A Frozen Light [Ranma 1/2 / Destiny]
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Gekkou_Yoko
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Well, it could also be Karin Uzumaki, Stella Vermilion, Kallen Stadfeld, Tiese Shtolienen, it could also be Nyu, or Maki Nishikino, or even a genderbent Kenshin Himura! Maybe it's Nagisa Misumi?
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Admittedly it's not like there is a lack of redheads in anime, Ryoko Mitsurugi from Real Bout High School is another redhead and red hair does appear naturally in Japan as well as Korea and Mongolia even if it is rare so it's possible to be someone unrelated.
It's just with a Ramna crossover you are conditioned to expect it is someone related to Ramna somehow given Ramna's female form and his mother hair color.
It's just with a Ramna crossover you are conditioned to expect it is someone related to Ramna somehow given Ramna's female form and his mother hair color.
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Almech_Alfarion
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Yeah, when the only Known pools of crossover characters are between Ranma and Destiny, your options are somewhat limited for speculation. As soon as you open speculation up to Unknown Potential crossovers, you might as well throw out Christopher Columbus*, the Queen of England, Sinbad*, or Jim from Accounting* as possibilities for all the likelihood they could be. There's just no point, since there is no frame of reference to base any such speculation off of.
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And for anyone who wants to get up in arms over all of these being male when "N" is clearly female, I have one word for you: Nasuverse.
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Where is that? I haven't been able to find it. Maybe I missed it, but are you sure you didn't misattribute a description of Ranma to the Young Wolf?
Clyde said in an earlier chapter that young wolf was a redhead
As you say, but you didn't answer my question. Where?
Edit: searching through again, i think I might have found where it is you were referring to. A part where Cayde says that Ranma is "the second redhead in as many years to not follow convention," but that segment didn't actually mention the Young Wolf specifically. I suppose it's possible, and even probable that the Young Wolf is who he was referring to there, but I don't think that's an assumption that we can make definitively just based on that.
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Almech_Alfarion
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Yeah, just found the quote, and it's almost immediately followed by Ikora having no idea who Cayde is talking about because:
Well, PROBABLY a Red Head, and a Psychiatric Consultant, with a name PROBABLY ENDING in an N. Or BEGINING in it if they only did initials. Well, if the last, Nodoka's a maybe, sibling or clone, maybe as well. If we take out the Red Headed clue, I would be willing to put money on Nabiki personally. Still, a fine chapter and a fine fic overall. You just had to do this to us. And my hat's off to you for doing so. Now, now I think I'll read some more of your fics again. And might I say, update some of your older fics if possible, and maybe even a certain fic with a protagonist with some very fluffy tails? Please?
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She explicitly mentions selling info for glimmer. It's Nabiki. IIRC, appearance is variable for Guardians - the character creation screen is effectively you as your Ghost deciding what your body should look like. It's not actually using your body 1:1, because many of the Guardians were long dead - dust and ashes - and so their bodies were entirely made by the Ghosts. That said, there are plenty that had a sufficiently-intact body - Crow for example - and just came back like that. Either way, I strongly suspect it's Nabiki.
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I agree that it's probably Nabiki. Nodoka doesn't seem to me to be the type to be a Psych Counselor. Then again, due to Japanese attitudes towards Therapy, no one in Japan sounds like the type to be a Psych Counselor.
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I think N is actually Atsuko Natsume, also known as Nuku Nuku ("snuggly-wuggly").
She used to have a fluffy tail, which is surely enough reason for our wonderful author to put her in, well, any story, including perhaps this one.
Her magenta hair might've turned red when she was made into Guardian.
Her becoming a Psychiatric Consultant seems a bit odd, but perhaps someone she loved was emotionally traumatized, and she felt a calling to gain the skills to (try to) solve the problem.
She used to have a fluffy tail, which is surely enough reason for our wonderful author to put her in, well, any story, including perhaps this one.
Her magenta hair might've turned red when she was made into Guardian.
Her becoming a Psychiatric Consultant seems a bit odd, but perhaps someone she loved was emotionally traumatized, and she felt a calling to gain the skills to (try to) solve the problem.
Garm352
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While the speculation on the Young Wolf is interesting, I'd like to address how smoothly this has unfolded into an almost typical campaign opening for a Destiny expansion. It's very reminiscent of the Warmind expansion in terms of 'person with high level access who wants to know what happened' and 'Clovis Bray AI with some of those answers being targeted by an enemy of the City' and so on.
The moral and personal implications of Ranma issuing the bounties and the pressure to change and adapt to the way the world works now is also a very nice personal conflict for the story's protagonist. It also sets up very cool potential for future arcs, what with Ranma wondering, specifically, why no other cities exist on Earth being a point that has come up in dialogue.
I can see this leading to a new settlement forming around KLT and a push to retake Tokyo, which has massive implications for the events that haven't happened yet, like the Red Legion. The fact that Ranma has executive power over the AI might even get New Monarchy trying to lobby with her simply because her being in a position of singular leadership over this potential settlement could fit their ideals.
Additionally, we have the potential of Ranma teaching people stuff - maybe no one will reach her level, but it opens up essentially entirely new options for the existing subclasses. And once she's taught one person enough they can teach others. Again, no one quite reaching her level, but the growth in threat level of the guardians and the mindset of 'dying is a loss' could greatly change the casualties numbers during the cabal invasion. More guardians survive, more guardians teach, new lights get new tricks, and as Ranma is Ranma, more and more new stuff keeps getting figured out and pulled out and passed on. The rate of growth for Guardians will begin to pick up speed as a result.
It's like a snowball rolling down a hill. Once it starts going it'll grow and grow and grow.
All this might have been discussed to death earlier in the thread, but I was hoping to open discussion perhaps.
The moral and personal implications of Ranma issuing the bounties and the pressure to change and adapt to the way the world works now is also a very nice personal conflict for the story's protagonist. It also sets up very cool potential for future arcs, what with Ranma wondering, specifically, why no other cities exist on Earth being a point that has come up in dialogue.
I can see this leading to a new settlement forming around KLT and a push to retake Tokyo, which has massive implications for the events that haven't happened yet, like the Red Legion. The fact that Ranma has executive power over the AI might even get New Monarchy trying to lobby with her simply because her being in a position of singular leadership over this potential settlement could fit their ideals.
Additionally, we have the potential of Ranma teaching people stuff - maybe no one will reach her level, but it opens up essentially entirely new options for the existing subclasses. And once she's taught one person enough they can teach others. Again, no one quite reaching her level, but the growth in threat level of the guardians and the mindset of 'dying is a loss' could greatly change the casualties numbers during the cabal invasion. More guardians survive, more guardians teach, new lights get new tricks, and as Ranma is Ranma, more and more new stuff keeps getting figured out and pulled out and passed on. The rate of growth for Guardians will begin to pick up speed as a result.
It's like a snowball rolling down a hill. Once it starts going it'll grow and grow and grow.
All this might have been discussed to death earlier in the thread, but I was hoping to open discussion perhaps.
Almech_Alfarion
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It is an interesting thought. Especially when you consider that a certain level of attrition among Guardians is expected. I'm unfamiliar with any new lore that may have come out to the contrary, but when I was familiar with Destiny lore, it was generally believed that there are no new ghosts since they were first released by the Traveler during The Collapse.
Yet, there are still new Guardians being revived millennia later, some of whom are from people who most certainly weren't originally born before, or even for centuries after The Collapse. Further still, while certain disasters have certainly thinned their numbers at times, this inflow of new lights seems to be enough for them to recover their numbers after driving off whatever crisis, but never enough to make the Guardians an overwhelming force of numbers.
Instilling extreme trained competence in fighting skill coupled with a shift in mindset to "Death is To Die" rather than a temporary inconvenience, would certainly cause more long term shifts in the power dynamics of Guardian and Last City culture as well
Yet, there are still new Guardians being revived millennia later, some of whom are from people who most certainly weren't originally born before, or even for centuries after The Collapse. Further still, while certain disasters have certainly thinned their numbers at times, this inflow of new lights seems to be enough for them to recover their numbers after driving off whatever crisis, but never enough to make the Guardians an overwhelming force of numbers.
Instilling extreme trained competence in fighting skill coupled with a shift in mindset to "Death is To Die" rather than a temporary inconvenience, would certainly cause more long term shifts in the power dynamics of Guardian and Last City culture as well
Garm352
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It really comes down to how this conflict over Tokyo plays out, I think, and - setting aside that as the protagonist, permanent death for Ranma is unlikely - how long it takes for the enemies of the City to realize how great a threat Ranma is.
Ranma is capable of some big hits, for one thing, but this runs the risk of Ranma becoming a singular point of failure as well; people putting too much trust in Ranma to handle something to the point of not preparing backup or other options and then Ranma failing to complete the objective, putting other things that hinged on it at risk.
Even setting aside Guardians getting stronger because of Ranma passing on skill, there's two things I think are truly invaluable that her existing alone could invoke.
1) Creativity. Ranma pulling a Blizzard out of Arc Light is going to widen the scope of what most Guardians think is possible. We might see Arc Light accompanied by high winds, or water manifestations, or more people using blizzards.
Void manifestations being explored more akin to what Nightstalkers do - more weapon manifestations, exploring the stealth applications of void, or other things I can't imagine off the top of my head.
And Solar? Given the Hiryu Shoten Ha demonstration we might see plasma manifestations. Or, given Shaxx demonstrating it is in fact possible in this universe to wield multiple kinds of Light at the same time, people wielding Blizzard Arc Light alongside Solar to generate plasma, potentially creating entire new disciplines of the Light by introducing the idea of deliberately mixing them.
And if a few deaths happen in the process, well, Ghosts are around for a reason.
2) and arguably more importantly, it has been repeatedly mentioned that Ghosts provide healing that restores stamina. That prevents tiring. It's been highlighted several times even.
The duel with Shaxx illustrated this very clearly as both combatants were worn out by the time of the final blow.
Guardians have been reminded they can face exhaustion in combat - maybe some are more diligent about it, but I can see most not really thinking about what would happen if they lost their Ghost. They wouldn't ever want to contemplate that.
So if and when the Cabal attack and the Traveler is caged…a lot more guardians are going to be going into combat aware of the fact that they are no longer untiring in addition to no longer immortal.
They might even be more prepared for it, having decided to train fighting under those conditions. Hell, I can see Shaxx revamping Crucible matches to have limitations like that more regularly due to his duel with Ranma and how his exhaustion was specifically called out by Ikora and Cayde iirc as unusual and something they'd never personally witnessed before.
Ranma is capable of some big hits, for one thing, but this runs the risk of Ranma becoming a singular point of failure as well; people putting too much trust in Ranma to handle something to the point of not preparing backup or other options and then Ranma failing to complete the objective, putting other things that hinged on it at risk.
Even setting aside Guardians getting stronger because of Ranma passing on skill, there's two things I think are truly invaluable that her existing alone could invoke.
1) Creativity. Ranma pulling a Blizzard out of Arc Light is going to widen the scope of what most Guardians think is possible. We might see Arc Light accompanied by high winds, or water manifestations, or more people using blizzards.
Void manifestations being explored more akin to what Nightstalkers do - more weapon manifestations, exploring the stealth applications of void, or other things I can't imagine off the top of my head.
And Solar? Given the Hiryu Shoten Ha demonstration we might see plasma manifestations. Or, given Shaxx demonstrating it is in fact possible in this universe to wield multiple kinds of Light at the same time, people wielding Blizzard Arc Light alongside Solar to generate plasma, potentially creating entire new disciplines of the Light by introducing the idea of deliberately mixing them.
And if a few deaths happen in the process, well, Ghosts are around for a reason.
2) and arguably more importantly, it has been repeatedly mentioned that Ghosts provide healing that restores stamina. That prevents tiring. It's been highlighted several times even.
The duel with Shaxx illustrated this very clearly as both combatants were worn out by the time of the final blow.
Guardians have been reminded they can face exhaustion in combat - maybe some are more diligent about it, but I can see most not really thinking about what would happen if they lost their Ghost. They wouldn't ever want to contemplate that.
So if and when the Cabal attack and the Traveler is caged…a lot more guardians are going to be going into combat aware of the fact that they are no longer untiring in addition to no longer immortal.
They might even be more prepared for it, having decided to train fighting under those conditions. Hell, I can see Shaxx revamping Crucible matches to have limitations like that more regularly due to his duel with Ranma and how his exhaustion was specifically called out by Ikora and Cayde iirc as unusual and something they'd never personally witnessed before.
We've seen how it's quite difficult, at least at first, for Ranma to call upon her KI because the light keeps getting in the way. Ranma has a powerful well of KI to draw on not as good as herb, saffron, or some of the others but top their combined with an excellent skill level. A large pool and experience would make it easier to use with light.
However with no familiarity and a small pool, it would be ni impossible, to build up and then call upon KI rather than light as light seems to supplant KI usual role for a person but it doesn't replace it, it's also not inherently multiplicative or even from the look of it with cologne there additive as she wasn't an exceptional guardian from what is implied. if her KI came back with her resurrection same for Ryoga.
So from that I would guess that unless someone has enough control to not reach or shift their light to the side, metaphorically, to reach their ki Ranma would be better off teaching normal people like the militia.
However with no familiarity and a small pool, it would be ni impossible, to build up and then call upon KI rather than light as light seems to supplant KI usual role for a person but it doesn't replace it, it's also not inherently multiplicative or even from the look of it with cologne there additive as she wasn't an exceptional guardian from what is implied. if her KI came back with her resurrection same for Ryoga.
So from that I would guess that unless someone has enough control to not reach or shift their light to the side, metaphorically, to reach their ki Ranma would be better off teaching normal people like the militia.
Garm352
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That is actually a really good point. I was thinking more along the lines of guardians with better overall technique in close combat and less willingness to fling themselves into certain death, and learning to use the Light in entirely new ways.
But the Forces of the City gaining access to Ki, even if not putting them to the level of Guardians, would be a big positive in the defense of the City. And it could be explored through new lenses. There were old medical techniques and artifacts involving Ki in Ranma iirc - it's been a long time since I read the source material - but the use of Ki could lead to crafting new exotics, for example. It'd take time to spread, certainly, but if there are tangible material benefits to it I could see a lot of people pushing hard to learn it.
Another thing to consider is that it is possible but dangerous to become a guardian without completely dying, how is never stated but it has happened according to the lore, if ranma teaches the militia or even just students in general they, get longer lives and better combat effectiveness as it is implied that guardians are like Jedi or mega-city Judges, never in the numbers needed.
With the militia or a new non-Guardian ki-using faction taught by Ranma, they can then try to become guardians themselves and do just what Ranma now does with both.
With the militia or a new non-Guardian ki-using faction taught by Ranma, they can then try to become guardians themselves and do just what Ranma now does with both.
Presumably you just have to be found by your ghost before you die. Which is technically what happened to Ranma anyway.
I think it would be more of a, enter a half-dead state like Ranma was then have a ghost find you. but being that close to death for that long as id does take a ghost a few seconds to check for compatibility, times however many ghosts are there, the chances of true death are there and the chances go up every time it's done.
And if the guardian hopeful is found by a compatible ghost you get a guardian who remembers. If not, true death, and even if they're found soon by a ghost i would imagine even a day goes by and the amount of memory if any retained goes down fast, look at Ulrick, all tho we don't know if he was shot in the head but I imagine he was might have something to do with it. Bungie never said so the mechanics and how much research has been but into it is up to Grounders10.
it might be something where putting great soldiers and the like on ice is sometimes done for this reason or it so rare that its considered a waste of resources and ghosts just check out the cemeteries for graves that are new sense they were last in the city.
Or would crypts/ catacombs like Paris has be better so a ghost can just fast scan for their partner? If a guardian is resurrected from a grave in the city would that then be an open spot for a new grave or kept in memory to who they were or perhaps situational? 200-year-old grave its up for grabs, 1 year it's kept intact for X years so the family can have a place to pay respects if they wish or some combination.
If a risen still has a living family member how is that handled? The mind boggles.
Well, teaching ki use.
Ranma can teach a lot more than just that, honestly, and while ki could be taught to everyone most people aren't going to reach the levels of Akane or Kodachi, nevermind Ranma's rivals, you know?
As Ranma rather spectacularly demonstrated, she's quite capable of manipulating Light:
Garm352
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I would like to bring up The Man with The Golden Gun on the subject of "is death necessary for a Guardian to rise?"
Shin Malphur was chosen while still alive. He never lost his memories, nor was he implied to have been near death. He's also a case for a Ghost choosing a second person after the first was lost to the original Thorn, if I'm remembering my lore books right. I can crack the thing open if need be and double check, but a Ghost whose Guardian was irrevocably lost to Darkness chose Shin Malphur as his successor essentially.
On the subject of graves, the one known case of someone who died during the course of the story and was then risen as a Guardian does still have the tomb remaining designated as the person from before's the last time it came up; but that is a bit of a complicated case so it's best not to take it as an example, but to just see it as a singular data point.
There is lore involving the Awoken of the first Awoken Guardian to return to the Reef after being risen. There were people around who still knew the person he used to be. He was not the same person at all anymore, and his cavalier attitude towards dying was viewed in a horrific light by the Awoken. It is very much not an occasion the Reef celebrated, and led to at least the beginnings of the attitude the Reef held towards the City for a long time.
In fact, given I've been reminded of that bit of lore, how the Awoken treat Ranma - whether it is the same or different - in comparison to any other Guardian will be very interesting.
Shin Malphur was chosen while still alive. He never lost his memories, nor was he implied to have been near death. He's also a case for a Ghost choosing a second person after the first was lost to the original Thorn, if I'm remembering my lore books right. I can crack the thing open if need be and double check, but a Ghost whose Guardian was irrevocably lost to Darkness chose Shin Malphur as his successor essentially.
On the subject of graves, the one known case of someone who died during the course of the story and was then risen as a Guardian does still have the tomb remaining designated as the person from before's the last time it came up; but that is a bit of a complicated case so it's best not to take it as an example, but to just see it as a singular data point.
There is lore involving the Awoken of the first Awoken Guardian to return to the Reef after being risen. There were people around who still knew the person he used to be. He was not the same person at all anymore, and his cavalier attitude towards dying was viewed in a horrific light by the Awoken. It is very much not an occasion the Reef celebrated, and led to at least the beginnings of the attitude the Reef held towards the City for a long time.
In fact, given I've been reminded of that bit of lore, how the Awoken treat Ranma - whether it is the same or different - in comparison to any other Guardian will be very interesting.
Hmm. would the Awoken retain legends of a "warrior goddess" who was struck down by treachery and her body enshrined by her mortal beloved? Heh, Ranma might have some unkind thoughts regarding that last bit