A true hero... in training (Pokemon Gym Leader's apprentice quest)

  • Tell Fang to climb up as high as he can, and then strike the Gligar with Ice Fang when he can.
  • While Fang climbs Mt. Boxonet, Haru commands Maelstrom, focusing on prolonging the battle with dodging and Harden.
  • When Haru sees Fang is in position, he guides Maelstrom over there, which should provoke the Gligar to follow him.
  • When the Gligar is led into range, Fang hits her with an Ice Fang.

Big problem is that we can't?
We can issue two moves or a complex order to one pokemon.
You want to command two pokemon to perform complex actions with zero prior training on those. Fang has never battled with a trainer before, and thus no particular experience with unusual tactics. Keep in mind how long it took Maelstrom to understand exploiting the environment and move combos.

...and you know, a 2 move buffed STAB Aqua Jet by a skyborne pokemon is quite likely to hit a lot harder and more reliably than an unbuffed cross type Ice Fang
 
I somehow have in my mind now a view of Haru wholeheartedly giving instructions to whatever pokemon he chooses, and the Man meanwhile calmly walking forwards and then socking Haru right in the face, hard enough to break something.

I think what I'm trying to say is that I'm putting my bets on Haru, some way or another, getting a harsh wakeup call on the realities of the big world, and on the duties of a champion. He was woefully naive when he ran to a mysterious back alley after hearing that someone was attacked there, and it fits both the narrative and the common sense that this "I have been a trainer for almost a week" kid gets a lesson here. I hope it won't be too bad though. Maybe Rose will save the day.

There's no backing up now though, were in for the whole pound.
 
We aren't returning our other pokemon so if the guy tries he would probably get bit.

[X] Stay and fight the Gligar
-[X] Maelstrom alone.
--[X] Bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
 
[X] Stay and fight the Gligar
-[X] Maelstrom bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
-[X] Fang watch both fights for an opportunity to assist with an appropriate elemental bite.
 
So was the two move limitation only for team battles? Because otherwise the currently leading three move Bounce-Harden-Aqua Jet combo shouldn't even legal. Though seeing how it's a discount Aqua Rocket, which is to say, a high risk maneuver that could backfire on Maelstrom and that he has never practised before, I'm not exactly fond of throwing that one out against the faster than average Gilgar.

Like, both of our pokemon do type effective damage, so we really don't need to stack a ton of moves on top of each other just to edge out a little bit more damage, while increasing the risk of the combo not working. Combining moves is fancy, but sometimes we should keep it simple and go for clean hits, is what I'm saying. So I suppose that means I'll vote for the team battle. Preferably in a way that keeps Maelstrom on the front line, so Fang doesn't get bodied by a Bulldoze.

[X] Stay and fight the Gligar
-[X] Maelstrom
-[X] Fang
--[X] Have Maelstrom harry the Gilgar with Aqua Jet while it is above ground, so it can't keep its altitude gliding and won't get a chance to climb again.
--[X] Have Fang wait on the ground until Gilgar gets in range for an Ice Fang.

Anyway, for the much more important stuff. Rose is now officially the best everything. Not only did she pick her own theme song, not only is the theme song she picked You Say Run, but she even broadcasts it into other people's minds. Just so they can know how awesome she is. Damn, no wonder Flash doesn't need to fight, that right there makes him the most valuable team member you could possibly have. Though the mini-cape for Ares is just adorable, uh, I mean badass, yeah. Yeah, that one. Truly a hero I trust to defeat Poison Ivy that dastardly Roselia.

Props to the artist as well.
 
Bounce has a turn spent doing Big Air. It comes down next turn like Fly
1) I don't think a turn for the Quest is the same as a round of combat in the game.
2) If you think it's still going to be slow enough to let the Gilgar spend an entire turn getting ready to dodge etc., what's the point of speeding it up with Aqua Jet?
 
It's a setup. Bounce to get the air we need. Next round Harden before leading into a gravity-assisted Aqua Jet.
 
[X] Stay and fight the Gligar
-[X] Maelstrom
-[X] Fang
-[X] Constantly roulette attacks when it's in range. Only one should ever be attacking at a time.
--[X] Space the two apart so that it can only ever target one, but not so far apart that they can't rush in once it picks a target
---[X] Wait and only attack once it approaches. Make it come to us
----[X] Dodge whenever possible, counter whenever possible.
 
It's a setup. Bounce to get the air we need. Next round Harden before leading into a gravity-assisted Aqua Jet.
If you don't plan on doing all of that this turn, why are you voting on doing all of this this turn? The vote should be something along the lines of "Harden so Maelstrom is better prepared next turn." And then next turn we see if that worked and do the combo then, or decide to alter the plan if we don't hit the DC.

I also still don't think that the divide over different turns for Bounce works the same way in the Quest as it does in the games. For Quest purposes it's just a slow to execute move.
 
[X] Stay and fight the Gligar
-[X] Maelstrom
-[X] Fang
--[X] Have Maelstrom harry the Gilgar with Aqua Jet while it is above ground, so it can't keep its altitude gliding and won't get a chance to climb again.
--[X] Have Fang wait on the ground until Gilgar gets in range for an Ice Fang.
 
[X] Stay and fight the Gligar
-[X] Maelstrom
-[X] Fang
--[X] Have Maelstrom do an aerial battle with Gligar using Aqua Jet. Focus on dodging and being distracting
--[X] Have Fang discretely climb up shipping boxes and containers until he's as high as he can get, then have him wait until Gligar is in range for him to pounce on her and attack with Ice Fang.

Thisis the only order that uses the environment and it uses it well. Getting Fang up means he would not be hit by Bulldoze and that WE have the high ground (it's over Gligar! :) ) We have two orders, so one for climb and one for dodge. We don't have to rush things, we can use turn one for making a good setup for following turns.
 
[X] Stay and fight the Gligar
-[X] Maelstrom alone.
--[X] Bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
---[X] "You will never touch any of my partners as long as I live!" Haru mad.
 
a 2 move buffed STAB Aqua Jet by a skyborne pokemon is quite likely to hit a lot harder and more reliably than an unbuffed cross type Ice Fang
According to the character sheet, Aqua Jet is a "Weak but really fast attack."

STAB is inferior to the second type advantage.
Aqua Jet: 2*1,5 = 3
Ice Fang: 4

Harden buffs defence, so even if we get a bonus to attack from it, I doubt it will be a full stage.
That means that Ice Fang will still hit harder in a single move than the 2-turn bounce-harden-aqua jet plan.



[X] Stay and fight the Gligar
-[X] Maelstrom
-[X] Fang
--[X] Have Maelstrom do an aerial battle with Gligar using Aqua Jet. Focus on dodging and being distracting
--[X] Have Fang discretely climb up shipping boxes and containers until he's as high as he can get, then have him wait until Gligar is in range for him to pounce on her and attack with Ice Fang.

I don't see how this conflicts with two orders per turn? First round is Aqua Jet + climbing, Ice Fang comes after.
 
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I feel sorry for everyone here who isn't part of the Discord. Something glorious came up last night.
 
So, votes are kind of all over the place at the moment. Anyone with a single vote that wants to put their strength behind another vote, now's the time.
Adhoc vote count started by TempestK on Dec 17, 2018 at 9:01 AM, finished with 57 posts and 23 votes.

  • [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom alone.
    --[X] Bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
    ---[X] "You will never touch any of my partners as long as I live!" Haru mad.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom
    -[X] Fang
    --[X] Have Maelstrom do an aerial battle with Gligar using Aqua Jet. Focus on dodging and being distracting
    --[X] Have Fang discretely climb up shipping boxes and containers until he's as high as he can get, then have him wait until Gligar is in range for him to pounce on her and attack with Ice Fang.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom
    -[X] Fang
    -[X] Constantly roulette attacks when it's in range. Only one should ever be attacking at a time.
    --[X] Space the two apart so that it can only ever target one, but not so far apart that they can't rush in once it picks a target
    ---[X] Wait and only attack once it approaches. Make it come to us
    ----[X] Dodge whenever possible, counter whenever possible.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom alone.
    --[X] Bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom
    -[X] Fang
    --[X] Have Maelstrom harry the Gilgar with Aqua Jet while it is above ground, so it can't keep its altitude gliding and won't get a chance to climb again.
    --[X] Have Fang wait on the ground until Gilgar gets in range for an Ice Fang.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom, Bounce, Harden while in the air, then Aqua Jet divebomb into Tackle.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom
    -[X] Fang
    -[X] Constantly roulette attacks when it's in range. Only one should ever be attacking at a time.
    --[X] Space the two apart so that it can only ever target one, but not so far apart that they can't rush in once it picks a target
    ---[X] Wait and only attack once it approaches. Make it come to us
    ----[X] Dodge whenever possible, counter whenever possible.
    -----[X] "You will never touch any of my partners as long as I live!" Haru mad.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom, Bounce, Harden while in the air, then Aqua Jet divebomb.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom
    --[X] Bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks. Take advantage if the Glicar takes her eyes away from you and focuses on Fang.
    -[X] Fang
    --[X] Let Fang help in his own way, but recall him if he is about to get seriously hurt.
    ---[X] "You will never touch any of my partners as long as I live!" Haru mad.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar

    -[X] Maelstrom alone.

    --[X] Bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
    -[X] Fang watch both fights for an opportunity to assist with an appropriate elemental bite.
 
[X] Stay and fight the Gligar
-[X] Maelstrom
-[X] Fang
--[X] Have Maelstrom do an aerial battle with Gligar using Aqua Jet. Focus on dodging and being distracting
--[X] Have Fang discretely climb up shipping boxes and containers until he's as high as he can get, then have him wait until Gligar is in range for him to pounce on her and attack with Ice Fang.
 
[X] Stay and fight the Gligar
-[X] Maelstrom
-[X] Fang
--[X] Have Maelstrom do an aerial battle with Gligar using Aqua Jet. Focus on dodging and being distracting
--[X] Have Fang discretely climb up shipping boxes and containers until he's as high as he can get, then have him wait until Gligar is in range for him to pounce on her and attack with Ice Fang.

Time to pool votes then, I suppose.
 
Okay. I'm going to call the vote here. This is a bit of a mess. Let's see... I think the best we can do right now is to close the vote to see who is fighting and THEN vote for orders. You have to remember two things:

1- You can only give two orders each round. That means that if you have two pokemon you can only order one thing to each one or two to one of them.

2- Bounce is not a two turn move. We have no turns and rounds are not the same. Bounce is a slow move easy to dodge but powerful.


Okay. Maelstrom and Fang win. NOW vote for a strategy.

[] Strategy
Adhoc vote count started by Luxicato on Dec 17, 2018 at 11:52 AM, finished with 58 posts and 23 votes.

  • [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom alone.
    --[X] Bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
    ---[X] "You will never touch any of my partners as long as I live!" Haru mad.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom
    -[X] Fang
    --[X] Have Maelstrom do an aerial battle with Gligar using Aqua Jet. Focus on dodging and being distracting
    --[X] Have Fang discretely climb up shipping boxes and containers until he's as high as he can get, then have him wait until Gligar is in range for him to pounce on her and attack with Ice Fang.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom
    -[X] Fang
    -[X] Constantly roulette attacks when it's in range. Only one should ever be attacking at a time.
    --[X] Space the two apart so that it can only ever target one, but not so far apart that they can't rush in once it picks a target
    ---[X] Wait and only attack once it approaches. Make it come to us
    ----[X] Dodge whenever possible, counter whenever possible.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom alone.
    --[X] Bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom, Bounce, Harden while in the air, then Aqua Jet divebomb into Tackle.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom
    -[X] Fang
    -[X] Constantly roulette attacks when it's in range. Only one should ever be attacking at a time.
    --[X] Space the two apart so that it can only ever target one, but not so far apart that they can't rush in once it picks a target
    ---[X] Wait and only attack once it approaches. Make it come to us
    ----[X] Dodge whenever possible, counter whenever possible.
    -----[X] "You will never touch any of my partners as long as I live!" Haru mad.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom, Bounce, Harden while in the air, then Aqua Jet divebomb.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom
    --[X] Bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks. Take advantage if the Glicar takes her eyes away from you and focuses on Fang.
    -[X] Fang
    --[X] Let Fang help in his own way, but recall him if he is about to get seriously hurt.
    ---[X] "You will never touch any of my partners as long as I live!" Haru mad.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar

    -[X] Maelstrom alone.

    --[X] Bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom bounce to get some height and then Harden at the apex and Aqua Jet to do a gravity-boosted impact. Make heavy use of Aqua Jet to avoid any counterattacks.
    -[X] Fang watch both fights for an opportunity to assist with an appropriate elemental bite.
    [X] Stay and fight the Gligar
    -[X] Maelstrom
    -[X] Fang
    --[X] Have Maelstrom harry the Gilgar with Aqua Jet while it is above ground, so it can't keep its altitude gliding and won't get a chance to climb again.
    --[X] Have Fang wait on the ground until Gilgar gets in range for an Ice Fang.
 
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[X] Have Maelstrom do an aerial battle with Gligar using Aqua Jet. Focus on dodging and being distracting
[X] Have Fang discretely climb up shipping boxes and containers until he's as high as he can get, then have him wait until Gligar is in range for him to pounce on her and attack with Ice Fang.
 
[X] Strategy Bait and Switch
-[X] Have Maelstrom harry the Gilgar with Aqua Jet while it is above ground, to force it into Fang's range, while Fang waits on the ground until Gilgar gets in range for an Ice Fang.
--[X] "You will never touch any of my partners as long as I live!" Haru mad.

Okay, so each Pokemon does one thing and those two things cover each other to the point that the Gligar can't her a good hit in without opening it up to the other's attack, meanwhile both of our mons do solid type effective damage.

Fang's ground presence also means that Maelstrom can safely start up Aqua Jet to get a speed and mobility boost without the Gligar using Quick Attack to get the drop on him while he's still ground bound.

Edit: and including Tempest's bit.
 
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[X] Strategy Bait and Switch
-[X] Have Maelstrom harry the Gilgar with Aqua Jet while it is above ground, to force it into Fang's range, while Fang waits on the ground until Gilgar gets in range for an Ice Fang.
--[X] "You will never touch any of my partners as long as I live!" Haru mad.

Okay, I can get behind this strategy then. And I apologize for my misunderstanding about how Bounce worked. Still want that Shonen Declaration though.
 
[X] Strategy High Ground
-[X] Have Maelstrom do an aerial battle with Gligar using Aqua Jet. Focus on dodging and being distracting
-[X] Have Fang discretely climb up shipping boxes and containers until he's as high as he can get, then have him wait until Gligar is in range for him to pounce on her and attack with Ice Fang.
--[X] "You will never touch any of my partners as long as I live!" Haru mad.


Inlcuding battlecry for greater awesomness​
 
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