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A cyborg in the Wasteland [Fallout] [Self-insert]

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AzrielIlluminare said:
Socialism and Capitalism aren't necessarily opposed. You can have a Socialist Society where everyone's basic needs are met (food, water, shelter, and healthcare) but it can also be Capitalist in that more luxurious items can be worked for and purchased. Want a bigger fancier house? Find a job, earn currency and purchase one. Want something fancier than the government supplied food? Buy it.

Plus, a market for arts, crafts and handmade items would likely form. As an example, in Star Trek, a person can go up to a replicator and order an alcoholic beverage, but Picard's family still run a vineyard because there's still a want for alcohol made in the old ways. Home cooked meals are still a thing, restaurants still exist, etc.

That's something Lily needs to realize, her old Anarcho-Capitalist station worked because of the technology involved, everyone was a Post-Human Cyborg or a full-on Uploaded Mind with access to the knowledge and technology to be fully self-independent. Something not true of Fallout, given it does have the technology but it's so rare and hidden basically no one knows it even exists, and even then, they wouldn't understand it. And most Wastelanders are too busy trying to survive to sit down and study Pre-War technology to try and build a 'better' society.
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Eh, sorta but not really. Socialism vs. Capitalism is defined based on who controls the means of production rather than discreet policies. A state with a robust social safety net, as Megaton seems to be turning in to, will still be capitalist and subject to the inherent contradictions of capitalism so long as the capitalist class is still the owning class.

I agree with you that Lily's ancapistan was only possible due to tech advances, though. We've seen what happens every time lolbertarians try to make their perfect society, and it never ends well. Either it turns out to be a con or they get overrun by bears.
 
spiritualatheist said:
Wow, it's almost like socialism is better for society than capitalism or something, lol.
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It just requires fictional technology to create post scarcity first and doesn't work with humans in real life. Also an actual benevolent dictatorship another fictional thing.

She also doesn't mind people creating their own businesses and capitalist trade more things you won't find in socialism and only a facade of which exist under the CCP.
 
HebrideanStarfis said:
As funny as sending Gary to Gary Indiana might be, maybe she'll end up pointing him at Toronto. Close enough to the great lakes to be useful, and plenty of adventure if it's known far enough south by the Pitt.
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It's actually theorized that the Gunners are headquartered in 'Ronto'. But the only canonical mention is in The Pitt DLC during Ashur's speech to the slaves or 'workers' as he calls them is that due to their sacrifices The Pitt would become:

"Our industry is the envy of the Commonwealth! Our safety is the envy of the Capital Wastes! Our might is the envy of Ronto!"

In The Pitt a slave named Brand also asks the Lone Wanderer:

"You're new, aren't you? Are you here from the Erie Stretch? The Capital Wasteland? Ronto? Where's home?"

So Ronto is known for its 'might' and of course the Erie Stretch is presumably close-ish to the city.
 
The USSR faced a simple problem in its time. For communism to work, a communist man is needed. Evolution creates organisms that work well enough. The average person fully confirms this by doing enough to live and nothing more. For many people from the metropolitan wasteland, housing, medicine, clean water, and free food are very cool - luxury. Soon the city of Lily will be full of people who will only mess around. Some time will pass and people will start demanding that something else be free like alcohol or a brothel :) The funny thing is that Lily is quite capable of creating a type of treatment to change ordinary people into communists. Editing the hormonal background to enjoy your achievements and increase the desire to develop. An increase in mental capacity so as not to engage in useless nonsense. And increased empathy. It will turn out a communist man from Soviet fiction.
 
Drasizard said:
It just requires fictional technology to create post scarcity first and doesn't work with humans in real life. Also an actual benevolent dictatorship another fictional thing.

She also doesn't mind people creating their own businesses and capitalist trade more things you won't find in socialism and only a facade of which exist under the CCP.
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A) we produce enough today to provide for everyone on the planet, scarcity is artificially produced by capitalism
B) "Socialism doesn't work with real people" is both trite and woefully wrong, lmao

And yeah, the society is still capitalist, unfortunately.
 
SpiraSpira said:
Sticking her head into the room with the sleeping patient, one of the Spider Company that was wounded in the pacification action against the Library of Congress.
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Wow. Checking out books is a lot more intense in the Capital Wasteland.

SpiraSpira said:
It would be illegal to be homeless because she would furnish you with a small temporary home.
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A very logical solution. Problem: No home. Solution: home. Although I'm a bit worried that Lily considers mental illness a self correcting problem, but it's a very Lily take on a thing she doesn't really want to deal with outside of a cure.

SpiraSpira said:
It was just... why was it that every time she did something with the government, things were getting closer and closer to socialism? She didn't understand it, but free food, health care and potentially free housing was almost definitionally socialist, wasn't it?
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It's like how nature repeatedly evolves organisms into crab-like forms. After enough iterations you're likely to stumble upon a common optimal solution, the crab. A lot of shit runs better under a central government. Funnily enough, American socialists started the first public sewer service in the 19th century.
 
spiritualatheist said:
Wow, it's almost like socialism is better for society than capitalism or something, lol.
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Lily is a literally a dictator. And if anyone else was in her position things would not be going as well as they are for her.

Because you know she's a anti social genius with dang near post scarcity technology who doesn't even want the job. So bout as far away from the average human, let alone a politician or Bureaucrat, as you can get.
 
The best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship... the problem is there's no succession planning.

Happily Lily is very close to functional immortality.

Lily is benevolent enough in the sense that she wants a functional society to provide stability and creature comforts, but otherwise doesn't care about individuals unless you go out of your way to make yourself her problem.

The actual mechanism of government is whatever the dictator says it is. Currently that's a Socialist/Capitalist mix similar to what we have IRL in many countries, but that's subject to Lily's whims.
 
SpiraSpira said:
Occasionally, she missed Gary as a lover, but to her, he was like a very large Thanksgiving dinner, very filling, pun intended, but only suitable for special occasions
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And too much Turkey can make you fat, even if Lily likely has preventions against that.

Lily: Oh no! I can't zee my feet!

Apprentice: You couldn't before that.

Lily: ... I am not that bad.

Apprentice: Don't pregnant women typically gain an additional cup size?

Lily: ... I was not that bad.
 
SpiraSpira said:
which meant it must be in a geostationary orbit, and it had a line-of-sight on Canada.
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Dont you mean geosynchronous if the earth didn't move underneath? Isn't geostationary when the satellite maintains a longitudinal orbit but DOESNT maintain rotation with the planet?
SpiraSpira said:
he nodded, "You don't have to be a dictator, be a democracy for all I care. But you saw what zhe greatest democracy in the world did to the planet, first hand." She waved a hand at the window, to the blasted hellscape that was the Capital Wasteland.

"America wasn't much of a democracy for a long time; you know that as well as I do,"
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Yeah, America isn't a democracy, it's a constitutional republic with democratic processes. You'd think two learned people would know.
SpiraSpira said:
But I think I'll work towards some type of republic."
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You fucking tosser, Gary.
 
Vrenze said:
Dont you mean geosynchronous if the earth didn't move underneath? Isn't geostationary when the satellite maintains a longitudinal orbit but DOESNT maintain rotation with the planet?
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I think geostationary should be synonomous with geosynchronous as far as orbits were concerned? At least as far as Wikipedia is concerned:

A geostationary orbit, also referred to as a geosynchronous equatorial orbit[a] (GEO), is a circular geosynchronous orbit 35,786 km (22,236 mi) in altitude above Earth's equator (42,164 km (26,199 mi) in radius from Earth's center) and following the directionof Earth's rotation.
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SpiraSpira said:
I think geostationary should be synonomous with geosynchronous as far as orbits were concerned? At least as far as Wikipedia is concerned:
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Ok, weird, I looked about too and thought I read there was a difference. Now I'm seeing that they can be used interchangeably but also that geostationary is specifically being a geosynchronous orbit around the equatorial plane. So disregard I guess
 
@SpiraSpira I've been wondering but did the drone plane fly over NCR or not? Because there's no mention of anything of note besides Vegas so far. No hidden military depots, no Shi Town or Hubologist compound, and even in the vicinity of Vegas Big MT and Sierra Madre aren't mentioned either.
 
megamiaouh said:
@SpiraSpira I've been wondering but did the drone plane fly over NCR or not? Because there's no mention of anything of note besides Vegas so far. No hidden military depots, no Shi Town or Hubologist compound, and even in the vicinity of Vegas Big MT and Sierra Madre aren't mentioned either.
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Lily's drones covered a huge area. The fast pace of this story skips over things like a long detailed description of everything the drones flew over. New Vegas is mentioned because Dr. House somehow noticed a stealth drone and hailed it. He's the only person to accomplish this. Nothing else is interesting or immediately relevant enough for Lily.

We'll probably hear from House as soon as Lily builds a better communication system. She still cannot replicate House's quantum computer manufacturing. He might not trade away the manufacturing knowledge, but it would be worth it to ship quantum cores by plane. Plane flies to DC hauling quantum cores, flies back to New Vegas carrying cyber bazongas.
 
deadlyham said:
Lily's drones covered a huge area. The fast pace of this story skips over things like a long detailed description of everything the drones flew over. New Vegas is mentioned because Dr. House somehow noticed a stealth drone and hailed it. He's the only person to accomplish this. Nothing else is interesting or immediately relevant enough for Lily.
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Yeah but in her inner narative she specifically mentions looking for how the NCR is doing and when it comes back she stops at when the plane hit Vegas, I would think that the fact the San Fransisco area and probably Vault City is industrialized and can produce 'modern' technology would be mentionned at least.

SpiraSpira said:
The prototype would continue its flight plan, climbing to forty thousand metres while departing northwest. In the event of a power systems failure, the thing should be able to glide almost five hundred kilometres even with no power.

She intended for this first really long flight to look at a number of potential places of interest in the Continental US, looking mainly for enclaves of civilisation that she didn't already know about, including the west coast, so she could see how the NCR was doing. Only five hundred kilometres of range wouldn't be enough to glide it back to DC, but it would be enough to glide it somewhere it would never be found if there was a serious issue, like directly into the side of a mountain, the bottom of a Great Lake, et cetera.


The next night when the prototype arrived back in range of her Mesh, Lily was startled by some of the data it had. She had just picked a random flight path going to and from large cities on the way to the west coast, and a number of them appeared to be inhabited to a greater or lesser degree, about the same as the DC Wasteland, but there were no signs of industrialisation or everyday use of technology until the aircraft arrived over what was Las Vegas.
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It just feels like she stopped the recording when House called and hasn't touched it since. Even more so with how she's struggling with playing Falloutpunk and just had someone mention colonizing West it's weird there's no mention of all the civilization on the West Coast (especially the Chinese one!) if only so she can have exemples of what (not?) to do.
 
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SpiraSpira said:
Ultimately, people just wanted relative safety, clean food and water and the freedom to pursue their own individual interests. She was working on the safety and water bit. As for the food? She had started building a dozen copies of the Fancy Lad people mulching machine to incorporate into the sewer system at the highest flow junctions.
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Still makes me a little green thinking about this method... Ugh.
 
Not sure why the MC does not just setup a large Radio Tower to operate like a CB Radio or something... I mean. There are people who have small towers at their houses, something simple they made themselves, and are able to broadcast and receive a pretty good range/distance. So she should be able to communicate with House without setting up satellites. Though the communications would not be very secure.

Unless this America is governed differently than ours, it was not a Democracy, but a Constitutional Federal Republic.

Feel like the Protagonist from Fallout 3 should be visiting soon... Would be funny if the MC is famous in their Vault because of her Songs.

Wonder if/when the MC will finally get all those good genetic expressions that the MC gets(in game format) from the FEV and with their Pipboy's "Stats". Like... Will the MC get a good deal when examining the Protagonist from the Vault? Will the MC be in/near the other provinces when their "Canon" happens to examine those "MC's". Like New Vegas 2 years after the Fallout 3 MC shows up, or up in the Commonwealth 6 years after that(the New Vegas 'Canon') for the Fallout 4 events...

Surprised the MC's aerial Drone(s) did not discover any of the crashed UFO's.
 
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1stSlug said:
Still makes me a little green thinking about this method... Ugh.
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If it helps, it probably uses the same system that the Sierra Vedre vending machine uses... which is basically a star trek-like replicator.
that is, it converts all the gross biomass from the sewage and bodies into atoms and then rearranges the atoms into something less gross.
effectively filtering it though so many filters and then using it to transform it down to the smallest atoms to the point that it stopped being sewage a long time ago.

otherwise, how could the fancy lad cakes actually taste like chocolate cake and not, you know, something weird and funny-tasting?

at least, it's much better than how they made coffee beans... by having animals shit the beans out and then roasting them in the sun. one of the reasons why I don't drink coffee.
 
I'm reasonably certain that a radio tower with sufficient power, gain and bandwidth to compare to what Lily's rolling out that's capable of reaching New Vegas is more accurately described as a maser. =)

Also Eclipse Phase gives the impression that they're fundamentally opposed to centralised anything because that just makes whatever a big juicy target.

I get the impression that there's humans everywhere not just Because Its There, but the niggling thought that it might be necessary to have people in out of the way places to rebuild in case something else big explodes.
 
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