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A Dragon of the North V: The Stormcrown Knight

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Well, we'd need the stakes anyways. digging ditches and pounding in stakes has always been an essential part of seeing up a war camp. A palisade is optional but generally preferred, the stakes and ditches are required.
 
[X] Go South - Hundreds of horsemen have fallen upon the southern borders of the camp. Right now they are delayed by cavalry stakes, caltrops and what few warrirors are available there, but it might crumble before any reinforcements arrive. You will hold them there with Ser Arthur until such help comes.

I vote for this, purely on the basis of us using animal allegiance against the enemy cavalry horses. Two extraordinary swordsmen, even with Destiny points in the mix, aren't otherwise likely to be much use. And I'm wary of how much 'rallying' Jon can pull off, given that he has no official (or unofficial) command of his own and may well be viewed with jealousy and scorn by a great deal of the rest of the command structure.
 
That would be a rather unhelpful shout right now. We can't take advantage of the confusion with only a couple people. It'd be better to use something enough could cause lethal damage to a good portion of the force and break their charge utterly.
 
I would've suggested Dismay, if not for the fact that it will definitely give us away.
 
I honestly don't care. There's no point in having army breaking shouts if everyone refuses to use the things. Bronze Yohn and Arthas Upcliff's wife are dead, and we could have helped prevent that if we'd been more liberal with our shouts.

I'm getting seriously tired of never using the tools we've been given during a frakking war of extermination.
 
Dark Abstraction said:
I honestly don't care. There's no point in having army breaking shouts if everyone refuses to use the things. Bronze Yohn and Arthas Upcliff's wife are dead, and we could have helped prevent that if we'd been more liberal with our shouts.

I'm getting seriously tired of never using the tools we've been given during a frakking war of extermination.
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Call me a cynic, but it's not exactly our war of extermination, and it doesn't really call for us to use all our resources.

On the other hand, I'm not sure we are overreacting with our assumption that magic is looked down upon in Westeros. Is it really as vilified by the Faith as we assume?
 
Dark Abstraction said:
I honestly don't care. There's no point in having army breaking shouts if everyone refuses to use the things. Bronze Yohn and Arthas Upcliff's wife are dead, and we could have helped prevent that if we'd been more liberal with our shouts.

I'm getting seriously tired of never using the tools we've been given during a frakking war of extermination.
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His mother.
 
Droman said:
His mother.
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Ah, my mistake. That's pretty much just as bad though.

Kornet said:
Call me a cynic, but it's not exactly our war of extermination, and it doesn't really call for us to use all our resources.
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Kind is, since the Vale forces are trying to put a permanent end tip the mountain clans just as much as Ungren if trying to put an end to them. And we have been living in the Vale and connecting with the nobles here for awhile, so seeing them die when we could have done something grates on me. Losing Ser Brynden was bad enough, but now we've lost Yohn and Andar, who had been some of our closest connections in the Vale.
 
Well I am kinda butting in but since I've read the entire thing since SB, I think I have at least the right to talk my mind about the things that are going on in this quest.

It's fucked up. The situation the army is in right now is very delicate. I may not be a medieval commander but I have enough knowledge to see that enemy is pushing the Vale into a very serious situation. This cannot be allowed go on or Robert himself will have to come like Thor's hammer so that this shit can be finished. And considering Brynden, Royce and the others who died, consequences of this campaign are going to be heavy. Even this war is won, I wouldn't exactly consider it a victory.

Ignoring even that, Jon himself is in grave danger. He already brushed past death a couple times and if he continues to hold back, he is going to die. I don't know whether Reverse Time(Slen-Tiid-Vo) works on oneself so that he can repair his body if he is about do die.(It actually reverses the time on the body. So theoretically it can make an old man young, make an old dragon young and reverse the time enough that ''dead dragon'' becomes ''not-so-dead dragon'', the inflicted wounds nothing. It's not healing, it's reversing time so that ''whatever that is happened did not happen'' I remember a legend from Elder Scrolls about all Nords turning into kids because of Alduin's shout and Wulfharth reversing it with his new shout. I think the shout Alduin used was this shout.)

At this point it is not a question of how to keep the shouts hidden. With so few people around Jon, he cannot conceal his shouts and thus the question is, whether to reveal the Thu'um or not. That said, some idiots may also try to kill us(from our side) because we are using (kind-of) magic. But I really don't know. I think at this point people should focus on not winning the war but Jon's and maybe a few others' survival who can be useful to Jon in the future. Or you can simply reveal the Thu'um, shout the bastards into oblivion, risking making some people your enemy. Oh, not to be misunderstood, I am not saying that Jon should reveal his Thu'um. I think Jon should back down a little and focus on getting out of this alive.

I've been reading this quest for quite some time. It's a very good one. Though considering I've been around SB/V for only a few months and mostly read instead of contributing in any way, I am a newbie and I have a lot to see and learn. Anyways, I couldn't sit and only read anymore, I wanted to express my opinions and share whatever knowledge I have that may or may not be useful.
 
I don't know guys, going south seems like it's the charge option from earlier, you know the one Droman said we only survived thanks to the high roll? Kind of don't trust our luck right now. So, I've gotta go with

[x] Go Northwest - Lord Belmore holds the western edge of the encampment and with it a strong number of men. Rally them and head south to face the enemy horse.

Getting the reinforcements there as quickly as possible, seem like the better tactic. Jon isn't an one man army capable of holding off hundreds at a time, yet. This isn't a video game you know. :tongue:
 
bzzt3421 said:
I don't know guys, going south seems like it's the charge option from earlier, you know the one Droman said we only survived thanks to the high roll? Kind of don't trust our luck right now. So, I've gotta go with

[x] Go Northwest - Lord Belmore holds the western edge of the encampment and with it a strong number of men. Rally them and head south to face the enemy horse.

Getting the reinforcements there as quickly as possible, seem like the better tactic. Jon isn't an one man army capable of holding off hundreds at a time, yet. This isn't a video game you know. :tongue:
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There are already people fighting in the south and more people in a similar situation to Jon will probably be going to reinforce them in small groups. If Jon and Arthur can rally them (or at least us some thu'um to make things easier for them) then we can hold out until a larger group of reinforcements arrive. Also, we have the caltrops and stakes there. If stakes act similar to pikes they may reduce enemy cavalry damage to a quarter of what it is normally and the caltrops are already killing some of their cavalry.
 
Angelicon said:
I've been reading this quest for quite some time. It's a very good one. Though considering I've been around SB/V for only a few months and mostly read instead of contributing in any way, I am a newbie and I have a lot to see and learn. Anyways, I couldn't sit and only read anymore, I wanted to express my opinions and share whatever knowledge I have that may or may not be useful.
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From the sounds of it you have been around more than long enough. You've read the material and write considered posts.
Post all you want.
 
[X] Go South - Hundreds of horsemen have fallen upon the southern borders of the camp. Right now they are delayed by cavalry stakes, caltrops and what few warrirors are available there, but it might crumble before any reinforcements arrive. You will hold them there with Ser Arthur until such help comes.
 
Going south right now sounds like an incredibly high risk action for no real tangible reward. The men there are probably disorganized right now and Ungren might try to break through this way. If his band hits the defenders in the back while they're facing the cavalry, I'm thinking only a natural 100 is going to keep Jon alive.

Granted, the risk of Ungren getting away is really galling, but Jon's life is worth way more and Ungren won't have men to try anything this serious again. Eagles also can't see well in the dark, so Ungren won't be having a bird's eye view on the entire battle.

And on the topic of shouts, do we really want to pull them out in some small fight that is essentially part of the tutorial for army battles? The Maesters have been shown in books to have some really nasty agenda in mind against magic, and if I remember correctly, there were some implications they had a hand in ending the dragons? Not to mention every lord has one. Sure, there's no way everyone is "in" on the conspiracy, but this just seems to effectively discourage us from ever going South and being paranoid over every Maester.

[x] Go Northwest - Lord Belmore holds the western edge of the encampment and with it a strong number of men. Rally them and head south to face the enemy horse.


@Droman: Which way does the Castle have exits to? How far is it to the coast from the castle?
 
[X] Go South - Hundreds of horsemen have fallen upon the southern borders of the camp. Right now they are delayed by cavalry stakes, caltrops and what few warrirors are available there, but it might crumble before any reinforcements arrive. You will hold them there with Ser Arthur until such help comes.
 
[x] Go Northwest - Lord Belmore holds the western edge of the encampment and with it a strong number of men. Rally them and head south to face the enemy horse.
 
This was why I said an immediate attack would have been the smarter idea. We have given an clearly superior commander, with magic support, time to plan and scheme without achieving anything other than wasting time. Our tactical situation is more less or the worst imaginable and if we lose this battle the Vale is truly fucked, which is problematic with us being there.


[X] Go Northwest - Lord Belmore holds the western edge of the encampment and with it a strong number of men. Rally them and head south to face the enemy horse.

If we want to accomplish anything to prevent this catastrophe we need good men. It also seems like the safest choice and the one with the highest possibility of escaping the battle alive if it truly goes as bad as I expect. And considering how this campaign developed I believe that surviving and remaining free should be our number one priority.



Going south seems incredible risky, we would probably be forced to use shouts to accomplish anything there and even then the possibility is extremely high that we will get killed. In a battle of two men against hundreds numbers will always win no matter how good we are. We would either have to spend insane amounts of Destiny points or simply hope for the best rolls possible and this is something I am unwilling to do when our life is on the line.

Like I said earlier, I don´t really care if the Vale will lose the battle/campaign other than some personal dislike against Ungren and pride. But both both these things are not nearly important enough to a)risk our life in a suicidal attack b)reveal our biggest trump which will could result in massive negative repercussions, limit our freedom and would give any possible enemy time to prepare for them/try to assassinate. The Vale is simply not worth it,especially considering that our possible allies are mostly dead or massively weakened. Lets simply survive, rescue as many people as possible and let the King deal with the clusterfuck, it may even make him happy to be in battle again.
 
[x] Go Southeast - The eastern edge of the camps was where Ser Uther Upcliff had camped, joined by survivors of Tyr's Cliff and other rag-tag groups, it is the weakest front. Head there to keep it from collapse.
 
[X] Go Northwest - Lord Belmore holds the western edge of the encampment and with it a strong number of men. Rally them and head south to face the enemy horse.

I agree with the other ones. Going straight to the South will most likely require Jon to use shouts just to stay alive. And low-level Slow Time won't be enough to stay alive when outnumbered that much. At this point, Jon should focus on staying alive instead of winning this battle. Robby can come and deal with the bad mountain clans. Even if the south part falls, we will stop them before they will be able to do any significant damage. And the numbers around us will give us the opportunity to conceal our shouts, I think.
 
Yeah, going directly south seems way too risky. We need people to bolster them.


[X] Go Northwest - Lord Belmore holds the western edge of the encampment and with it a strong number of men. Rally them and head south to face the enemy horse.
 
[X] Go Northwest - Lord Belmore holds the western edge of the encampment and with it a strong number of men. Rally them and head south to face the enemy horse.
 
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