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The loss of R A N K burns. All for a stalker. We might as well capitalize on this.

[X] Larissa of House Alynne

Great source of intel, provides combat support in the form of high Rank dudes, less civilian casualties, LOOT and possible Ring-based powers. Also, it doesn't cost Arete.

[X] Fierce Quickening

SAVE and builds towards Quickening Incarnate. And I would suggest people to NOT spend Arete on Stances - we don't even know what are the actual powers of who we are going against, spending points when we can snapbuy a Stance if necessary is just inefficient. Like not picking Shameless.
 
Crimson Moon said:
The loss of R A N K burns. All for a stalker. We might as well capitalize on this.

[X] Larissa of House Alynne

Great source of intel, provides combat support in the form of high Rank dudes, less civilian casualties, LOOT and possible Ring-based powers. Also, it doesn't cost Arete.
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As stalkers go, her attempt to get us to notice her is really good.

SAVE and builds towards Quickening Incarnate. And I would suggest people to NOT spend Arete on Stances - we don't even know what are the actual powers of who we are going against, spending points when we can snapbuy a Stance if necessary is just inefficient. Like not picking Shameless.
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If we'd taken Shameless we'd have a bit more rank (say, enough that Hunger With It could have, say, a 60/40 chance of beating Hunger Without It, dunno)... But we'd also be up against a more unified opposition and have less intel on their capabilities.
 
Damn, I though Larissa would be ahead by a ton.
Adhoc vote count started by BrainInAJar on Jul 4, 2020 at 3:39 AM, finished with 117 posts and 39 votes.
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BrainInAJar said:
I don't think the Ring's defenses change much year-to-year though, and she already has information on the Immortals who are part of the Ring's defenses anyway, so I think she would know about more static emplacements.

Meanwhile, your stuff about Fairbright is pure conjecture; maybe not without merit, but far from assured. Alynne is much more likely to have critical information here.
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There's also the question, was she ever on the Council analogue to the Intelligence committee in the first place? Do they even have one? Given the Immortal Deployment Act that has been proposed and yet has never gotten through, It could be possible given that immortals are still council members(albeit ones with reduced privileges supposedly), that they have enough connections to not need full privileges. For all we know they are able to just submit unitemized budget requests for ring security operations and get the money they need for ring security just like that, they don't seem like the type to have an oversight committee for their intelligence agencies. Or the immortals run the intelligence committee.

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We again petition the Council to review the Immortal Deployment Act.
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Do not envy them their eternal vigilance, and mourn not your finite hours, for it is by their tireless regard that the Treasure which shelters us all is kept secure for the generations to come. Theirs is not a prvilege but a duty, no reward but an onerous and ceaseless burden, which is why any Councilor elevated to the Rank of Immortal is stripped of all commissions and departmental roles, and their voting power further cut by half.
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The spirit of my point, is that there are a lot of angles for how their government could be structured and the backstory of Alynne's political career that would mean Alynne does not know the particulars of how the ring's containment chamber works and if anti-ring energy sappers exist.
 
Microwave MKII said:
Hmmm playing with Aeira design



as with most characters, may change over time if we keep her in the party for a while
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Feeling a bit guilty about having fused my two posts (they were right next to each other) since this could have been first on the next page if it wasn't for that. Also the sketch of Zea hugging Aiera just made my heart grow two/three/ten a hundred sizes by the way. :oops:
 
Conjured Blade said:
There's also the question, was she ever on the Council analogue to the Intelligence committee in the first place? Do they even have one? Given the Immortal Deployment Act that has been proposed and yet has never gotten through, It could be possible given that immortals are still council members(albeit ones with reduced privileges supposedly), that they have enough connections to not need full privileges. For all we know they are able to just submit unitemized budget requests for ring security operations and get the money they need for ring security just like that, they don't seem like the type to have an oversight committee for their intelligence agencies. Or the immortals run the intelligence committee.

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The spirit of my point, is that there are a lot of angles for how their government could be structured and the backstory of Alynne's political career that would mean Alynne does not know the particulars of how the ring's containment chamber works and if anti-ring energy sappers exist.
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But I don't see in which universe Fairbright would know more about the Ring's defenses then Larissa, especially given good intelligence is one of the explicit perks of the option. If it is with anyone, it's with her. I don't see how Fairbright would know about any Anti-Ring defenses anyway.
 
DkArthas said:
Eh? Pretty sure Vigor incarnate is the reason why Larissa option was opened. It already made it worth it.
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Well we could have gotten both rank and Vigor and skipped the harem shenanigans.
On the other hand, cat fight between otome villainess and Gisena :drevil:

EDIT: Not exactly bothered that Vigor won - it helps our builld and patches our Protection dump stat. Now we are just Ranklet with poor magic defense
 
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Fairbright won't know more about the Ring's defences but I actually want Hunger to be forced to clean up the aftermath of this so sticking him with a bunch of do gooding heroes seems more likely to accomplish that than putting him with a stalker who will just take care of everything afterwards.

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Well we could have gotten both rank and Vigor and skipped the harem shenanigans.
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No harem's ever. Hunger's not interested in Larissa and Gisena blows her out of the water in social.
 
BrainInAJar said:
But I don't see in which universe Fairbright would know more about the Ring's defenses then Larissa, especially given good intelligence is one of the explicit perks of the option. If it is with anyone, it's with her. I don't see how Fairbright would know about any Anti-Ring defenses anyway.
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Larissa has outdated dossiers on the immortals and in depth information on the bigger picture of inner ring security, not necessarily including the containment chamber if I'm right. She can prime us for fighting the immortals. She can help us get to the immortals. But any surprises the immortals may have set up, or final secrets of the temple that may change our decisionmaking process, those are mystery boxes. Her information is what I would describe as tactical information.

What pieces of data did Aristesia learn that are described as strategically valuable while Larissa's information, though good, does not get that descriptor? What did she learn at the height of her power, especially if she breached the containment chamber, that may change our entire outlook. Aristesia diminished is not that much weaker than Lord Hunger. Aristesia at the height of her power may have been equal to or stronger than Lord Hunger based on that. Strong enough to plausibly breach the chamber like we can. Yet she got captured. What happened?

There's a sizable difference between a tactical scale nuke and a strategic scale nuke.
 
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For the plan.

I think even with High Marshall and Marshall help ..I still expect "Trump card" for the Immortal council.

The Immortal should hold something that have advantage over even High Marshall or some critical information that even great noble house don't know about.
 
[X] Larissa of House Alynne
[X] Fierce Quickening

Guess I'm joining this train for now! I'm convinced that we won't have immediate need for a Stance next update in any case, since from a story perspective we need some interactions with the new characters and from a quest perspective we require a planning session for how to make this rebellion work (also Gisena and Aeira will arrive soon, and that's more stuff to put in an update before even thinking of our next fight).

Would be nice if for the next ability vote (if it allows two or more picks) we got to see the Quickening upgrade with a "one more stack of Fierce Quickening required" so we could grab it right away with some planning. It did work like that with the Stances and Zweihander if I remember right.
 
A E I R A will be coming to the fight since you guys picked combat! Integrating her into your tactics may influence your build decision... how best to utilize her shadowcloaks and protect her?
 
Conjured Blade said:
Larissa has outdated dossiers on the immortals and in depth information on the bigger picture of inner ring security, not necessarily including the containment chamber if I'm right. She can prime us for fighting the immortals. She can help us get to the immortals. But any surprises the immortals may have set up, or final secrets of the temple that may change our decisionmaking process, those are mystery boxes. Her information is what I would describe as tactical information.

What pieces of data did Aristesia learn that are described as strategically valuable while Larissa's information(though good, does not get that descriptor)? What did she learn at the height of her power, especially if she breached the containment chamber, that may change our entire outlook. Aristesia diminished is not that much weaker than Lord Hunger. Aristesia at the height of her power may have been equal to or stronger than Lord Hunger based on that. Strong enough to plausibly breach the chamber like we can. Yet she got captured. What happened?
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Two obvious possibilities:

1) She attacked at a time when the Immortals were not disrupted or confused, and their defenses went into action like a well-oiled machine, many of whose parts she was ignorant of. For all her power, perhaps equal to that of an Immortal or even a little higher, they tore her apart with a synchronized battle plan.

2) The Immortals, not having bean curd for brains, struck first. They hit her at an inconvenient time for her, well away from any sensitive targets, and dragged her into custody, then rolled up her network of followers.

There is no guarantee that Aristesia breached the chamber and somehow learned a secret that proved to be her undoing.
 
[X] Who Walked Away
[X] Evening Sky - Opalescence
[X] Evening Sky - Iridescence - 2 Arete

I keep talking about this, I'll back it up with a vote.

Stacking additional defenses, now that we have some decent ones already, is substantially more functional since each + is a bigger boost than the last.
 
The best way to utilize Aeira's shadowcloaks and protect her may well be, ironically, to NOT coordinate closely with her. That way she's probably less likely to get caught in the blast radius of any highly energetic attacks thrown at Hunger or any Tides of Nullity being slung in the direction of the enemy by Gisena. Instead, she skirts the battlespace and shanks the enemy in the kidneys when they're not looking.
 
Conjured Blade said:
Larissa has outdated dossiers on the immortals and in depth information on the bigger picture of inner ring security, not necessarily including the containment chamber if I'm right. She can prime us for fighting the immortals. She can help us get to the immortals. But any surprises the immortals may have set up, or final secrets of the temple that may change our decisionmaking process, those are mystery boxes. Her information is what I would describe as tactical information.

What pieces of data did Aristesia learn that are described as strategically valuable while Larissa's information(though good, does not get that descriptor)? What did she learn at the height of her power, especially if she breached the containment chamber, that may change our entire outlook. Aristesia diminished is not that much weaker than Lord Hunger. Aristesia at the height of her power may have been equal to or stronger than Lord Hunger based on that. Strong enough to plausibly breach the chamber like we can. Yet she got captured. What happened?

There's a sizable difference between a tactical scale nuke and a strategic scale nuke.
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That strategic information can literally be anything though, including information about the Immortals. Again, I don't know how she would know about any particular anti-Ring defenses. I think Larissa's information does count as strategic scale, it's about the defenses of our entire theater! It's not just the Immortals, it's that plus information on the entire Inner Ring. I don't think we need to shadowrun some completely additional terrible secret at the heart of the Inner Ring. If we want an information advantage, why not pick the option that explicitly advertises itself as such?
 
Simon_Jester said:
The best way to utilize Aeira's shadowcloaks and protect her may well be, ironically, to NOT coordinate closely with her. That way she's probably less likely to get caught in the blast radius of any highly energetic attacks thrown at Hunger or any Tides of Nullity being slung in the direction of the enemy by Gisena. Instead, she skirts the battlespace and shanks the enemy in the kidneys when they're not looking.
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Considering how our latest strategic plans went, I suggest to let Aeira come with a plan herself and NOT tell us. Time to use our plot powers(Accretion) and do the 'unspoken plan guarantee'.
 
Maybe we can leverage some of the Soul Evocations of whichever group we team up with? If they have a long-distance communication ability (like the Coordinator), we could use her as an excellent scout!
 
Simon_Jester said:
Two obvious possibilities:

1) She attacked at a time when the Immortals were not disrupted or confused, and their defenses went into action like a well-oiled machine, many of whose parts she was ignorant of. For all her power, perhaps equal to that of an Immortal or even a little higher, they tore her apart with a synchronized battle plan.

2) The Immortals, not having bean curd for brains, struck first. They hit her at an inconvenient time for her, well away from any sensitive targets, and dragged her into custody, then rolled up her network of followers.

There is no guarantee that Aristesia breached the chamber and somehow learned a secret that proved to be her undoing.
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Considering that Rebellion won, the immortals are not disrupted/confused anymore. We're dealing with case 1, potentially with Aristesia and her crew or Wyvernford and his forces depending on the circumstances. Even if 2 is the case, that still leads to the question "What does she know, and why is it called strategically valuable?"

BrainInAJar said:
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That strategic information can literally be anything though, including information about the Immortals. Again, I don't know how she would know about any particular anti-Ring defenses. I think Larissa's information does count as strategic scale, it's about the defenses of our entire theater! It's not just the Immortals, it's that plus information on the entire Inner Ring. I don't think we need to shadowrun some completely additional terrible secret at the heart of the Inner Ring. If we want an information advantage, why not pick the option that explicitly advertises itself as such?
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I guess we're at an impasse for the moment then.
 
Heartpiercer should be seriously considered here! It gives 13 points of stats given Vigor Incarnate and a major bonus on top of that. Even if the major bonus doesn't work against every enemy, you've got tons of stats from it to compensate, including +3 more Protection! Plus, it has the greatest theoretical potential power before this fight since you can snap-buy a stance on top if your Arete production goes into overdrive. It's basically giving you another possible layer of safety in this final (?) round of the Temple!
 
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Heartpiercer should be seriously considered here! It gives 13 points of stats given Vigor Incarnate and a major bonus on top of that. Even if the major bonus doesn't work against every enemy, you've got tons of stats from it to compensate, including +3 more Protection! Plus, it has the greatest theoretical potential power before this fight since you can snap-buy a stance on top if your Arete production goes into overdrive. It's basically giving you another possible layer of safety in this final (?) round of the Temple!
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But what are romantic duels?! Inquiring Gisena fans want to know!
 
More power vs actually heading an humanitarian crisis off at the pass. Yeah, I know which one I prefer.
 
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[X] Heartpiercer
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] The Silver Horde

Rihaku was shilling for this pretty damn hard in Discord. With moderate knowledge of the Inner Temple, we can hunt down an Immortal more effectively than we could with Aristeia and possibly stack a Stance on top of our abilities. Even if we do encounter a serious opponent that we can't defeat, the Silver Horde would provide very effective support in conjunction with our Blood Advancements.

And don't you want to out banter Gisena, just once?
 
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