A Simple Transaction I
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Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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Yeah, the Springs are cool. But they're just, like, nice. Our kingdom is built around them, yes, but that's because our kingdom is a backwater, we can do better. With the trade deal we mutually flailed out with Adorie, we're already working on it.
I'm a horrible fishvoter this time around, but it's definitely my second favorite choice. Stalks go home.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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- USA
Normally that would be a huge consideration for me, but not right now. We recklessnessed our way into this situation, and we can recklessness our way out! Now isn't the time to calm down, that wouldn't be very Cut Through of us.
For those voting for lord of stalks, can you all tell me the reason why we chose decimator?
We chose it to avoid pointless loss of life due to our curse against the tyrant.
Why the fuck are we choosing the option that causes loss of life again?
Us going on this decimation hunt means the tyrant can prepare before hand and he's going to be uber dark lord when we face him. Probably have one of our companions imprisoned or do dark lord stuff.
If we want to have the fight in our favor i say we choose the 3 pick fight and get uber strong so we can fuck the tyrant over and whatever puny preperations or traps he made for the coming war against Hunger.
JUST CUT THROUGH
We chose it to avoid pointless loss of life due to our curse against the tyrant.
Why the fuck are we choosing the option that causes loss of life again?
Us going on this decimation hunt means the tyrant can prepare before hand and he's going to be uber dark lord when we face him. Probably have one of our companions imprisoned or do dark lord stuff.
If we want to have the fight in our favor i say we choose the 3 pick fight and get uber strong so we can fuck the tyrant over and whatever puny preperations or traps he made for the coming war against Hunger.
JUST CUT THROUGH
Zampano
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This argument would hit a lot harder if we hadn't just voted to leave the VR to its own devices. Aobaru the chosen one will be leaving the premises while Hunger does things that are more important. Mom Gisena and Dad Hunger will be stuck at work in the Human Sphere for the foreseeable future.
Hunger won't be able to come back and empower the Sovereignty: they'll just go back to their status quo, except with new "expensive" terms of trade with Nilfel and Adorie as a more competent administrator.
I don't think you get to invoke "unimaginable heights" when we are kicking their feet out from under them and then leaving.
[X] The Lord of Stalks
With chaos, comes opportunity. The Lord of Stalks has ironically become a load-bearing pillar supporting his civilization, so toppling him will do damage, but Hunger's growing coalition encompasses three nations already. On a personal level Termeran is reprehensible, so I don't feel too bad about killing him. With Hunger's charisma and Gisena's facility for manipulation some amount of immediate damage control could be done, but the real coup comes once Nilfel has been resolved and Princess Adorie's got a bunch of blooded Legions sitting around with no purpose to turn them to. It depends on distance in the Voyaging Realm, but perhaps she could send them to the Planar Delta, stabilizing the region and addressing Nilfel's overpopulation issues?
But seriously, I can only imagine this as a bone thrown to the players. The Lord of Stalks is both fast and safe, the two primary criteria we should look for in any Satiation target. There's a zero percent chance we will turn around and vote to absorb him for powerups. Picking the Armament-Fish is a level of risk-taking that will see Hunger dead in the long run, and while he feel may no particular obligation to his citizens, there's a difference between that and actively betraying them. Both the Fish and Territorial Waters compound negative aspects of his characterization. The latter also robs the Kingdom of future Agents of the Throne; he accepted responsibility for that benefit, so he shouldn't relinquish it casually! And though it's a secondary consideration, I'm disinclined to let a Tyrant hold his nation's well-being hostage.
With chaos, comes opportunity. The Lord of Stalks has ironically become a load-bearing pillar supporting his civilization, so toppling him will do damage, but Hunger's growing coalition encompasses three nations already. On a personal level Termeran is reprehensible, so I don't feel too bad about killing him. With Hunger's charisma and Gisena's facility for manipulation some amount of immediate damage control could be done, but the real coup comes once Nilfel has been resolved and Princess Adorie's got a bunch of blooded Legions sitting around with no purpose to turn them to. It depends on distance in the Voyaging Realm, but perhaps she could send them to the Planar Delta, stabilizing the region and addressing Nilfel's overpopulation issues?
But seriously, I can only imagine this as a bone thrown to the players. The Lord of Stalks is both fast and safe, the two primary criteria we should look for in any Satiation target. There's a zero percent chance we will turn around and vote to absorb him for powerups. Picking the Armament-Fish is a level of risk-taking that will see Hunger dead in the long run, and while he feel may no particular obligation to his citizens, there's a difference between that and actively betraying them. Both the Fish and Territorial Waters compound negative aspects of his characterization. The latter also robs the Kingdom of future Agents of the Throne; he accepted responsibility for that benefit, so he shouldn't relinquish it casually! And though it's a secondary consideration, I'm disinclined to let a Tyrant hold his nation's well-being hostage.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
[X] The Armament Fish
Because, while it would be kind of sad for us not to get to adopt it, it's almost certainly killed millions of innocent people in sinking all those island chains. So, you know, sadness limited.
Also, it turns out that getting my story-writing off the ground is sapping most of the time and some of the energy I'd be using for writing up new Surges. Here's my draft list; maybe someone else can adopt them.
[ ] Mothflame
A surpassingly attractive destruction, the plague of fire and ruin that calls like all desiring.
0 Arete: A deeply incomplete Element, resembling moths made of fire. Liable to cause feelings of longing and melancholy. Arguably, it is cursed.
2 Arete: A mostly functional element, which can draw on its' wielder's Essence if it is ever found deficient. Draws all agentive existences that detect it toward itself, to be destroyed.
(Build on this theme more.)
[ ] Stormbone
A solid element, ossified essence of the [another good synonym for storm]. Can act as lightning-rod and weather-stone. Can manifest as javelin rain.
(I may have a proper go at this one eventually, it's the one I'm most excited about.)
[ ] Baneroot
A plantlike element, as versatile and dangerous as Quickwater. Can be turned into potions or other root-preparations as the 'bane' of something - either of whatever they're mixed with, or an enhancement of banes already present. This allows a fair number of protection and antidote options, though. And, of course, a really effective attack.
At EFB level, rooting this element into an opponent sort of mimics Artful Thorn - it adds a weakness on that level that the present environment can trigger.
[ ] Greatwind
Not sure. Probably a lot like Exavolt, but wind-focused. Allows some weirder conceptual effects, which I think are at least isomorphic to things you can do with Astral Pressure? Like, EFB-level would probably do a lot of the same stuff Sharpbright does, and probably better than the 7-Arete Sharpbright.
[ ] Heartfiber
Something to do with connections between people? Also, a Willpower buff. Might be something of a Shadowcord clone?
[ ] Raintear
Would be an entirely straightfaced Roy Batty joke, and also a totally viable debuff element. (Haven't seen many of those.) Saddens and obscures; at higher levels, can make memories disappear. Might double as a stealth element? May also allow rain-based teleportation.
(403 words.)
Because, while it would be kind of sad for us not to get to adopt it, it's almost certainly killed millions of innocent people in sinking all those island chains. So, you know, sadness limited.
Also, it turns out that getting my story-writing off the ground is sapping most of the time and some of the energy I'd be using for writing up new Surges. Here's my draft list; maybe someone else can adopt them.
[ ] Mothflame
A surpassingly attractive destruction, the plague of fire and ruin that calls like all desiring.
0 Arete: A deeply incomplete Element, resembling moths made of fire. Liable to cause feelings of longing and melancholy. Arguably, it is cursed.
2 Arete: A mostly functional element, which can draw on its' wielder's Essence if it is ever found deficient. Draws all agentive existences that detect it toward itself, to be destroyed.
(Build on this theme more.)
[ ] Stormbone
A solid element, ossified essence of the [another good synonym for storm]. Can act as lightning-rod and weather-stone. Can manifest as javelin rain.
(I may have a proper go at this one eventually, it's the one I'm most excited about.)
[ ] Baneroot
A plantlike element, as versatile and dangerous as Quickwater. Can be turned into potions or other root-preparations as the 'bane' of something - either of whatever they're mixed with, or an enhancement of banes already present. This allows a fair number of protection and antidote options, though. And, of course, a really effective attack.
At EFB level, rooting this element into an opponent sort of mimics Artful Thorn - it adds a weakness on that level that the present environment can trigger.
[ ] Greatwind
Not sure. Probably a lot like Exavolt, but wind-focused. Allows some weirder conceptual effects, which I think are at least isomorphic to things you can do with Astral Pressure? Like, EFB-level would probably do a lot of the same stuff Sharpbright does, and probably better than the 7-Arete Sharpbright.
[ ] Heartfiber
Something to do with connections between people? Also, a Willpower buff. Might be something of a Shadowcord clone?
[ ] Raintear
Would be an entirely straightfaced Roy Batty joke, and also a totally viable debuff element. (Haven't seen many of those.) Saddens and obscures; at higher levels, can make memories disappear. Might double as a stealth element? May also allow rain-based teleportation.
(403 words.)
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[X] The Lord of Stalks
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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- USA
If we dig in deep and reach 21 Arete, we can get the legendary FDS, the Fish-Defeating Stance! Then it wouldn't be risky at all.
But that's not going to happen, so ADS it is. Shooooouuld be okay with that, even if Apo-chan gets curious.
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this is worse than just running the Decimation, and all of the moral arguments that had it win as our priority in the first place are a total farce if this is chosen
Also, consider the quest description: "Trapped in a pastoral countryside, they wander its endless hills and meadows, fighting magical beasts, avenging the downtrodden, and overthrowing the government."
Our mandate is clear. Not imposed by a Geas, perhaps, but patterns of habit are no less binding! Also, it's just amusing to think of Hunger accidentally the government everywhere he goes. This'll be the fifth time, if you count his previous isekai experience!
Our mandate is clear. Not imposed by a Geas, perhaps, but patterns of habit are no less binding! Also, it's just amusing to think of Hunger accidentally the government everywhere he goes. This'll be the fifth time, if you count his previous isekai experience!
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
Oh yeah, I forgot to count the Tyrant! So Hunger didn't start his governmental restructuring projects with a failure, that's a pleasing thought.
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- Pindorama
People saying Stalks is a freebie but Territorial Waters feel like the real freebie to me. It's literally risk-free and only minorly damages the prosperity of the nation we are in charge of. Considering we saved them from the Rotbeast, it can be said they still owe us at least this!
But I'm voting for the Armament Fish because it's cooler and a number of people said they wanted to get it in my survey, so here it goes!
[X] The Armament Fish
But I'm voting for the Armament Fish because it's cooler and a number of people said they wanted to get it in my survey, so here it goes!
[X] The Armament Fish
[X] The Armament Fish
Let's stop being a shitty person and start being a great fisherman.
Let's stop being a shitty person and start being a great fisherman.
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- USA
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- He/Him
[X] The Armament Fish
I have a slight preference for Territorial Waters, but this will be really cool to read about and is a tempting prize if we survive. If we do die, it's a supremely fitting way to go. As a three pick fight, we've done riskier for less reward in the past.
I have a slight preference for Territorial Waters, but this will be really cool to read about and is a tempting prize if we survive. If we do die, it's a supremely fitting way to go. As a three pick fight, we've done riskier for less reward in the past.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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- USA
That probably wasn't supposed to be inspiring, but I'm fired up now and I don't even like fish.
Hm, if only we could rely on Gisena manipulating Hunger for his own benefit to dodge any characterization implications...
Tyrant_Rayne
Probably Not Evil… Maybe
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- Canada
Wait I got it! There actually isn't a need to worry about us taking the fish as an artifact you see. We just have to push for ADS and then after the fight we'll have no Arete left therefore no way to purchase the armament EFB. A brilliant plan if I do say so myself.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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- USA
This, but unironically. Not that more Arete is ever bad, that is, but we do have plenty of cheap, low-hanging fruit to spend any picks on.
I don't think getting a second Armament would work, since we've already got Versch? Apparently it's not impossible to be bonded to more than one, just very inefficient. The Fish would be a potent bargaining chip if not destroyed (which isn't guaranteed, in a fight like that, especially if Satiation requires destruction), but not something Hunger could add as part of his Panoply.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
Paranoia check: I shouldn't worry that Artful Thorn renders targets ineligible for Huntress's Moon, should I? I had a jolt about how it attacks the wholeness of enemies, but we still got XP from the Rotbeast... but that was from the challenge, not the "life force."
CONFLICTION!
Finally the time for be fish has come upon us. And yet I do love the overthrowing of governments. And the fish can indeed be gone after later, perhaps we can integrate it into our panoply after we defeat the LP.
[X] The Armament Fish
[X] The Lord of Stalks
I must meditate upon this.
Finally the time for be fish has come upon us. And yet I do love the overthrowing of governments. And the fish can indeed be gone after later, perhaps we can integrate it into our panoply after we defeat the LP.
[X] The Armament Fish
[X] The Lord of Stalks
I must meditate upon this.