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A Play of Blood and Shot (ASOIAF NG)

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Ironanvil1 said:
I have - Kazir's got the money, the mob, and the military. All the votes that count.
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Honestly, i get where you are coming from, but i think they mean, you ought to pretend voting happened despite it being rigged as hell and make sure none of your opponents do something stupid this turn.
 
Theravis said:
Firstly: The GM already ruled. Both of them.

Secondly: You should at least attempt to pay lip service to democratic principles here.
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Braavos isn't a democracy - it's an oligarchy. Showing up with a army to make the electors vote your way is a time honored tradition in real Venice, and likely in Braavos as well...

Anyway:

A different Braavosi family -- the Zianis or Contarinis to the Bregia's Dandolos.
The Emperor of Yi Ti
God-Empress of Leng
 
While it is fun to use Venice and medieval Italy as a reference point, it is worth remembering that Braavos, like all of GRMM's creations, is an amalgamation of influences and references, and a creature all its own. Two small quotes from the World Book give us some very clear parameters on Braavos:

The youngest of the Nine Free Cities, Braavos is also the wealthiest, and in all likelihood the most powerful. Originally founded by escaped slaves, its humble beginnings were rooted in nothing more than a desire to be free. For a great part of its early history, its secret status made it of little consequence in the wider world. But in time it grew, eventually emerging as a power almost without rival.

Neither prince nor king commands in Braavos, where the rule belongs to the Sealord, chosen by the city's magisters and keyholders from amongst the citizenry by a process as convoluted as it is arcane. From his vast waterside palace, the Sealord commands a fleet of warships second to none and a mercantile fleet whose purple hulls and purple sails have become a common sight throughout the known world.

Braavos was founded by fugitives from a large convoy of slave ships on its way from Valyria to a newly established colony in Sothoryos, who rose in a bloody rebellion, seized control of the ships on which they were being transported, and fled to "the far ends of the earth" to escape their erstwhile masters. Knowing they would be hunted, the slaves turned away from their intended destination and sailed north instead of south, seeking a refuge as far from Valyria and her vengeance as could be found. Braavosi histories claim that a group of slave women from the distant lands of the Jogos Nhai prophesied where they would find shelter: in a distant lagoon behind a wall of pine-clad hills and sea stones, where the frequent fogs would help to hide the refugees from the eyes of dragonriders passing overhead. And so it proved. These women were priestesses, called moonsingers, and to this day the Temple of the Moonsingers is the greatest in Braavos.​

And secondly;

Though many a deadly swordsman can be found amongst the bravos and water dancers, by tradition the greatest of them all is the First Sword, who commands the personal guard of the Sealord and protects his person at all public events. Once chosen, Sealords serve for life. Inevitably, there are always those who wish to cut that life short to effect some change in policy. Through the centuries, the First Swords have fought many famous duels, taken part in a dozen wars, and saved the lives of scores of Sealords, for good and ill.​
 
Velasco said:
While it is fun to use Venice and medieval Italy as a reference point, it is worth remembering that Braavos, like all of GRMM's creations, is an amalgamation of influences and references, and a creature all its own. Two small quotes from the World Book give us some very clear parameters on Braavos:

The youngest of the Nine Free Cities, Braavos is also the wealthiest, and in all likelihood the most powerful. Originally founded by escaped slaves, its humble beginnings were rooted in nothing more than a desire to be free. For a great part of its early history, its secret status made it of little consequence in the wider world. But in time it grew, eventually emerging as a power almost without rival.

Neither prince nor king commands in Braavos, where the rule belongs to the Sealord, chosen by the city's magisters and keyholders from amongst the citizenry by a process as convoluted as it is arcane. From his vast waterside palace, the Sealord commands a fleet of warships second to none and a mercantile fleet whose purple hulls and purple sails have become a common sight throughout the known world.

Braavos was founded by fugitives from a large convoy of slave ships on its way from Valyria to a newly established colony in Sothoryos, who rose in a bloody rebellion, seized control of the ships on which they were being transported, and fled to "the far ends of the earth" to escape their erstwhile masters. Knowing they would be hunted, the slaves turned away from their intended destination and sailed north instead of south, seeking a refuge as far from Valyria and her vengeance as could be found. Braavosi histories claim that a group of slave women from the distant lands of the Jogos Nhai prophesied where they would find shelter: in a distant lagoon behind a wall of pine-clad hills and sea stones, where the frequent fogs would help to hide the refugees from the eyes of dragonriders passing overhead. And so it proved. These women were priestesses, called moonsingers, and to this day the Temple of the Moonsingers is the greatest in Braavos.​

And secondly;

Though many a deadly swordsman can be found amongst the bravos and water dancers, by tradition the greatest of them all is the First Sword, who commands the personal guard of the Sealord and protects his person at all public events. Once chosen, Sealords serve for life. Inevitably, there are always those who wish to cut that life short to effect some change in policy. Through the centuries, the First Swords have fought many famous duels, taken part in a dozen wars, and saved the lives of scores of Sealords, for good and ill.​
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I note a distinct lack of "Braavos holds democratic elections" in there.

Said "arcane selection process" is also described as "knives coming out".
 
Ironanvil1 said:
I note a distinct lack of "Braavos holds democratic elections" in there.

Said "arcane selection process" is also described as "knives coming out".
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Okay. At this point you are so far past the bounds of "Appeal ruling to GM" that you couldn't find it again with a telescope.

Just hold the elections, ESPECIALLY if you think they'll be that easy. You can phase them out in your new tenure over time, not just declare they don't happen against all GM rulings otherwise.
 
Theravis said:
Okay. At this point you are so far past the bounds of "Appeal ruling to GM" that you couldn't find it again with a telescope.

Just hold the elections, ESPECIALLY if you think they'll be that easy. You can phase them out in your new tenure over time, not just declare they don't happen against all GM rulings otherwise.
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"With a Telescope..."

hehe... give me two years. :V
 
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Ironanvil1 said:
No elections in there. "Selection" yes. Election, no.
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I can't believe this is necessary but here we go:

Etymology

Borrowing from Anglo-Norman eleccioun, from Latin ēlectiōn-, stem of ēlectiō ‎("choice, selection"), from ēligō ‎("I pluck out, I choose").
Noun

election (plural elections)
  1. A process of choosing a leader, members of parliament, councillors or other representatives by popular vote.
    The parliamentary elections will be held in March.
  2. The choice of a leader or representative by popular vote.
    The election of John Smith was due to his broad appeal.
  3. (archaic) Any conscious choice.
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Etymology

From Latin sēlēctiō ‎("the act of choosing out, selection"), from sēlēctus, perfect passive participle of sēligō ‎("choose out, select"), from sē- ‎("apart") + legō ‎("gather, select").
Noun

selection (plural selections)
  1. The process or act of selecting.
    The large number of good candidates made selection difficult.
 
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Velasco said:
I can't believe this is necessary but here we go:

Etymology

Borrowing from Anglo-Norman eleccioun, from Latin ēlectiōn-, stem of ēlectiō ‎("choice, selection"), from ēligō ‎("I pluck out, I choose").
Noun

election (plural elections)
  1. A process of choosing a leader, members of parliament, councillors or other representatives by popular vote.
    The parliamentary elections will be held in March.
  2. The choice of a leader or representative by popular vote.
    The election of John Smith was due to his broad appeal.
  3. (archaic) Any conscious choice.
Also



Etymology

From Latin sēlēctiō ‎("the act of choosing out, selection"), from sēlēctus, perfect passive participle of sēligō ‎("choose out, select"), from sē- ‎("apart") + legō ‎("gather, select").
Noun

selection (plural selections)
  1. The process or act of selecting.
    The large number of good candidates made selection difficult.
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Congratulations, you have demonstrated they are different. Thank you for your support.
 
So... if anyone wants to rp, just give a shout or something. I am bound to have someone near, except the Summer Islands, that's where Aethan lives.
 
EliudFS1 said:
Sure, Gatwick is a Dayne of some sort?

I apologize for Lord Stark's confusion. Every lord Stark since Cregan has trouble remembering Southern names and ranks.
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He is the heir of Dorne, a Small Councillor and the sworn sword of King Orys.

His wife committed suicide a few years ago so he is also a single dad :cry:
 
Velasco said:
He is the heir of Dorne, a Small Councillor and the sworn sword of King Orys.

His wife committed suicide a few years ago so he is also a single dad :cry:
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Oh...

Well, William has no idea about that, so if he says something offensive by mistake, it will be hilarious, hilarious for me that is. He'll be horrified once the hammer drops.
 
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