A Simple Transaction I
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Do you think that not having Gisena as a relevant fucking combatant that can cheese any one fight with time stop is not going to drastically reduce our combat capability? Because that also reduces her long term scaling as well.
Practically, constantly wasting our action points on dumb fuck shit will leave us in a worse situation than muh damage sword.
For example, right now we are bound to tank next Apo proc with two Afflictions because we decided that not fixing our sword was more important than Hunger Sated.
The point of Tide of Glory is that it's an army buff/debuff - and thus the stats that it grants individual soldiers are quite small. Unless we want to lead Nilfel's armies on a glorious conquest of the Human Sphere, Aobaru would derive greater benefits from a more focused buffing Grace, if that's what we want to do. Though I'll admit that the image of Gisena punching out armies with its Ultimate is pretty funny.
...but yes, I suppose the concerns over the broken Blade are a bit overblown and we're better served shoring up Gisena's strengths.
[X] Vanquisher's Grace + Auspice Temporal
[X] Forebear's Blade - Headsman
On the other hand, fixing the Blade would let us break it again!
...but yes, I suppose the concerns over the broken Blade are a bit overblown and we're better served shoring up Gisena's strengths.
[X] Vanquisher's Grace + Auspice Temporal
[X] Forebear's Blade - Headsman
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- Omniverse #1345
We probably could, but I expect it would have to be Hunger's Hyper Reactor, not Gisena's. (Aka Flight is only self-targetting right now.)
DarkSideBard
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...yes, it was the Favor.
Oh damn, I stand corrected. Foolishly, I have been Not Online Enough to know.
...Sharkey really being a pillar of the community, here, with this generous donation, his vocal civic participation, the local newspaper...really makes you wonder about his long-term political plans in AST City....
Nah, I'm sure it's nothing! Bless you for your sacrifice, Sharkey.
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That wasn't really intended as a counterargument for the Gisena's Grace vote, I'm voting Clarion. I was asking because in week one of the Pillars, you said that we didn't need to bother repairing the Blade because we were limited by our Praxis pool anyway. I'm genuinely wondering if you think that our pool would be unaffected by Shattering.
By the way, I think Hunger should be the one with a resurrection Grace. Companions of the King already lets them restore Hunger if he bites the dust and he's probably going to amass a few more resurrection abilities in time if SitS is anything to go by, so giving Gisena Make Whole presents some overlap. Whereas if Hunger has it, he can resurrect Gisena as well.
For one, I'm not clear on whether Flight can be switched to another technique once set. The name hints that we can only use it with the Sign. For another, there might be other restrictions we don't know about. Tbh Deathly Star feels like something of a waste for this Praxis technique in any case, as it seems equally applicable to cooldowns of 1 day and cooldowns of 1 year. Sadly we don't have better spells with cooldowns atm.
At some point, we are going to have to take Iridescence because the thing unlocks the next set of advancements for Evening Sky and because we are going to the Human Sphere next, where Armaments and the stronger Astral Spirits that they attract are the only reliable source of picks. Better get it here now instead of wasting a pick outside of Pillars.
While I'm voting for Archsmith/Evoker combo, I do have to disagree with this one. The damage to the Forebear's Blade isn't just a stamina limit, its a wound thats being mitigated by Adorie's Oath of Winter. Without her nearby, our limit is dangerously low. Furthermore, wounds can be reopened and be made even worse, which considering the thread's history to vote for high risk fights I consider highly likely . There is a limit to Adorie's power of preservation you know.
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- Louisiana
I would like to remind you that we have a giant crack in the forebears blade, probably our most important artifact and the point from which we draw almost the entirety of our offensive arsenal. From a narrative standpoint this is a significant weakness and one that should be mended ASAP. Quit overblowing how useful gisena will be and undermining how much of an issue a damaged artifact is. Also not only is the ritual to revive us from companions only usable on us, it is stated to be extremely difficult. Having an easy to access resurrection mechanic that DOESNT JUST APPLY TO HUNGER is an insane amount of utility and safety net. To just go "meh we have companions" is short sighted and in bad faith. You're fine to have your preferred option of trying to make gisena combat capable (for however long that lasts) but denying the pure utility of EASY TO USE RESURRECTION ON ANYONE that is only limited by cool down is ridiculous.
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- Europe
[X] Vanquisher's Grace + Auspice Temporal
[X] Flight of Falling Stars
The arguments for Falling Star are compelling, and I want a relevant Gisena. Throwing money after a wound that can heal on its own is a waste and only becomes more wasteful the more we throw money at it.
If necessary I'll switch to any Gisena vote that denies the Make Whole route, because it's a major case of Sunk Costs.
[X] Flight of Falling Stars
The arguments for Falling Star are compelling, and I want a relevant Gisena. Throwing money after a wound that can heal on its own is a waste and only becomes more wasteful the more we throw money at it.
If necessary I'll switch to any Gisena vote that denies the Make Whole route, because it's a major case of Sunk Costs.
The heck? Shadow Ungoliant? After throwing Procyon at us? If true, that does not sound like merely a 1-week Apocryphal proc, hoo boy. Maybe we would have rolled the 5% chance on the Seraph's Favor for that Apocryphal proc if that had happened... nah, we're not that lucky.
On the other hand, I wonder what the Adorie mystery box was, then?
On the other hand, I wonder what the Adorie mystery box was, then?
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- USA
[X] Build Cleanup
[X] Clarion Grace + Mental Apex
For Hunger I honestly would be fine with most choices, prolly anything except Headsman. It's good, but at this stage for an Advancement that limits us in some way going forward I need it to be better.
I'm honestly shocked this Gisena build isn't more popular. It increases her scaling going forward and intelligence can solve problems combat cannot.
The Vanq build interests me as well, but I'm somewhat relying on the free RoB to have pushed Hunger ahead enough in combat power and that won't likely be the way he dies. Especially with the increases Agility gotten with Echoes/Honing here.
[X] Clarion Grace + Mental Apex
For Hunger I honestly would be fine with most choices, prolly anything except Headsman. It's good, but at this stage for an Advancement that limits us in some way going forward I need it to be better.
I'm honestly shocked this Gisena build isn't more popular. It increases her scaling going forward and intelligence can solve problems combat cannot.
The Vanq build interests me as well, but I'm somewhat relying on the free RoB to have pushed Hunger ahead enough in combat power and that won't likely be the way he dies. Especially with the increases Agility gotten with Echoes/Honing here.
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- Europe
Not everything has to be an apocryphal proc, for all that Apo-chan might want us to think otherwise.
Remember, the entire Ring of Time quest was Hunger just moving through the world on his own volition.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
[X] Vanquisher's Grace + Auspice Temporal
If need be, I'll switch to whichever non-Make Whole Gisena option is in the lead closer to vote closing.
Even in the short term, having Relevant Gisena +Time Stop Ultimate boosts our chances in combat more than having a more fixed sword - note that the sword was partially repaired already anyway.
And in the long run it isn't even a contest, this gives Gisena a massive multiplier to all non-RoE research.
If need be, I'll switch to whichever non-Make Whole Gisena option is in the lead closer to vote closing.
Even in the short term, having Relevant Gisena +Time Stop Ultimate boosts our chances in combat more than having a more fixed sword - note that the sword was partially repaired already anyway.
And in the long run it isn't even a contest, this gives Gisena a massive multiplier to all non-RoE research.
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- Pindorama
I still think Flight of Falling Stars is being overrated here, considering the vast majority of our fights have been 1-on-1. Build Cleanup's boost may not look as impressive, but is far more consistent and is required to unlock far greater options like Lunar Coronet. It is a cleanup in a sense we finally fill the loose ends that have accumulated in our build so we can develop better in the future. I think the opportunity cost of doing that is now lower than ever especially thanks to now having Refinement of Battle. So why not take this opportunity to do it?
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[X] Vanquisher's Grace + Auspice Temporal
[X] Flight of Falling Stars
This puts Gisena well into being useful into fights against just about anything which early AST should tell you makes a real difference, which is pretty synergistic with what we just bought, and all the temporal acceleration and general speed boosts should really accelerate her already rank accelerated research speed. She should be grabbing Make Whole+Sealing Protocol 1 before you guys know it, it's like having our cake and eating it too.
Deathly Star is one of my favorite signs and having something to augment feels pretty good. It could really use it now that we don't have the ability to make use of Artful Thorn with it, but I won't hate it if filling out our build wins. Exalted Spirit is neat, and i'd like to see what sort of advancements get unlocked by some of this stuff.
Also, just wanted to say while I was really wanting that Aeira buff, this was a extremely fun update to read, seeing the interactions between her and Hunger were great, it was awesome to see Haeliel's favor put in some intimidation work, and I want to thank @Sharkey_smt so much for making this possible.
[X] Flight of Falling Stars
This puts Gisena well into being useful into fights against just about anything which early AST should tell you makes a real difference, which is pretty synergistic with what we just bought, and all the temporal acceleration and general speed boosts should really accelerate her already rank accelerated research speed. She should be grabbing Make Whole+Sealing Protocol 1 before you guys know it, it's like having our cake and eating it too.
Deathly Star is one of my favorite signs and having something to augment feels pretty good. It could really use it now that we don't have the ability to make use of Artful Thorn with it, but I won't hate it if filling out our build wins. Exalted Spirit is neat, and i'd like to see what sort of advancements get unlocked by some of this stuff.
Also, just wanted to say while I was really wanting that Aeira buff, this was a extremely fun update to read, seeing the interactions between her and Hunger were great, it was awesome to see Haeliel's favor put in some intimidation work, and I want to thank @Sharkey_smt so much for making this possible.
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[X] Make Whole + Sealing Protocol Level I
[X] Flight of Falling Stars
Flight of Falling Stars is pretty good if we really have to end up in a fight against multiple people and it might unlock more Praxis-related techniques in the future, so I'm willing to back it up. Also, I think it just sounds cool to open with like 3 Deathly Stars and devastate multiple Armaments at once. Take that, Republic, Association and Empire scum! Even if they rise against us, we can just rise higher to strike them down.
Given that Plowshares failed to repair the Forebear's Blade, I'd rather we get an ability with good chances of fixing it instead of having to risk rolling the odds again with Plowshares and wind up wasting time if it fails. I think it's important we leave the Realm of Evening at full strength and the Forebear's Blade being fully restored would be crucial to ensuring that. Also, I think having a resurrection Grace is just good sense. Would at least let us have an option to resurrect Letrizia or Aeira if they go down, which might hopefully prevent choices like Dearly Departed arising again.
Sealing Protocol Level I seems like a progressive-chain of meta-Grace abilities that might allow Gisena to access even more of the Maiden's power so I also feel it's a worthwhile investment. Feeling decent about my vote for those reasons.
[X] Flight of Falling Stars
Flight of Falling Stars is pretty good if we really have to end up in a fight against multiple people and it might unlock more Praxis-related techniques in the future, so I'm willing to back it up. Also, I think it just sounds cool to open with like 3 Deathly Stars and devastate multiple Armaments at once. Take that, Republic, Association and Empire scum! Even if they rise against us, we can just rise higher to strike them down.
Given that Plowshares failed to repair the Forebear's Blade, I'd rather we get an ability with good chances of fixing it instead of having to risk rolling the odds again with Plowshares and wind up wasting time if it fails. I think it's important we leave the Realm of Evening at full strength and the Forebear's Blade being fully restored would be crucial to ensuring that. Also, I think having a resurrection Grace is just good sense. Would at least let us have an option to resurrect Letrizia or Aeira if they go down, which might hopefully prevent choices like Dearly Departed arising again.
Sealing Protocol Level I seems like a progressive-chain of meta-Grace abilities that might allow Gisena to access even more of the Maiden's power so I also feel it's a worthwhile investment. Feeling decent about my vote for those reasons.
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