A Simple Transaction I
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Rihaku
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She's also in the Joyeuse update!
Intelligence with regards to the battle, yes. And also wise, though you guys may not have as much of that to multiply...
[X] Conservative
[X] Bright Vanquisher
[X] +.1 Rank - The will to go on.
Making a quick tactical vote swap! I quite like every option on offer here, but I'm still trying to minimize risk. Absolute focus has fallen by the wayside, and failing that I'd prefer the Rank for its thorough buff.
More alarmingly, I'm ditching Immortal Regiment! I think Bright Vanquisher with Gisena left behind is actually less dangerous to the party as a whole than bringing her along via Vanguard.
Who thinks the adventurers are literally just waiting for some sap to come open the door for them? It's a fine strategy in un-instanced MMORPGs! Considering the delightful sprinkling of monsters and quests, alongside a genuine protagonist in Ber, I'd be hard pressed to argue that we're not in one.
Should they come calling after we make our way inside, how does that impact the effectiveness of the various builds? Probably makes +CHA better, and makes a sudden crash from something like Form of Rage worse, if they're entirely hostile. On the other hand, if they're more amicable to sharing in the massive treasure trove, or seeking the thrill of the hunt themselves, then we could cooperate, right up until we get an order.
The healers and the DPS will look up and shout "Get out of the fire!" and we will whisper "No."
I think it's more likely they'll be the pragmatic, mercenary sort, and just wait to accost us until after we come back outside. Joke's on them, though, because we're a progression type.
[X] Bright Vanquisher
[X] +.1 Rank - The will to go on.
Making a quick tactical vote swap! I quite like every option on offer here, but I'm still trying to minimize risk. Absolute focus has fallen by the wayside, and failing that I'd prefer the Rank for its thorough buff.
More alarmingly, I'm ditching Immortal Regiment! I think Bright Vanquisher with Gisena left behind is actually less dangerous to the party as a whole than bringing her along via Vanguard.
Who thinks the adventurers are literally just waiting for some sap to come open the door for them? It's a fine strategy in un-instanced MMORPGs! Considering the delightful sprinkling of monsters and quests, alongside a genuine protagonist in Ber, I'd be hard pressed to argue that we're not in one.
Should they come calling after we make our way inside, how does that impact the effectiveness of the various builds? Probably makes +CHA better, and makes a sudden crash from something like Form of Rage worse, if they're entirely hostile. On the other hand, if they're more amicable to sharing in the massive treasure trove, or seeking the thrill of the hunt themselves, then we could cooperate, right up until we get an order.
The healers and the DPS will look up and shout "Get out of the fire!" and we will whisper "No."
I think it's more likely they'll be the pragmatic, mercenary sort, and just wait to accost us until after we come back outside. Joke's on them, though, because we're a progression type.
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Rihaku
The Internet
Hm. You guys are fairly close to 11.5 Arete, so with Regiment you'd have 2.5 and 4.5 with Barest Cut afterwards. If Conservative wins you won't get an Arete generation bonus. Something to consider when examining the viability of acquiring a 7 Arete option quickly, assuming you manage to win any fights at all of course. Even a Conservative strategy can only protect you from fights you are capable of avoiding / know about.
I'm going to go ahead and eliminate Murderer's Panoply and The Forbidden. A shame, as both were among the more viable builds. We can only hope this leads you guys not to pursue an unfavorable combination. I don't think it needs to be said that the dangers of the Temple should not be underestimated.
I'm going to go ahead and eliminate Murderer's Panoply and The Forbidden. A shame, as both were among the more viable builds. We can only hope this leads you guys not to pursue an unfavorable combination. I don't think it needs to be said that the dangers of the Temple should not be underestimated.
- Location
- Pindorama
Ah, Murderer's Panoply. You went before your time. I wanted to see you so much.
I suppose that's just life.
So! Cuts is great, and saving up for Arete is even better. 7 Arete options are exponentially stronger than 2 Arete ones; and having two synergistic ones promises even more power than even seven 2 Arete picks. And since the major reason for exploring the Temple was seeing what goodies were inside, let's wait and see what exactly it offers us, as it's likely quite amazing.
I suppose that's just life.
So! Cuts is great, and saving up for Arete is even better. 7 Arete options are exponentially stronger than 2 Arete ones; and having two synergistic ones promises even more power than even seven 2 Arete picks. And since the major reason for exploring the Temple was seeing what goodies were inside, let's wait and see what exactly it offers us, as it's likely quite amazing.
Genesys
(Discrete Mokona)
- Location
- California
[X] Conservative
[X] Bright Vanquisher
[X] Ring Affinity
alright, I suppose this is second pick
Aggressive Form of Rage bears the risks of over-committing and becoming exhausted without rest, so conservative.
Conservative can afford Ring Affinity instead of immediate power.
[X] Bright Vanquisher
[X] Ring Affinity
alright, I suppose this is second pick
Aggressive Form of Rage bears the risks of over-committing and becoming exhausted without rest, so conservative.
Conservative can afford Ring Affinity instead of immediate power.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
[X] Bright Vanquisher
[X] Aggressive
[X] +.1 Rank
Fuck it. Time to mentally fuck ourself over for power. Better than dying anyway.
It's amazing though how the thread somehow ignores the most viable builds after taking the most risky route.
[X] Aggressive
[X] +.1 Rank
Fuck it. Time to mentally fuck ourself over for power. Better than dying anyway.
It's amazing though how the thread somehow ignores the most viable builds after taking the most risky route.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Anything but taking a desperation move as our mainstay combat ability.
Thanatanos
PvP Lover, Assasin Player
[X] Bright Vanquisher
[X] Aggressive
[X] +.1 Rank - The will to go on.
[X] Aggressive
[X] +.1 Rank - The will to go on.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
After we win a few fights that will change. Preferable to dying I would say.
Hmm, looking at the remaining options...
Barest Cut: Only even potentially viable on Conservative. Conservative is winning at the moment but it's pretty close.
Vanquisher: Mediocre but viable on both approaches. Stars need to line up well for this build to reach its theoretical potential, if they do it's the best though.
Regiment: Can do both decently well. Its Aggressive strat falls apart if the enemy can't be Nullified though, unless it has gained enough Rank/Experience/Loot beforehand to mitigate its standalone mediocre punch.
[X] Conservative
[X] Immortal Regiment
[X] +.1 Rank
This is at least an okay build in a wide variety of circumstances. So I'll vote for it, even if its a bit hard to get excited about.
Barest Cut: Only even potentially viable on Conservative. Conservative is winning at the moment but it's pretty close.
Vanquisher: Mediocre but viable on both approaches. Stars need to line up well for this build to reach its theoretical potential, if they do it's the best though.
Regiment: Can do both decently well. Its Aggressive strat falls apart if the enemy can't be Nullified though, unless it has gained enough Rank/Experience/Loot beforehand to mitigate its standalone mediocre punch.
[X] Conservative
[X] Immortal Regiment
[X] +.1 Rank
This is at least an okay build in a wide variety of circumstances. So I'll vote for it, even if its a bit hard to get excited about.
Rihaku
The Internet
Depends how you define "can afford!" I'd say in your situation every marginal scrap of power or utility would be productive and possibly essential. When in doubt, pursue power!
There has been a rather confusing trend towards both aggression and greed among the voterbase. Often within the same vote. Very strange.
That's... the spirit! Though you may need more than 'okay' power where you're going!
- Location
- Earth
[X] Conservative
[X] Immortal Regiment
[X] +.1 Rank
[X] Immortal Regiment
[X] +.1 Rank
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
Yeah, you just need to look at how much this temple has been hyped up to realize that nothing less than great strength will suffice. "Ok" is a near failure condition with Aggressive and with conservative might just leave us hunting scraps because we would lack the might to actually go for the more rewarding areas or opponents. Though, I suppose we might be able to take some of the enemies who are vulnerable to Gisena.
At least with Bright Vanquisher, we can ascertain the place where better shinies are and make a go for them, with relatively low chance of Death.
At least with Bright Vanquisher, we can ascertain the place where better shinies are and make a go for them, with relatively low chance of Death.
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Unfortunate, I was considering switching to Panoply if Vanquisher didn't get any traction. Strong offense, sufficient to overcome a gap in power and get the snowball rolling. Really hope an anti-synergistic winning vote combination's not about to get us killed.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Do you remember the Young Master/The Scales sword, which risked death to rando wolves?
As the person who originally created the thrice-great/scales vote, being Yong Liefang would have been pretty cool. Assuming the wolves didn't get us, of course.
[X] Conservative
[X] Ring Affinity
[X] Bright Vanquisher
I've calmed down a bit. The Ring affinity that "might be important" is something we should take. Bright Vanquisher has the most power, though hopefully we won't need to actually use it. We can get more aggressive (or less) after we understand the temple better.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Well, at least if you kill Hunger we'll have that as argument fodder for years to come!
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
[X] Orm Embar
Waffle, waffle, waffle.
I wonder if being a Half Elf would have resulted in more BP gain, to represent the higher intelligence/attributes/wisdom. Aurelia didn't seem to provide those so idk about the impct of being once a generation genius. If it did work like that then rushing INT/WIS (qualitative, not quantitative) would be the god strat on this game.
I wonder if we get high enough progression via Cursebearer, we could effectively select options which used to require Arete with normal picks? Something to consider.
Waffle, waffle, waffle.
Honestly speaking, the existence of BPs would probably have saved us from the wolves. If it happened. Probably.
I wonder if being a Half Elf would have resulted in more BP gain, to represent the higher intelligence/attributes/wisdom. Aurelia didn't seem to provide those so idk about the impct of being once a generation genius. If it did work like that then rushing INT/WIS (qualitative, not quantitative) would be the god strat on this game.
I wonder if we get high enough progression via Cursebearer, we could effectively select options which used to require Arete with normal picks? Something to consider.
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Hey! Our two chief weapons are aggression and greed! And waifuism. Our three chief weapons are aggression, greed and waifuism! And sometimes fluff. But very very little.
- Location
- The savanna.
[X] Aggressive
[X] Bright Vanquisher
[X] Absolute Focus
No more build votes to draw this sucker out, oh well This gives us the best odds of seeing the temple's secrets.
[X] Bright Vanquisher
[X] Absolute Focus
No more build votes to draw this sucker out, oh well This gives us the best odds of seeing the temple's secrets.
- Location
- USA
By some new definition of original, maybe. Not that there's much glory in creating a plan that couldn't make consolidation.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
One of the things I have often wondered:
Can 3 Wishes True Wish can remove a curse? Effectively become a Cursebearer minus the Curse. Or at least 1 less curse.
Could a Lesser Remittance upgrade 3 Wishes (ex:Making it slowly recharge similar to NG+) , or is the only option in that regard maxing out Accursed Favor?
Did it provide communication to the Accursed, similar to Pay to Win?
Pay to Win might have offered quests direct from the Accursed. That might be interesting. I wonder how if at all the Accursed mediates Cursebearer disputes.
Can 3 Wishes True Wish can remove a curse? Effectively become a Cursebearer minus the Curse. Or at least 1 less curse.
Could a Lesser Remittance upgrade 3 Wishes (ex:Making it slowly recharge similar to NG+) , or is the only option in that regard maxing out Accursed Favor?
Did it provide communication to the Accursed, similar to Pay to Win?
Pay to Win might have offered quests direct from the Accursed. That might be interesting. I wonder how if at all the Accursed mediates Cursebearer disputes.
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