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[X] Tell him of your dreams, of a united kingdom under Egg's rule, of a united House Targaryen where family may love and laugh. You wished to aid your brother as his Hand, is that so terribly a thing to wish for? To wish for a kinder land?
Great dream and it really fits with Vis, the only problem is that Aegon (who do we have to convince) hates Maergor and doesn't really care about his great-aunt, whose feelings for him are mutual. If he could he would happily get rid of them, as he genuinely doesn't believe they are or can be trusted. So how is this explanation going to make him forgive Viserys' perceived betrayal of him, if he can't accept the context?

At most, I can see him believing that we are too naive and have ended up being taken advantage of by his enemies, which is not something we want, we want him to take our words and advice seriously and trust that we know what we are doing.
 
I don't know if this is a write in or not but!

[Write in] [x] Tell him of your plan, of your need to have Maegor steady the realm whilst he can prepare, to save it...

Tell him that Maegor is necessary. That despite the rift between our family, we have to stay together as one. tell him of what you know of the faith, how they see us, Targaryens as abominations. How Maegor will be there to act as a shield, as we grow in strength and confidence. With ourselves and Rhaena giving you support or advice. because i know you can be the king that Westeros needs, the king that i swear to serve and help you rise!
 
[X] Tell him of your dreams, of a united kingdom under Egg's rule, of a united House Targaryen where family may love and laugh. You wished to aid your brother as his Hand, is that so terribly a thing to wish for? To wish for a kinder land?
 
Shoulda put a hold on votes, can already tell this is going to be decisive, isn't it? Allowed some discussion before anything else.
 
Great dream and it really fits with Vis, the only problem is that Aegon (who do we have to convince) hates Maergor and doesn't really care about his great-aunt, whose feelings for him are mutual. If he could he would happily get rid of them, as he genuinely doesn't believe they are or can be trusted. So how is this explanation going to make him forgive Viserys' perceived betrayal of him, if he can't accept the context?

At most, I can see him believing that we are too naive and have ended up being taken advantage of by his enemies, which is not something we want, we want him to take our words and advice seriously and trust that we know what we are doing.
A fair argument, but saying that we only dream of being his loyal brother and nothing more could come off as obsequious if we make even the slightest error. This way, Viserys comes across as idealistic, sure, and indeed maybe a tad naïve, but if we come off as fawning to a guy who's already unsure of us, he could just as easily consider us two-faced. This way, we're laying the whole truth before him, keeping no secrets.
 
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A fair argument, but saying that we only dream of being his loyal brother and nothing more could come off as obsequious if we make even the slightest error. This way, Viserys comes across as idealistic, sure, and indeed maybe a tad naïve, but if we come off as fawning to a guy who's already unsure of us, he could just as easily consider us two-faced. This way, we're laying the whole truth before him, keeping no secrets.
It's not a question of being a flatterer, Aegon previously believed completely that Viserys would be on his side, I'm sure that he, like Vis himself, imagined his brother as the Hand, helping him to administer the Kingdom. Maybe he dreamed that the three of them together would act and overthrow Maegor and his mother, ensuring his reign in an epic story.

So suddenly the kind brother who had never been interested in the intrigues at Court before made a deal with Maegor, his bogeyman since he was a child, out of the blue without consulting either him or his sister (I'm sure he had a conversation with her later to see if it was some kind of plan created by the two of them just to come out empty).

Was this the most realistic plan to prevent the Kingdom's problems from blowing up in their family's faces and give them time to create solutions that don't require Maegor? Yes, and as a prince Aegon logically understands this. Could this, in the unlikely event, improve family relations and allow the family to face the storm with a united front? Most likely not, but there is always a chance.

Does he care about any of this? Not at all, because his hurt feelings are clouding that. And it shows that his feelings for Viserys were deep if he is exploding like this.

Tell me how exactly is this choice resolving the root of Aegon's problem with us at this point, especially when Vis himself does not like Maegor and knows that it is inevitable that he and Aegon would fight for the throne, with only the method being different, since they both grew up thinking that it is theirs?

(Which makes this choice a lie in my eyes because Viserys himself knows that there is no way to reconcile the family at this point, both Aegon and Maegor want that throne and will not let it go, this is their line in the sand. The family will fight and he has already chosen to side with his brother)

To me it seems like an excuse that at best can make Aegon think we were deceived and calm things down temporarily but make the wound not heal. So the method is not so good in the long run.

What I chose, combined with Viserys' high diplomatic skills and traits, low stress and Aegon's persistent love and affection, I sincerely believe, makes him realize that Viserys really still supports him with all his heart but seeing no way out for his future situation decided to sacrifice himself by making a deal so that they have more time to improve Aegon's position as crown prince.

I think this will be much more effective because it won't be subversive in the eyes of Aegon and Vis (whose dream is still to be his brother's second) and will just be loyal and supportive.

Sorry if I'm being too verbose and not explaining my point well.
 
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It's not a question of being a flatterer, Aegon previously believed completely that Viserys would be on his side, I'm sure that he, like Vis himself, imagined his brother as the Hand, helping him to administer the Kingdom. Maybe he dreamed that the three of them together would act and overthrow Maegor and his mother, ensuring his reign in an epic story.
Agreed, it's not about being a flatterer per se. It's more that Aegon, emotional as he is, could see it that way. At this point, he's scared and angry and looking for an excuse to lash out. This way, by laying it all out and balancing both love for him and the greater good, we have a better chance than just giving him platitudes.
Tell me how exactly is this choice resolving the root of Aegon's problem with us at this point, especially when Vis himself does not like Maegor and knows that it is inevitable that he and Aegon would fight for the throne, with only the method being different, since they both grew up thinking that it is theirs?
The point here is that we're making it clear that Vis doesn't like Maegor either, but he does love his family. We're making nice with someone we once hated, yes, but we're just as firmly on our brother's side as ever. And nothing will ever change that. Since Egg's as frightened as he is, complete honesty is probably the best policy here. Especially since Aegon explicitly demanded it from Viserys. He's likely to flip out at the slightest sign of false reassurance. And since it's completely in character for Viserys, Aegon has no reason to disbelieve us.
Sorry if I'm being too verbose and not explaining my point well.
Oh, no, not at all. Your point was very well-articulated. This has been fun.
 
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I'd reward this in some way if I could because this is some in depth stuff that I love. Seriously, enjoy this type of discussion and some people's thoughts on other characters and their motivations. Though some may be wrong and others may have a different outcome than the actual canon did considering the changes already occuring, but good stuff Azais.
 
[X] Tell him of your dream, of your dream to always be by his side, to be the brother he needed...

I wish there was an option to point out that Meagor rides the largest Dragon currently alive and is a ruthless enough bastard to use it the second he gets an excuse so an outright fight for the throne was always gonna be in his favor.

Don't get me wrong, I get where Aegon is coming from I do, but bigger army diplomacy is always an option and that fat fuck of a dragon is the biggest force multiplier currently alive.

Edit: I suppose I could do a write-in but I feel like if we tried to tell him this now he'd just get defensive and go "I could totally take him."
 
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Since Egg's as frightened as he is, complete honesty is probably the best policy here. Especially since Aegon explicitly demanded it from Viserys. He's likely to flip out at the slightest sign of false reassurance. And since it's completely in character for Viserys, Aegon has no reason to disbelieve us.
But I had said that I think Vis saying this is a lie, going against any honesty because Viserys knows that it is basically impossible of the begin.
[X] Tell him of your dreams, of a united kingdom under Egg's rule, of a united House Targaryen where family may love and laugh. You wished to aid your brother as his Hand, is that so terribly a thing to wish for? To wish for a kinder land?
(Which makes this choice a lie in my eyes because Viserys himself knows that there is no way to reconcile the family at this point, both Aegon and Maegor want that throne and will not let it go, this is their line in the sand. The family will fight and he has already chosen to side with his brother)

Oh, no, not at all. Your point was very well-articulated. This has been fun.
I'd reward this in some way if I could because this is some in depth stuff that I love. Seriously, enjoy this type of discussion and some people's thoughts on other characters and their motivations. Though some may be wrong and others may have a different outcome than the actual canon did considering the changes already occuring, but good stuff Azais.
Thanks, when I get invested in something I can write too much and lose my argument in a sea of letters but that's just a sign that this quest is great.
 
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(Which makes this choice a lie in my eyes because Viserys himself knows that there is no way to reconcile the family at this point, both Aegon and Maegor want that throne and will not let it go, this is their line in the sand. The family will fight and he has already chosen to side with his brother)
Calling this one an outright lie is something of a stretch. Sure, Viserys knows that the rift runs deep, but this is still the guy who saw something good in the Cannibal of all dragons. Being an idealist is just in his nature. And Aegon's main problem here is that we didn't trust him earlier (in his mind, at least). What we state here is ultimately a dream, in the end.
 
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This is still neck and neck, only a few votes seperate them. Yes, next time....

I'll hold the votes :p Aegon the Uncrowned really is special to voters here.
 
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