A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Offers Tyrant and Inheritor mitigation does it? Charisma is the least of the reasons Hunger is shit at disguise. Hell, with crazy high charisma at least a barefaced lie about being a completely different mythic hero would be believed.
At least try to be evil, what is this lame crap. Use "Enron Inc" with slogan 'Ask why'.
Prefer RoB if possible to stack up more power for the Tower. Refinement of place is second place though
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- Pindorama
If you were really moved about the narrative potential of the option, you should have argued so in the original vote; it likely would have been more effective then a pure practicality argument.
But nevertheless, I would remain unmoved by such things because for a Progression-type this isn't a dilemma at all. If we'd care to solve it we'd solve it, as we did. This distancing from the normal folk is far from a inevitability, so trying to milk tragedy points when we were in fact offered convenient solutions in the past about this issue makes it ring hollow. You could say it would have been a tragedy of his own making, but a tragedy because we didn't buy something for 7 Arete? Please, let's have something a bit more natural and not completely forced. Have this spring from his previous character at the very least.
Nah; you see, this rabbit hole goes deeper. When asked about the reliability of Nullity is this new setting:
Since obviously Gisena used Nullity on her original universe, this implies that the Voyaging Realm is either:
- 1% percent the size of the universe
- 1% the mass of universe
- 1% the "ontological importance" of a universe
The first is by far the most crazy in terms of implications. A quick google seems to give that the latest estimates put the universe around 93 billion light years in diameter. If we take this comment about this place being 0.01 of the universe seriously, then the Voyaging Realm is 930 million light-years in diameter itself. And since all of it that we have seen so far is made to reproduce a single "world", with earth, air, animals etc; it's filled with matter from top to bottom. Since only about 4.2 sextillionths of the universe has matter in it, this would mean that the Voyaging Realm has over ten quintillion times more mass than the universe. That's an insane number.
The second is a bit less jaw-dropping to say the least. Letrizia says the Human Sphere has ten thousand inhabited systems and twenty thousand uninhabited ones. Using a naive calculation where I assume all the inhabited planets are the size of Earth and all the uninhabited ones are the size of Jupiter, and put that shit in Wolfram Alpha; the result is around 3.8 x 10^31 kg of mass. By comparison, the whole universe is estimated to have around 10^53 kg in mass; one percent of that is of course 10^51 kg. So it's about a difference of 10^20 kg in mass; which does put the Human Sphere about a sextillionth the size of the Voyaging Realm; close to your estimate above.
Whether they would have created this mass ex nihilo or physically gathered 1% of the mass of the universe to put in the Voyaging Realm remains to be seen.
We know that the Voyaging Realm is bigger on the inside. On the outside it is the size of Jupiter but inside they are talking about thousand light years. There is only one possible explanation - the Voyaging Realm is alive and fooling the measuring instruments to appear bigger. I presume VR to be a male and insecure one at that because VR constantly lies about its size.
VR: I am millions of years
Measuring tool: It says that you are about the size of a planet
VR:...nah, that is... uh I am a bit cold
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
What if I called in a vote marker for supporting Combat Tourism as a training tactic? (Maybe a 1k analysis of it?)
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DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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- Earth
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I mean that's the plan. Praxis is fucking amazing, remember how Lucenthorn would have required investment in Praxis to face? It has conceptual punch that other things lack, An Praxis EFB is the goal, we are probably going to get new ones that has synergy with Rank, perhaps something like Refinement of Rank/Pressure? maybe Exactly what we need to overcome these people.
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- Canada
This seems pretty risky. Sure, their mooks aren't actually a threat to us, unless we have to fight against an overwhelming number of them, which is definitely a possibility, but we have no idea how much more powerful their elites are. It is the option that cost us the least time, though.
Information, powerful Artifacts and potent magics and probably safer, what's not to like? Well, there's the problem of potentially triggering the Doom and of spending all our precious Arete on random magic instead of getting OaF.
Highly problematic from a moral point of view, +Heartlessness is bad and there's a real risk of the Realm detecting our Decimation and dropping all their elites on us at once. And it's very unlikely that there'll be any Praxis EFB available which is better for us than OaF would be. It obviously also spend the most time of any of the options. Lore is always interesting and a Gisena's Artifact is always nice, but this really doesn't seem worth it.
All-Defeating would make us immediately stronger, by a pretty large margin, but it's a lot worse for our build than OaF would be, so I'm pretty reluctant to actually go for ADS here.
[X] Aabcehmu
Hmm, just an idle thought, but if we go Entrench and manage to get 7 Praxis picks, it might be a good time to buy Cold Light of Vengeance. Not only is the technique very cool and aesthetically consistent with Hunger's themes, it allows us to inflict an absurd amount of damage from increasingly greater distances over the duration of the spell. If we manage to get into a good position for it, it might even possible for Hunger to Cut Through the Tower itself from far, far, far away, the line of his blade shearing cleanly through both the material and ontological substance of the structure as Cold Light ramps up in strength.
Of course, the technique does consume increasing amounts of willpower to employ the longer it is active, so it might be difficult for Hunger to build his strength up to the point he can effectively use such a tactic, but the idea is very cool in my opinion. It'd be a move out of nowhere as far as the Myth Lands' civilization is concerned, though the storm of cuts would probably also decimate anybody caught in the wake of the attack and inflict devastating casualties on the city, both military and civilian alike...
Cold Light of Vengeance is a super sick technique and picking it up does allow Hunger to finally acquire a proper 'finishing move', besides 'cut harder and faster' (though Cold Light is pretty much just Hunger cutting so hard and so fast, he generates a storm of cuts capable of cleaving through the conceptual... it seems a bit more structured than just attacking normally though). If we're not keen to pursue Praxis potential options like Imperial Refinement (still my preference), Cold Light could be a good hybrid power / potential balanced option. Plus it'd be an extremely powerful technique to include as part of our Panoply... imagine Hunger being able to just casually cut through entire universes with an endlessly increasing storm of cuts, his mastery over the techniques and its integration with Accretion minimizing its energy-costs, allowing him to spam an attack capable of annihilating entire ontological realms! It'd be the ultimate evolution of Uttermost, elevating Hunger's blade-winds to their final and most destructive form!
Of course, the technique does consume increasing amounts of willpower to employ the longer it is active, so it might be difficult for Hunger to build his strength up to the point he can effectively use such a tactic, but the idea is very cool in my opinion. It'd be a move out of nowhere as far as the Myth Lands' civilization is concerned, though the storm of cuts would probably also decimate anybody caught in the wake of the attack and inflict devastating casualties on the city, both military and civilian alike...
Cold Light of Vengeance is a super sick technique and picking it up does allow Hunger to finally acquire a proper 'finishing move', besides 'cut harder and faster' (though Cold Light is pretty much just Hunger cutting so hard and so fast, he generates a storm of cuts capable of cleaving through the conceptual... it seems a bit more structured than just attacking normally though). If we're not keen to pursue Praxis potential options like Imperial Refinement (still my preference), Cold Light could be a good hybrid power / potential balanced option. Plus it'd be an extremely powerful technique to include as part of our Panoply... imagine Hunger being able to just casually cut through entire universes with an endlessly increasing storm of cuts, his mastery over the techniques and its integration with Accretion minimizing its energy-costs, allowing him to spam an attack capable of annihilating entire ontological realms! It'd be the ultimate evolution of Uttermost, elevating Hunger's blade-winds to their final and most destructive form!
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- Pindorama
By the way, I'd just like to thank @Callidus hugging my post on page 54 since it reminded me what I really care about.
[X] Entrench
[X] Save
I had lost my way. We have enough for a Praxis EFB, so we should obviously get it! All other considerations are moot in the face of this, but it's also the safest, so it's very good for us just from a pragmatic perspective as well! Really, when will we have such an opportunity to train the Praxis as this?
[X] Entrench
[X] Save
I had lost my way. We have enough for a Praxis EFB, so we should obviously get it! All other considerations are moot in the face of this, but it's also the safest, so it's very good for us just from a pragmatic perspective as well! Really, when will we have such an opportunity to train the Praxis as this?
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Now that the gap has shrunk to nothing, it's a good time to start selling my vote. By the way, currently voting for Scenic Route, which makes my swap to Entrench worth +2 in the tally. You could buy my betrayal for the low cost of a single vetoless vote marker.
Fair enough, I just see all these people saying we can't get All defeating because we need OaF first lol. Too many good options!!
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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- Aurora, CO
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If you call, I'll vote, but I don't really have the energy to put into an analysis right now unfortunately. I've lost control of my sleep schedule due to a crippling addiction to AI Dungeon, and need to catch up.
So if we're to study the blade, lets try and imagine some ways the Praxis can assist with our little tower issue. My thoughts also tie into our open Panoply slots and the idea we can fill in techniques.
If for instance we studied the blade and took Artful Thorn as a part of our panoply, I'd be curious how we could put our mark on it. While it may be a shortsighted choice, I do think it is an incredible 'Cut Through' equivalent that is at least very thematic with us. It may even be too on the nose really, but extending its reach from important areas like eyes and structure to critical locations like the heart and foundation could be quite the upgrade. It may not be doing anything new, but it would be unquestionably better at doing what we love.
I would also be interested if Thorn could be integrated with the power of ruin since it's a major component of our sword. Instead of just cutting through and damaging something, perhaps we could cut through and deliver a payload of ruin that acts like a virus, perpetuating itself on the creature or object in question unless cut out, removed, or what have you by a higher force.
Artful thorn as part of our panoply, and invested in additionally, could open up it's more esoteric features Rihaku sort of hinted at. The end of the blurb, sorry too lazy to go quote the post, says 'At this level, only works on coherent enemies'. I'm curious if this would allow it to eventually hit not only intangible foes, but eventually more interestingly vague concepts like 'X opponents political plan' or 'Bers training'. I would find it immensely amusing to one day be able to move beyond merely cutting through people, and begin cutting though everything else in the world that opposes us.
The virus one especially sounds crazy, but my understanding of the Praxis is that if you put in the time it doesn't really have barriers. That being the case I feel like one of its techniques would be perfect for our Panoply if such a thing is viable. Not sure if any of these types of effects would require the Imperial Praxis or if they would fall under the purview of the Royal.
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On another note, I've noticed that several people reference Refinement of Place as a possible solution, or at least the start of one. I may have missed the explanation, but is the idea that we're moving the tower somewhere we can destroy it in peace, or moving ourselves somewhere on it? Or perhaps it is meant as a get away move if we just start hacking the thing down.
If for instance we studied the blade and took Artful Thorn as a part of our panoply, I'd be curious how we could put our mark on it. While it may be a shortsighted choice, I do think it is an incredible 'Cut Through' equivalent that is at least very thematic with us. It may even be too on the nose really, but extending its reach from important areas like eyes and structure to critical locations like the heart and foundation could be quite the upgrade. It may not be doing anything new, but it would be unquestionably better at doing what we love.
I would also be interested if Thorn could be integrated with the power of ruin since it's a major component of our sword. Instead of just cutting through and damaging something, perhaps we could cut through and deliver a payload of ruin that acts like a virus, perpetuating itself on the creature or object in question unless cut out, removed, or what have you by a higher force.
Artful thorn as part of our panoply, and invested in additionally, could open up it's more esoteric features Rihaku sort of hinted at. The end of the blurb, sorry too lazy to go quote the post, says 'At this level, only works on coherent enemies'. I'm curious if this would allow it to eventually hit not only intangible foes, but eventually more interestingly vague concepts like 'X opponents political plan' or 'Bers training'. I would find it immensely amusing to one day be able to move beyond merely cutting through people, and begin cutting though everything else in the world that opposes us.
The virus one especially sounds crazy, but my understanding of the Praxis is that if you put in the time it doesn't really have barriers. That being the case I feel like one of its techniques would be perfect for our Panoply if such a thing is viable. Not sure if any of these types of effects would require the Imperial Praxis or if they would fall under the purview of the Royal.
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On another note, I've noticed that several people reference Refinement of Place as a possible solution, or at least the start of one. I may have missed the explanation, but is the idea that we're moving the tower somewhere we can destroy it in peace, or moving ourselves somewhere on it? Or perhaps it is meant as a get away move if we just start hacking the thing down.
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Zampano
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I see that you are trying to undercut my prices. I'm also a scenic route voter willing to betray for 1 vetoless marker, but my vote comes with 1000 words of analysis
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Yeah, but that's because it's only worth more to the people who are voting for a different option. For the people who vote the same as you, it's worth considerably less.
Haven't seen a vote bought in a couple updates now, almost seems like the vote market has lost interest from potential investors!
Most likely, as previously noted, because vote buying has proven to be (so far) largely unsuccessful.
Guess i'll try something new to insure vote markers don't become obsolete (and vote trading perhaps leading the future being a nightmare for me, since the players in that kind of game have already been established!)
Gonna sell a vetoless vote marker for another in trade! As in, we trade markers, such that we can call each other in to any vote we want!
Of course, to foster goodwill for this system, any marker gained from ME this way will supersede any markers i have over you!
So in the future, if i come to possess more (or any) of your markers, keeping it in reserve could come in handy! (functionally they would serve as an additional veto + vote for your option!)
This is (for now) a limited offer! Two deals max!
Most likely, as previously noted, because vote buying has proven to be (so far) largely unsuccessful.
Guess i'll try something new to insure vote markers don't become obsolete (and vote trading perhaps leading the future being a nightmare for me, since the players in that kind of game have already been established!)
Gonna sell a vetoless vote marker for another in trade! As in, we trade markers, such that we can call each other in to any vote we want!
Of course, to foster goodwill for this system, any marker gained from ME this way will supersede any markers i have over you!
So in the future, if i come to possess more (or any) of your markers, keeping it in reserve could come in handy! (functionally they would serve as an additional veto + vote for your option!)
This is (for now) a limited offer! Two deals max!
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