Right has conflict?

Ruler is the safe and moderate choice but I don't want to repeat this civilization.

Maybe rest will help us temper our heartlesness too.
 
Oof. Tally.
Adhoc vote count started by Pechum on Jul 7, 2020 at 11:37 PM, finished with 52 posts and 31 votes.
 
IMO Ruler & Vassal and Subordination are extremely severe Apocryphal bait.
What are you talking about? Are you referring to the Hatefulness contamination? That can be mitigated by some of the options and its been confirmed that strong will and mastery of magic can help too with that. Are you saying that the Azure is going to betray us? Isn't this the natural form of relationship between the rings?
 
The strongest argument against The Avenger is that it people would start arguing and rules-lawyering every single update about whether our current enemy has "severely wronged either (Hunger) or one of his kin". People would intentionally vote for options that would increase the likelyhood of Avenger activating. "We should father lots of kin and then throw them into dangerous situations."

Blood Price sounds kinda cool, it make me think of the Furies and how they punish oathbreakers, kinslayers, and the like, but given how things are going I place 0 value in unlocking more EFBs.
 
The strongest argument against The Avenger is that it people would start arguing and rules-lawyering every single update about whether our current enemy has "severely wronged either (Hunger) or one of his kin". People would intentionally vote for options that would increase the likelyhood of Avenger activating. "We should father lots of kin and then throw them into dangerous situations."

Blood Price sounds kinda cool, it make me think of the Furies and how they punish oathbreakers, kinslayers, and the like, but given how things are going I place 0 value in unlocking more EFBs.
Thats like saying those who pick it now are a bunch of heartless assholes that throw away people they love for power. Don't go there pal.
 
[X] Peerless Grace
[X] The Blade
[X] Let It Rest

Let's get this done with in the most wholesome way possible, i guess. We don't have a need for imense immediate power, let's just...let the Azure Ring rest, and share of it's power in time.
 
It's only a single vote, but for some reason my vote was not counted in Taka's tally just now?
 
Oof Let it rest is winning. I see I'm not the only soft-hearted fool out there...

Ruler and Vassal is way better then Let it Rest, but does not come with any downside like Subordination does. It's far and away the best choice. Now if only I could bring myself to actually vote for it...
 
I'm a bit surprised how quickly the vote has turned in Blade's favor... mechanically the options are all the same as previously, and Avenger is nothing more than you guys voted for with Avenger + Treachery anyway, so why the change of heart?
Meanness aside, this consolidation emphasizes that Blade isn't much riskier than Avenger, a fact which was dropped in the thread until after Avenger had gained lots of steam last update, which is what shifted my vote... twice, lol. I'm a bit baffled by the degree, still.
 
Thats like saying those who pick it now are a bunch of heartless assholes that throw away people they love for power. Don't go there pal.

I kill people in video games all the time and have done all sorts of genocide and incest in Paradox games. Do you think that makes me a heartless asshole? Are you going to tell me not to go there?

I think everyone here understands the difference between fantasy and reality.
 
We don't have a need for imense immediate power

THE APOCRYPHAL CURSE: Good, good...

Meanness aside, this consolidation emphasizes that Blade isn't much riskier than Avenger, a fact which was dropped in the thread until after Avenger had gained lots of steam last update, which is what shifted my vote... twice, lol. I'm a bit baffled by the degree, still.

All of the options have pretty good odds at a minimum to win, yeah.

It's only a single vote, but for some reason my vote was not counted in Taka's tally just now?

That is strange! Hope it's not a systemic error.
 
I'm a bit surprised how quickly the vote has turned in Blade's favor... mechanically the options are all the same as previously, and Avenger is nothing more than you guys voted for with Avenger + Treachery anyway, so why the change of heart?
I'd been under the impression that Blade was much lower-power than it seems to be. I figured that since we can only have 2 stances and both GDS and WeDS are useful here, HDS was pretty marginal at most. Since it's not, I'm happy to vote for it!
 
I kill people in video games all the time and have done all sorts of genocide and incest in Paradox games. Do you think that makes me a heartless asshole? Are you going to tell me not to go there?

I think everyone here understands the difference between fantasy and reality.
No what I mean is instead of arguing why Avenger itself is bad, you are saying things about those who would vote for it.
 
Something fairly important to consider is that the range of options offered may be substantially different for Let it Rest vs Ruler & Vassal - 7 Arete being a key breakpoint and all! There may be options that exist only in the 7 Arete slot which aren't available if you only have visibility of benefits up to 5 Arete.

No what I mean is instead of arguing why Avenger itself is bad, you are saying things about those who would vote for it.

Plus, Hunger does not really have such fine-grained control over circumstance as to affect the world in such a manner, though we can't rule out that changing down the line...

I'd been under the impression that Blade was much lower-power than it seems to be. I figured that since we can only have 2 stances and both GDS and WeDS are useful here, HDS was pretty marginal at most. Since it's not, I'm happy to vote for it!

Yup, HDS is very useful against Sten's returning Rank, plus gives +AGI!
 
[X] Peerless Grace
[X] The Blade
[X] Ruler & Vassal

We must continue to study the blade.

Choose Ruler and Vassal btw, the discrepancy in growth rate of the ring between that and Let it rest is significant and we must always do best by Gisena <3

If we're going to put a ring on that finger we better choose the best option for it!!
 
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No what I mean is instead of arguing why Avenger itself is bad, you are saying things about those who would vote for it.
To expand on this, you are saying that if Avenger wins that some voters will start treating Letrizia and Gisenna as fodders for Avenger procs. I will respect you're against just don't say we will become suddenly different people if it wins. Its purpose is a counterattack against those we haven't wronged or screwed over.

You're looking for something to take umbrage with. Grow up.
Ah what?

Oh and yeah lets end this here. This will just be a derail now that I think about it...
 
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