has a series of large blisters on their outer hulls with what current analysts believe to be landing craft carried onboard.
Another three large ships are with the fleet, though these are merchantmen, with a girder-based hull carrying material for the likely invasion force. Two of the craft seem to carry large containers with some unknown contents while the other carries thin-walled tanks of likely hydrogen or whatever fuel goes into the alien fusion drives, likely giving this fleet some strategic endurance. The vessels appear to be unarmed from telescope imagery but that is still uncertain. These are escorted by the most heavily armed ships of the force, thin elongated wedges with some form of central weapon and with turret blisters dotted all around their hulls in likely point-defense mountings. Curiously these too have no missile systems indicating that the disfavor of missiles seems to be universal. Further, the ships seem to have a multitude of standard drives, indicating either a far greater maximum thrust or some other unique capacity that would make dedicated combat craft worthwhile to field.
The last two ships represent something of a unique type of craft with a large craft that has massive drive systems dwarfing anything else in the fleet. The hull itself is modified as several conventional locations for turrets have been covered over with the frontal weapon system either removed or hidden behind a shroud. If the analysts would make a guess this is likely a dedicated EWAR craft, aimed at either C3 operations or more conventional electronic suppression. The last craft in sight is if anything the least conventional as it appears to be designed for aerodynamic operations despite being larger than any conventional or conceived aircraft, it has no obvious weapon systems but is certainly a type of high-capacity lander or transportation ship to be used for ferrying troops in the aftermath of planetfall.
Alien messaging broadcast in a perversion of language has come, declaring their force as part of some galactic community and that any local weapon systems will have to be given up to secure peace. The obvious presence of high-capacity landing ships that are likely to burn into the system has discredited the concept in its entirety as the assembled force is entirely unsuited to the declared goal of operations. The declaration is also seen as something of a good sign as legislation against the systems indicates that the Alien Enemy can be killed or brought low by them. The promise of an ecological assessment is further misguided as the ecology has already largely recovered by a domestic hand with little need for assistance by those with literal high-capacity troop landers.
[]Start Low-Intensity Mobilization: Keeping the increase of forces covert will increase the surprise to the alien enemy with economic mobilization prioritized over direct military formations getting visibly trained. This will still provide millions of men even if the Synod acceleration profile is maintained in the system and the economy itself will continue to accelerate in development over the next month before contact. The highest priority will be to hide units and economic increases, luring the Alien Enemy into as much of an ambush as possible before forces converge. (+10 Mobilization Capacity per Month)
[]Maintain the Plan: Current plans call for the call-up of units along with the militarization of the economy to an accelerated standard but there is little reason to push it harder. The industry has developed at a greater pace than previously expected possibly allowing far more capacity to be squeezed out but a proven well-organized plan can reduce the chance of another significant fuckup. This would effectivly use workshops as they have originally been designed with few provisions for greater mobilization but the system is already partially stress-tested. The Alien Enemy would likely notice something happening but parts of the training can almost certainly be hidden. (+25 Mobilization Capacity per Month)
[]Unrestricted Mobilization: Every printer can make modified versions of several weapon systems and more acutely the fine printing head can be immediately distributed and to an extent printed from modified printers. Every bit of self-replicating machinery will immediately be distributed as a series of flash drives with standardized designs provided to get every machine shop capable of production moved towards wartime production. Units will start training at scale while the merchant marine is brought up to full mobilization standards, ready to supply units for counteracting landing sites. There is no way to hide this level of mobilization but training and movement will still preferentially be done out of view of the fleet. (+50 Mobilization Capacity per Month)
Intelligence Operations:
Operation Demonic Plant: Every PSC conversation can be formally tapped with the consent of the government, providing an effective warrant in a closed session of the cabinet. This would give some cover and have the operation formerly conducted through the signals department if unofficially entirely done by reliable department four personnel. The ability to have a further layer of deniable organizations with formal powers cannot be underestimated and would further compartmentalize the department. (Reduces Army Unity) (26)
Authorization to start wiretaps has been given well before the invasion with the vote itself more of a formality than anything else. Representatives of the PSC have complained at length that this has been a massive infringement with several PPP representatives joining, declaring the act as a repeat of the panopticon despite it having none of the extent of the program nor the ability for universal surveillance. This has driven them in large numbers to already compromised applications achieving the initial goal of the program but not before the name of the army was dragged through the mud with it tied to the panopticon. Any loss of political support is a moot point with the likely incoming invasion but something of a PR department has been semi-seriously proposed for future dealings with the civilian government.
Operation Ethereal Summer: Specialized units can be raised with deniable organizational structures along with a capacity for rapid redeployment. These are going to be direct recruits from special forces that have remained comparatively normal and loyal to the democratic republic instead of the typical tendency of special forces. These teams will report directly to an explicit dual command of the Minister of Defense and Directorate head, as their likely uses will be deeply questionable. Organizing the force itself will not be controversial but using the proverbial dagger in the dark will be disruptive. (18)
The organization of de-facto special forces companies has started with few issues as recruits from across the military who qualify based on experience have been moved to teams under a parallel organizational structure. The newly formed Army Intelligence Directorate is set to grow to a single reduced brigade of forces under the current commands with the invasion accelerating recruitment and training, shifting units towards more conventional forces. If the tip of the spear must be led then AID is expected to lead the way along with conducting infiltration assaults. Deficiencies in equipment have been made up for partially by quality of command and determination and it is expected that just like in the last war these forces will not disappoint.
Procurement Decisions:
Generally, phases go from wanting something to a prototype, to low-rate production(LRP), to full-scale production. Once you have a prototype or something in LRP, you can request changes to bring it into line with military or political requirements.Militarized Orbital Frigate: Finalization of the design for the orbital frigate has come with little issue with the use of older laser technology. The craft itself has also passed initial testing of its drive system, demonstrating sufficient thrust from a prototype drive and smaller-scale examinations of missile systems. The presence of the Alien Enemy has rendered any hopes of constructing a domestic battlefleet moot as there is little that can be done before the orbits are likely seized out of local control. Options to bring the missile systems onboard to a weaponizable basis have been proposed but given the scale of the enemy, they are not expected to do anything significant. (79)
Multirole VTOL: Emergency mobilization work has proceeded better than expected for the VTOL with all but the stealth coating producible by new generation printers to make a composite HEAN skin for the craft. The loss of stealth capability is expected to degrade capabilities but the jet itself can be rushed out using pre-made stocks of turbines and missile systems. General Aerospace, Avalon Industrial Trust, and Unified Aviation Enterprises are all willing to start production, converting local printers to rationalized models capable of delivering ordinance. Production numbers will come at a cost to transport yields and there are unlikely to be enough in the immediate impact of the landing, but some inadequate planes are better than surrendering the sky to the enemy. (71)
[]Do not Commit Resources: The companies can manage on their own without additional assets being committed over. Unlimited funding alone will have to be enough to get production organized and spooled up to a significant amount as there are higher priorities for increasing production of industrial assets. This is unlikely to provide planes in any significant numbers but enough to start forming squadrons are likely to be available. (No Mobilization Cost)
[]Mild Modernizations: Expanding allocation of printing capacity and greenlighting the expansion of industrial economies will come with several issues but viable models will likely come in short order. The capacity to make the aircraft themselves is already available with the aerodynamic model mostly proven and any deficiency can be compensated through computer systems. Additional printing capacity will be allocated to production lines allowing production to be increased at an accelerated pace. (-10 Mobilization Cost)
[]Crash Commitment of Print-Capacity: Throwing everything towards the production of an airforce is a questionable decision but the planes are some of the only things that are expected to equal or exceed alien capabilities. The production of thousands of airframes is unlikely until a few months into the war as turbine capacity will be far more challenging to increase but offering an unlimited supply of spare parts along with as much labor as would be required can ensure that the continuous mobilization of the economy can try its best at building a capable airforce to stall the alien threat. (-40 Mobilization Cost)
Second Generation Infantry Equipment: Unified production of the grenade launcher, its ammunition, and the accompanying infantry systems have come with few issues as practically any workshop can produce it. The electronics in the helmet are more complex but lines specializing in the rapidly expanding demand for orbital forces have been converted with few issues, almost certain to produce more than a hundred thousand a month currently and likely up to several million before the first imperialist boot touches the surface. Production standards will have to fall to keep the program going but that has been judged as acceptable to provide forces with some form of laser protection. Augmentary systems have been designed and proposed on a prototype level with those that are the most capable placed on offer to give troops some additional options against power armor. Production capacity for making them is going to be limited due to the short timescale but every machine shop can contribute to the people's struggle. (109) (Choose as many as Required)
[]Accelerate Armor Production: Getting every conscript into a functional suit of Type 44 armor is not going to be practical under any invasion timeframe, but getting the majority of forces a helmet and some additional plating can be delivered. Current printing capacity is going to be enough to equip the professional force but rapidly increasing throughput can get the infantry onto a standard that can contest the Alien Enemy. Ironically the composite armor plating and rebreather are going to be the most complex parts of the system, but with modular mountings, they can be delivered in the first few months of the war rather than immediately. (-10 Mobilization Capacity)
[]Accelerate Small Arms Production: Getting a Type 44 Launcher into every waiting hand is a program that can be achieved with few issues and more importantly at minimal capacity. The design itself has been made to be printable and every small machine shop can make it in large numbers. The ammunition is more problematic but it is an infantry rifle and the primary round is expected to be a simple munition without electronic integration. Shortages of more advanced fragmentation munitions are expected but those are expected to be questionable against powered armor anyways. (-5 Mobilization Capacity)
[]Anti-Armor Light Rockets: Printing millions of disposable light rockets with cumulative heads in simple disposable tubes can be done without many issues. They are expected to be useless against any armor presence but individually they can act against mid-weight power armor systems, punching through plating and allowing for long-range engagements. A simple sighting complex will be made as the only non-disposable component with the rocket attached to it before firing, after which the pre-packaged rocket casing is to be discarded. The lack of large-scale capacity will make increasing production more challenging but it can still be done with units arriving in wartime. (-15 Mobilization Capacity)
[]Incendiary Impact Grenades: Synod-powered armor has generally sufficient explosive protection and fragment resistance to ignore conventional grenades but it has far worse thermal protection. Producing a high scatterability contact scattering white phosphorous grenade with enhanced penetration agents can be done without excessive issues. The casings themselves will be on loan from several printable designs with the filling of an energetically enhanced composition of phosphorus enhanced with several strong chlorinating agents to enhance penetration of armor systems and thermal load. Production numbers in the tens of millions are expected with conscripts issued them as quickly as possible to stem the tide and work as primary thrown anti-armor weapons. (-10 Mobilization Capacity)
[]Platoon Machineguns: The pre-war Type 17 MG is technically obsolete in its conventional form but a comprehensive modernization package has been proposed almost a dozen times. A simplification of the mechanism to ensure it can be printed with barrels conventionally fabricated has been approved and tested. Bringing it into production isn't going to make enough units to arm every platoon much less just the professional long-service ones but in the first months of the war, it will offer a critical advantage and a base of fire appropriate for the modern age. The use of conventional manufacturing will require the printing of heavy milling machines but that can be done without significant challenge. (-15 Mobilization Capacity)
[]Mass Mortar Tubes: Producing a portable 90mm mortar capable of dropping ordinance on the enemy has been proposed if partially dismissed due to the lacking effect of fragmentation. The need for some delivery options for smoke rounds direct-fire incendiary bombs, and several other munitions still exists and cannot be met by more advanced drone systems. Producing the tube itself out of HEA and printing the system is possible but the ammunition for it will be more challenging to produce. Rapid mobilization of artillery production will somewhat compensate but it's almost certain that the first months will be a time of artillery shortages. (-20 Mobilization Capacity)
Space Capable Buggies: Developing a buggy capable of space operations has led to several proposals for efficient electric vehicles for orbital use that have effectively all been canceled. With the demands of national defense, there can be no time spent on optimistic systems. Some of the design work has been provided to the personnel on the moon to give them some fast transport options but even these are more print-adapted theories than entirely viable designs. (29) (Canceled)
New MBT: The MBT program itself has been rationalized in the face of the alien threat with the adaption of local vehicles prioritized strongly over the development of new machines. UNISA has promised that with enough personnel and assets transferred to them, they can shift all six Type-36 plants to quadruple shifts and deliver a theoretical option for armored support on the platform. Ceramic armor packages developed against kinetic munitions can be modified to work against lasers while a crude shutter and camera system is integrated for basic aiming on standard models. Further, some old design work for modifying the IFV into a functional tank system has been dusted off and returned to duty, integrating a 120mm automatic loaded gun turret with several types of ammunition. This will be a conversion and not a true tank, but it should be adequate for providing fires. Mobilization options for the oldest of the rust buckets have also been proposed even if they reek of desperation. (77) (Choose as many as Required)
[]Give UNISA Everything: UNISA has managed to pioneer modern printer technology and the entire technical team is somberly certain that they can raise additional armor production rapidly. Over five hundred tanks are expected in the first month of production efforts at a mild reduction in Type-36 numbers with production likely to stabilize for both vehicles. After a month they believe that armor production can reach two thousand tanks and five thousand type 36 IFVs with a continuous acceleration of production limited by electronic systems. If the economy is still intact at that point a stable level of production restricted by gun system scaling can reach up to three thousand tanks and eight thousand IFVs a month. (-50 Mobilization Capacity)
[]Limited UNISA Commitment: Giving UNISA everything it wants would be nice in what they can likely deliver but there are not the resources available to increase production capacity enough to compensate. A broad remit to secure civilian automotive assets and a general increase in production can still allow them to reach significant numbers of new IFVs and tanks. The available numbers will scale on a slower basis but there will likely still be enough armor to equip professional units and compensate for attritional losses. If the aliens drop armor in significant amounts, no available armored vehicle will likely be enough allowing a relative de-prioritization. (-20 Mobilization Capacity)
[]Aplique Armor Packages: Every Type 36 is partially but not entirely protected from the likely threat of higher energy laser fire. Developing additional applique armor for coating them and protecting the vulnerable sides can be done on a limited industrial and mass budget. Thicker ablative sheets with ceramics inter-woven are the best protection that can be designed in the bounds of current material science and they will have to be enough. Ensuring that the average IFV has enough protection to attenuate high-energy laser bolts enough that they have a minimal post-penetration effect. (-10 Mobilization Capacity)
[]Mobilize Type 38 Tanks: Around five hundred hulls of wartime armor exit in a condition good enough to be mobilized. Aftermarket and mass production systems will fit into them along with new guns and new ammunition to bring them up to a high enough standard for the modern battlefield. These would take up a considerable amount of time but the full CAD model of the engine is available and nothing stops the printing of every replacement part involved. There is also no shortage of already trained crews making the obsolete 70-ton machines some of the best tanks immediately available. (-15 Mobilization Capacity)
[]Resume Type 38 Production: The old tanks can still be produced as the technical information on them is still available. Establishing new factories and new supply lines will neatly allow the current stock to be brought back into function while newer models incorporate some improved features. These would factually be obsolete but their spare parts have all been already designed to keep the current fleet operational and assembling them from hull sections is possible. The seventy-ton machines can even resist enemy light armor and laser fire, returning fire with 152mm shells that can have an adequate penetration and post-penetration effect. (-40 Mobilization Capacity)
[]Mobilize Older Tanks: The Type 23 was a deathtrap in wartime and the Type 12 is if anything worse in all aspects and less powerful but both are available in the thousands of obsolete hulls. Mounting a modern targeting system, scraping the rust, and replacing the engine and gun can rapidly get a tank force functional and provide the numbers to carry the war until actual armor can be developed or produced. Immediate options for mobilization will have several engineering projects for replacement power packs slotted in along with new 120mm guns, allowing them to at least match the firepower of newer vehicles if not the mobility or protection. (-20 Mobilization Capacity)
Politics:
Ban Paramilitaries: Allowing party-affiliated organizations to start organizing and having weapons needs to be cracked down on now before they can grow too large. Fragmentation in the commands has already led to several ideological groupings forming but something needs to be done to keep it away from the civilian sector. Establishing an absolute monopoly on force between the military and military police will not be popular but acting even-handedly will both be popular and reassure military leadership that the problem is being addressed. (Negligable Political Support Cost) (Massive Military Unity Gain) (89)
Moves to ban paramilitary activities have been made with a broad agreement across the entire political spectrum reached in short order. The parties that have struggled to organize their paramilitaries have been the most supportive of the measure but there is a broad consensus of what is to be done. As the vote has come after the arrival of the alien invasion it has been passed with a near-universal consensus, across all parties showing the flag as it were. The act itself has been modified to allow the militias to be directly drafted into the military, bringing them in by the tens of thousands before splitting them into platoons and moving them to the different second waves of mobilization units.
Reorganize Department Four: The current string of failures from Department Four is a clear sign that something is wrong. Additional personnel have been allocated but operational success still has yet to be achieved to any large extent. Re-organizing the force with fresh young faces who are more capable of navigating the modern electronic environment will be essential. The leadership involved has proven trustworthy if challenged by the role of modern security policy. These improvements may reduce its capability but will at least ensure the department can look to the future. (50B Or Cost) (86)
Capable personnel trained in the old generation of electronic systems and several old hands at the panopticon have been recruited to positions of SIGINT. Their experience is going to be essential in getting the department into shape and most have been enthusiastic supporters of the new Republic. Some old hands have technically been fired before going into organizational work with the main directorate, ensuring that critical talent was not lost to any large extent. The re-organization has still ruffled some feathers but not in a significant way and not in a way any care about given the incoming alien invasion.
Money-Free Orbital Zones: Evaluating the concept of eliminating money on the orbital stations and colonies will improve morale and allow troops to keep on station longer. Shifting the allocations to troops to ones based on their needs and delegating recreational activity on a voucher system will improve morale and allow a more responsive system. This would improve the morale of the forces in orbit, allowing them to trade recreational time and receive it for the performance of harder tasks as a bonus. (Negligable Political Support Cost) (94)
Moving orbital crews to rewards based on entertainment time instead of momentary compensation has been an uncontroversial update to procedures more than some grand demonstration. None of the crews involved have complained and neither have the officers with a broad update to policy continued through for the fleet without issue. Providing the entertainment allotments is questionable in the current extreme conditions but if there is still an orbital force alive after this they will have more than earned it.
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Stellarengine676
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Here is what I am hearing right now. Time to mobilize the civilization for total war.
So basically the orbital troops got told
Good news everyone, your post-war replacements will live in mostly automated militarized space communism, die well.
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[] Plan Contest and Contain
-[]Unrestricted Mobilization
-[]Crash Commitment of Print-Capacity
-[]Accelerate Armor Production
-[]Give UNISA Everything
I have made a plan. We go all in on trying to deal as strong a blow as possible on the initial landing force with everything we've got.
This skimps on infantry weapons to an extent, but those are much more scalable and quick to produce than VTOLs, Tanks and AFVs, especially if we go with unrestricted mobilization. The latter we are going to have a very hard time producing at scale once they land. So imo, better to make sure we pump out as much as possible to buy us time assuming we don't have a month.
This also does armor, since I could fit it into the budget and I think is the most useful in the context of lavishly equipping the airforce and armored core which can dish out on their own.
Anyway, its 5:40am and I need to get up at 10:30 to travel, stayed up seeing the live updates lol, gg
-[]Unrestricted Mobilization
-[]Crash Commitment of Print-Capacity
-[]Accelerate Armor Production
-[]Give UNISA Everything
I have made a plan. We go all in on trying to deal as strong a blow as possible on the initial landing force with everything we've got.
This skimps on infantry weapons to an extent, but those are much more scalable and quick to produce than VTOLs, Tanks and AFVs, especially if we go with unrestricted mobilization. The latter we are going to have a very hard time producing at scale once they land. So imo, better to make sure we pump out as much as possible to buy us time assuming we don't have a month.
This also does armor, since I could fit it into the budget and I think is the most useful in the context of lavishly equipping the airforce and armored core which can dish out on their own.
Anyway, its 5:40am and I need to get up at 10:30 to travel, stayed up seeing the live updates lol, gg
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[] Plan: Total War
-[]Unrestricted Mobilization:
-[]Mild Modernizations:
-[]Accelerate Armor Production:
-[]Accelerate Small Arms Production:
-[]Incendiary Impact Grenades:
-[]Platoon Machineguns:
-[]Give UNISA Everything:
Surprise, they're here! Screw subtlety we got repurposeable 3d printers everywhere and the ability to automate a ton of production, lets use use all of it. This uses 100/100 capacity and would start mass production of infantry anti-PA small arms, support weapons, and grenades, as well as infantry armor and IFVs plus variants, topped off with expanding VTOL production with the remainder. Priorities for next turn are likely to be Mortars, Applique Armor kits, and likely more VTOL/maybe Subs if we even get the option.
-[]Unrestricted Mobilization:
-[]Mild Modernizations:
-[]Accelerate Armor Production:
-[]Accelerate Small Arms Production:
-[]Incendiary Impact Grenades:
-[]Platoon Machineguns:
-[]Give UNISA Everything:
Surprise, they're here! Screw subtlety we got repurposeable 3d printers everywhere and the ability to automate a ton of production, lets use use all of it. This uses 100/100 capacity and would start mass production of infantry anti-PA small arms, support weapons, and grenades, as well as infantry armor and IFVs plus variants, topped off with expanding VTOL production with the remainder. Priorities for next turn are likely to be Mortars, Applique Armor kits, and likely more VTOL/maybe Subs if we even get the option.
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So with the different mobilizations, we've got 110, 125 and 150 to spend. Just on this turn or going forward? At any rate, a crash course for planes and tanks would take 90 mobilization, which would give the poor infantry at least some help.
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I think waiting for VTOLs is not going to work, infantry equipment and to an extent armor if we go for the mobilization options should be relatively quick to spool up. But the VTOLs we need to seriously invest in ASAP or not at all imo
Going forward, not applicable for this turn am pretty sure. But yeah, my plan is basically that, and using that leftover 10 capacity to put out armor since thats more complicated than panzerfausts and other infantry wepaons.
Looking at it, with +50 mobilization cap a turn, if we do your plan first, next month we could do Small Arms, Grenades, Machine Guns, and Mortars for 50 cap to get everything in my plan it doesn't take and then some, which doesn't sound too bad to me.
Still need to fit in Applique somewhere though to get our IFVs some armor. Maybe delay mortars a month? Not having mortar deployable smoke or other rounds would hurt, but aoe frag isn't likely to do much against PA.
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Total cost of all current mobilization actions is -250, as far as I can tell.
I'm not sure but my interpretation is that we would get 110, 125 and 150 NEXT month, but for now we are stuck with the 100. @Blackstar which is it?
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You are currently stuck with 100 this month then get the extra capacity next month.
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Yeah, that's my logic with this plan, go all in on infantry on the next since that should be much easier to spool up and doesn't depend on the complicated industrial chains vehicles do.
If we go all in on UNISA we don't need to do the Applique I think, we will have actual tanks. And we can do it next turn if we feel we desperately need to.
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Laser protection is not mentioned anywhere in the UNISA Everything option, just massive production increases, so I'm not sure about that.
Honestly I want to see if they can make Applique for our LVs too if it doesn't hamper them too much.
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Blackstar clarified it, UNISA's new production line will apply it, but not to the old vehicles. If we think we need to update the old IFVs now, we can swich it out with infantry armor, but as is by the end of the month we should have a lot of IFVs fresh from the assembly line with them.
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If an intelligence role in this quest can actually have a covert operation succeed I will be shocked.