A Green Sun Illuminates the Void (ZnT/Exalted)
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The mouse is not a skilled martial artist, and it is not a member of a secret society which holds influence over the major powers in Tristain, Galia, Romalia, and it is not secretly behind the Reconquista movement as a way of adding Albion to its conspiracy, and it does not not know the recipe for the tastiest damn ice cream in the whole world, and it certainly does not wear a White Veil when no-one is looking.Jonen C said:
Also, it is not looking for the Shining Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.
I'm glad we have this clear.
Here's a better one. Prince and/or Wardes gets an offer at the moment of death. . .randombugger said:
So, Louise is conflating Wardes with The Unconquered Sun and making him into some sort of pedo Kamina in her memory? This has unfortunate implications for the future, I think.
And when Mon-Mon suggested that Louise go to a nunnery, did she mean it in the Elizabethan sense? The insult has a very different context that way.
And when Mon-Mon suggested that Louise go to a nunnery, did she mean it in the Elizabethan sense? The insult has a very different context that way.
Would a nice, well bred young girl like Montmorency know something like that?hyzmarca said:
Actually, both Malfeas and the Unconquered Sun. Louise has an Intimacy of "Adoring Respect (Tending Towards Schoolgirl Crush)" towards Malfeas thanks to the GSPisation process, and Merela had one of "Love" towards the Sun. When the two get stuck together in one head, and clash into the "Affection" she has towards Wardes...randombugger said:
... well.
Aaron Peori
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Well, I guess that depends on how high her Dexterity is and how much "virtual XP" he is assigning to her as the story progress.Darth_Shinji said:....I'm sorry, are you joking?
This entire chapter spells out the fact that she is no where near the power level she could/is going to be at later....So for some weird reason you think its some sort of expectation setter? That this fight somehow reflects future combat performance?
Prob in for a surprise or two then.
I mean, she could potentially go from Martial Arts 2 to 5 in the middle of the fight if she really had the XP to spare (gotta love "Instant" training times) but it would still take her 9xp to do so.
10xp is how much your average Exalt learns in a year by the way.
Now, being a PC Louise earns XP faster, but I guess its up to Earthscorpion how much he wants to ramp up her power curve.
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Aaron Peori
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Indeed.Sol Zagato said:
I'm just pointing that out so people have a reasonable baseline.
Your average Exalt, working at the normal pace for Exalts, can expect to accumulate 10xp per year. Which means basically one Charm per year for Louise at normal (for an Exalt) progression.
"On screen" can speed this up considerably but I guess its up to the author how much he wants to do so. In my games I usually award 6-8xp per session but each session usually has several months of downtime between major events so it works out to the fact that the PCs are advancing at about 3-4 times the rate of your average Exalted.
If Earthscorpion has Louise learning Charms say, once per chapter, and each chapter continues to barely cover a day of world (we're on Chapter 4 and only seven days or so have passed, five of those with Louise in her Chrsalyis) time that will mean that Louise is advancing at 300 times the rate most Exalts progress at.
Which is taking the ridiculous level of Exalted skill development to a whole new level of ludicrous.
Not that this means anything for the story, but if Earthscropion wants to make Louise into that much of a ZOMGprodigy compared to an average Exalt he better establish it soon. Because as it stands, going from what I know of Louise capabilities so far and how fast Exalted characters are expected to advance in capability, she's in for a world of hurt before she starts being anything approaching a threat to anyone important in Halgenkia.
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Revlid
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Grah, how did I miss an update!
A nice big one, too.
Colbert is delightfully pitiable. So unappreciated!
Louise's dreamstate is like watching a three-way pileup in slow motion, where one of the cars is a gold-plated stretch limo, another is a brass monster-truck, and the third is a light-pink mini with no insurance.
I was wondering why Louise couldn't block the second run of the spear, when I realised it was an unexpected attack. MECHANICS!
On that note, Dynamic Comboing is a good choice.
I'm wondering if Louise spontaneously learned Retribution Will Follow (she has the prereqs!) or just snapped under all the stress; she is something of a firebrand, after all.
I find Lady ProbablynotaSidereal highly amusing. Excellent framing of the infodump, there. Marsilon's continued obliviousness to the fact that she's not in Kansas anymore is understandable. I wonder how long it is before she remembers the tales of lost Zen-Mu and shattered Cajerrón.
I cannot wait to see Wardes get a good dose of Green Sun Wasting.
Of course, now that Louise has beaten the crap out of Montmorency, she will undoubtedly become her bosom-buddy and top subordinate!
...What? That's how it works in shounen.
Oh, Siesta. Your continued plotting is unwise. Don't you know that it is your duty as un chose de vie to serve the rightful rulers of the world, or (in their stead) their chosen champions? Ah. You are young and naive. You'll learn.
A nice big one, too.
Colbert is delightfully pitiable. So unappreciated!
Louise's dreamstate is like watching a three-way pileup in slow motion, where one of the cars is a gold-plated stretch limo, another is a brass monster-truck, and the third is a light-pink mini with no insurance.
I was wondering why Louise couldn't block the second run of the spear, when I realised it was an unexpected attack. MECHANICS!
On that note, Dynamic Comboing is a good choice.
I'm wondering if Louise spontaneously learned Retribution Will Follow (she has the prereqs!) or just snapped under all the stress; she is something of a firebrand, after all.
I find Lady ProbablynotaSidereal highly amusing. Excellent framing of the infodump, there. Marsilon's continued obliviousness to the fact that she's not in Kansas anymore is understandable. I wonder how long it is before she remembers the tales of lost Zen-Mu and shattered Cajerrón.
I cannot wait to see Wardes get a good dose of Green Sun Wasting.
Of course, now that Louise has beaten the crap out of Montmorency, she will undoubtedly become her bosom-buddy and top subordinate!
...What? That's how it works in shounen.
Oh, Siesta. Your continued plotting is unwise. Don't you know that it is your duty as un chose de vie to serve the rightful rulers of the world, or (in their stead) their chosen champions? Ah. You are young and naive. You'll learn.
Revlid
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That table is (quite apart from being absurdly slow) tooled toward calculating xp gain in extended downtime and deciding how much xp one might start off with in an Elder game. It has little-to-no relevance on how much xp one should or will gain in actual play.Aaron Peori said:
If we imagine each Chapter/Episode is a single Session (as suggested in the Corebook), then Louise has gained at least 10xp since Exalting by the end of this Chapter/Episode, more if the ST is feeling generous or she Stunts particularly well. And given that Stunting is the way things are described, I'd say the quality of writing here merits an additional xp per session, so that's at least 12xp, without ST generosity.
Yes, this means that Exalted who have the spotlight placed upon them for extended periods tend to advance much quicker than those who lounge about in downtime. This shouldn't really be surprising.
(it's also why it is highly recommended in the ST Chapter that your players record their current xp level, so that you can tailor foes and contemporary Exalted NPCs accordingly).
Chloe Sullivan
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It's always the details that get ya.Valiran said:
The best kind of pile-up, I think we can all agree.Revlid said:
The former. Technically speaking, her entire life probably counts as training time for that one specific Charm (and, more generally, it's not a very useful Charm in most cases, so I don't mind bending the rules on it).
Yeah. She may probably not be a Sidereal, but she has the Coadjustor jumping like... something which is very jumpy... and, really, isn't that all that really matters?
Hmm. Should I raise the possibilities that someone who is, canonically, really rather good with Alchemy, raises as soon as Louise gets Demon of the First Circle and can call for a metody?
Everyone always forgets about the Red Moon of Malfeas, who's one of Kimbery's Third Circles. Possibly because Ligier is just so much more stylish as a Third Circle astronomical body.drakensis said:
Yes, basically. I mean, I, and other people who run in my area, tend to give about 10XP per session, because it means that people actually end up buying things that aren't Charms or Essence.Revlid said:
... of course, in my case, Alchemicals have nastily long training times for Skills, so my players tend to just buy more Charms and more Attributes, rather than wait the ages that their skills take to buy up. Damn you, Sixth Excellency.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Isn't far out of line, Retribution Will Follow functions by putting you in a Berserk Rage (As per the Solar Limit Break in the core book) as a response to taking damage. It's quite cathartic actually, and lets you ignore any and all damage (As well as mental influence from anyone who isn't stronger then you) Considering it's one of the Only effects in the setting that can reduce Limit (If you go and kill someone with it anyway), that should give you an idea of just how furious it makes you.AzureGrimoire said:
With that said, it'd be interesting to see the consequences of this--Louise Did exhibit some undeniably magic traits during this skirmish (Green fire, the bits of silver sand, and her superhuman strength). Even if it's not the traditional routine.
Looking forward to the next chapter!
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Probably would have gained her 9 to 12 experience. It probably would have counted as an Abomination (type of Mutation) tied in with a specific uberbeing (Such as Alchemical Demiurge). Enough to learn a Charm, or upgrade some fighting skills, but nothing really major.
More importantly, why are we talking about Experience Points in a story?
More importantly, why are we talking about Experience Points in a story?
RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
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Because this is a crossover with a game, obviously, and games have rules!
I htink it's largerly becauuse so many of the Exalted rules (Essence level, charms, motes, health levels, Willpower, Ability and Attribute levels) are explicitly known in character rather than just being out of character mechanics, and it's quite possible that XP are also known to some degree within the setting, bizarre as it seems, as their are charms which interact with it.Alectai said:
On the other hand, it was what got her into the duel in the first place.ranmatoushin said:
I should note, explicitly, that it only judges on the user's personal beliefs. If you are simply wrong, or believe what you're saying is true, then it returns that, yes, it is the complete truth.ranmatoushin said:
It's when she gets the Essence 3 following Charm, Analytic Modelling Intuition, that she starts being able to go "I'm sorry, you didn't tell me the whole truth. So I'm going to rip the knowledge from your naked, quivering brain."
Revlid
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That's good for privacy, but as a Fiend socializing in Yu-Shan, I have to say that I prefer the more open approach - namely, The Demented One's two Charms, Conceptual Context Expansion (activate to force someone to elaborate on a statement, truthful or otherwise) and Error-Detecting Mode (upgrade, forcing someone who lied to explain their lie).EarthScorpion said:
Aaron Peori
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It's less that and more that no Exaltation will choose a person unless that person would use their newfound power. It doesn't care what you'd use it for.Jo Joestar said:
But if you're the kind of person who would really, truly rather live a quiet uneventful life then Exaltation will never come to you. However, if you're the kind of person who is content with living a quiet uneventful life and wouldn't choose to upset the applecart at all, but when thrust into greatness you will change the world... well, than you'll Exalt just fine.
Heck, one of the canon Solars was a guy who just wanted to walk into the wilderness and die without burdening his tribe. He never had a lick of ambition before his Exaltation. Nowadays they call him Bull of the North and he's the biggest thing to hit the North since the Balorian Crusade.
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And quite strangely his cannon writeup contains no perfect defenses, so your average wyld hunt would make mincemeat of him if they could just get through the huge army and the demons summoned by his Twilight.Aaron Peori said:
Go figure.
FourthWall
Love & Destroy
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That's because the writers barely understand their own system. Granted, actually understanding the system sort of shoots a lot of the fluff in the face, but what can you do?Rathmun said:
Aaron Peori
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His canon write up doesn't even include combos. The canon write-ups of all Exalts suck. Seriously, they are useless.Rathmun said:
Nor does it include There is No Wind and Accuracy Without Distance, both of which he used in canon (to utterly murder a Sidereal Exalt from several miles away and thus cause the Bronze Faction to bug the fuck out and leave the Tepet Legions to his tender mercies).
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Tear out the system and replace it. (As I'm doing, I'm using roll-keep as a basis for a new hybrid system.)FourthWall said: