Alexandria is physically incapable of deafening herself and not immune to Heartbreaker, but yes.
But at the point where you're willing to go Heartbreaker + Canary you probably already have a kill order on your head.

Besides you don't need to use both at the same time. You can use Grey Boy + Canary to lure your victims in, then Grey Boy + Heartbreaker to take them. As far as I know, Grey Boy is more or less the most difficult to kill amongst all natural triggers.
Even Lung, Alabaster or Nice Guy are easier to contain. With Grey Boy the only option you have is a powerful trump - such as happened in canon, with Faerie Queen taking him.

Incidentally, Fairy Queen is a natural trigger, right? What happens if the MC takes her power, uses it to retrieve a few powers, then drops it. Can he still use the retrieved powers the next time he calls on FQ?
If so, unobtrusively collecting powers using her is a good way of having 4 powers to call on in a particularly tight spot and maybe even getting your hands on some cauldron powers.
Explicit nerf of the power is no powers that collect powers. So no butcher or GU. Second trigger grue with trump smoke is allowed though.
 
Everyone keeps mentioning Canary... one of the main points in the SI's power is that no Cauldron capes are allowed. Canary bought her powers from Cauldron.
 
So can you power share with more than one person? Also does it have to be a parahuman that you share with? Think of the shenanigans if you make Piggot think she triggered.
 
Nope. checked the cyoa, only cauldron, contessa and collectors are verboten. So narwhal and super grue are allowed.

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Vetoing Second Triggers, or at least ones that are overt, I really don't count Skitter Taylor as a Second Trigger as her power really, really doesn't feel like one. Sure, It's strong, but only in it's processing power, which Accord and Tattletale can sort of equal in their own fields. Despite Word of Wildbow that is my decision. It's absence in the CYOA rules isn't a yes or go ahead, else I could go full khepri and that becomes a very short story.

So Narwhal may be okay, but Super Grue's too much.


Also, ROB must be proud and he's obviously still hiding ways to screw you over. Wait till you see a yarn ball :D
 
ROB might find it sexist that you refer to it as male
At this point I'm pretty sure ROB doesn't care what I call him/her/it, the bastard/bitch/potted plant already labeled me as Entertainment, foregoing any rights I might have had and thrust me into a death world with only a reasonably effective weapon to defend myself against the biggest players on the field.

And this all doesn't take into account the he turned me into a catboi who has the most ridiculously sensitive appendages with a malus that makes me quite literally hold an idiot ball any time cat like behavior is warranted. At this point he's just laughing at my misfortune Q-Q

I like that honestly.
Let's be honest, what's so realistic/fun about a hyper-competent min-maxer right?
Plus min-maxing takes a lot of the fun out in stories imo, too much focus on the mechanics of the power, rather than the affects of the SI's presence in the Bay.
Which is why I try to stay away from unreasonable min/maxing. If I go Von Neumann I need a reason to go Von Neumann. On top of that I need a reasonable combination of abilities to do so in a time frame that isn't "Okay this is seriously getting boring, please for the love of God hurry the fuck up." I am easily bored and easily amused. Neither of these things are good for anyone in this setting.

And that would be useless as heartbreaker's power is the same as Asimov's mule. Voice is not needed, just to have a brain and he'll twist your emotions. Canary was for range.

Be careful around thinker powers then. If you slot in miss militia you'd remember everything. If you slot accord you get all the plans and Jack slash too. And we'll know.
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Ah, I assumed Heartbreakers powers required some medium to travel in. Or in hard information cases, need voice contact to properly manipulate the person. You can make them feel happy, sad, etc all you want but you need to convince them that they being instantly attracted to you is actually perfectly normal, no I didn't use my power on you why would you think that?

Only powers that hardwire the brain or leave material behind will remain when I unslot a power. I may remember everything with Miss Millitia's power but only the things I experienced while using it. Same for Accord. I can write down these plans in detail but I won't be able to understand them intrinsically after the power is gone.

Alexandria is physically incapable of deafening herself and not immune to Heartbreaker, but yes.
But at the point where you're willing to go Heartbreaker + Canary you probably already have a kill order on your head.
Meant that more as flying bricks in generally, those that can come in faster than most people can see and pulp me before I even know what's happening. incidentally this also works for any kind of assassin that's outside of my power range. So snipers, etc. would work as well, I just made the Alexandria package comment because it was the first thing that came to mind.


Grey Boy isn't a natural trigger, he's a Cauldron cape. Regardless, using Grey Boy's powers is like you grabbing a murder stick sanctified in the blood of unbaptized babies then beating nuns over the head with it until their pained wails call forth an archdaemon from the lowest pits of the hells.

Or in other words, in Worm people would probably actually prefer becoming Ziz bombs over getting Grey Boy'd. The little fucker creates "I have no mouth but I must scream." situations just by existing and even if I could use his powers I wouldn't touch them no matter how long the pole as the only person I'd realistically use it on is Scion who can lolnope them anyway.

"Quick Taylor, grab my tail!"
*grab*
ESCALATION - - -!
You sonofabich! I was drinking when I read that, now I'm fucking dying over here xD Someone needs to make that an image. I don't care how.

Explicit nerf of the power is no powers that collect powers. So no butcher or GU. Second trigger grue with trump smoke is allowed though.
I've limited myself to first trigger basis, though I've never considered Taylor's "second trigger." to be an actual second trigger. So I've given myself a mulligan for that, not like I really plan to use it all that much, just a personal preference at that point. Also her powers aren't "that" strong when considering high end thinkers like Tattletale and Accord who are first triggers. Also second Trigger Grue would fall under power acquisition, along with most of the rest of the trump class actually. I'm just kinda staying away from the power granting capes in general actually. I can already all the powers I don't need more at this point and thinking otherwise is just me being greedy. I do allow body modification as a power granting ability though so Panacea and Bonesaw are perfectly okay.

I thought Second Triggers weren't allowed, save Skitter?
Nope. checked the cyoa, only cauldron, contessa and collectors are verboten. So narwhal and super grue are allowed.
Personal restriction on my part.

Canary bought her powers from Cauldron.
This is true, just checked. Had forgotten about this.

So can you power share with more than one person? Also does it have to be a parahuman that you share with? Think of the shenanigans if you make Piggot think she triggered.
Only bought one selection of power share so can only share it with one person at a time. Though Taylor doesn't exactly need it, she can still receive some of the permanent benefits first. I can also take this gift away from her at any point, she just kind of terrifies me so it's likely I wont be doing that soon. No I'm not whipped I just have a reasonable sense of self preservation. That and the bugs, all of the bugs. Just no.

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So Narwhal may be okay
Also, ROB must be proud and he's obviously still hiding ways to screw you over. Wait till you see a yarn ball :D
People are commenting faster than I can respond to everyone :o

But yes self limiting, First trigger Narwhal would be fine, would have to make some reasonable leaps in logic to limit that power to first trigger levels but its manageable.

And yeah, ROB has only begun to rear his ugly head in this story.

And no ROB, I'm not calling you ugly, that was a euphemism for you being an assholish dick. No ROB, I do not want the catnip, you fucker.
 
Not sure why I didn't notice this earlier but: Schrodinger + Nazi looking + Catboy = is this you:



 
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Or in other words, in Worm people would probably actually prefer becoming Ziz bombs over getting Grey Boy'd. The little fucker creates "I have no mouth but I must scream." situations just by existing and even if I could use his powers I wouldn't touch them no matter how long the pole as the only person I'd realistically use it on is Scion who can lolnope them anyway.

I didn't know he was Cauldron. But I meant his powers defensively, not offensively.

He was horribly effective at causing torturous situations for his victims, but he was so unstoppable because whenever he took damage he'd reset to before he took the damage. At least as far as I understand his power, his power is better for staying alive than even Alabaster's is, since Grey Boy can escape getting foamed while the same is an easy way to stop Alabaster.

Not that getting foamed is a problem either way for someone who can tap into Strider or Fog...
 
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Just like yes, the other combos in this thread are pretty op. Just, my in story self has to both remember these combo's and think of their use, sometimes on the fly and sometimes with half remembered ideas. If I can't remember them with my completely ass memory then he wont either.
That wasn't directed at you, it was people coming up with over-complicated ways to make it into a whirlwind of death. All you need to do is know where to aim. Any power is OP if you know what to do. You know "A lever long enough, a place to stand, and I can move the world" sort of thing.

But yeah. I'm going for something less min-maxy for my own. I'm thinking about using V4 with Rogue expansion and just... making a word class thinker that's going to get almost everything wrong. Partly to cut down on the insanity of the comments section.
 
Honestly the whole power sharing makes me pretty leery. It makes it seem like your character is just going to be a side note to Taylors story, since she gets the ocs exact same power set on top of her own. For one thing it will get difficult to explain which powers she can copy. It rings a bit too much of all those fix fics where the first thing the si does is make (pre canon) Taylor amazingly powerful, all while describing her in fawning terms.

Assuming that the power sharing is necessary (and let's be honest, Taylor would have been a moron not take him onboard without it, and there are power granting trumps like othala already), then maybe something that keeps the si in the loop and decision making a bit more? Like he transfers the power(s) by touch?
 
Just like yes, the other combos in this thread are pretty op. Just, my in story self has to both remember these combo's and think of their use, sometimes on the fly and sometimes with half remembered ideas. If I can't remember them with my completely ass memory then he wont either.
Worry not young Padawan. You've made Taylor your partner. Even if you don't think of the OP combos, the queen of munchkins is sure to come up with lots of terrifyingly effective stuff.

As far as I know, Grey Boy is more or less the most difficult to kill amongst all natural triggers.
Grey Boy is a cauldron cape, they specifically refer to him as one of their failures. Basically Cauldron wanted lots of chaos and fighting to encourage more natural triggers - their whole approach to sion was basically to throw darts at a wall and hope one of them was actually a nuke. Problem with Grey Boy was that he trapped more capes in endless torture loops than he helped create, and by quite a large margin. They were actually quite happy that the fairy queen came and took care of that problem.

Also, you know, Grey Boy'ing someone is just evil. Like really, really, evil. Even in Worm, the only guy who deserves that might be Jack Slash and the original Grey Boy himself.

Incidentally, Fairy Queen is a natural trigger, right? What happens if the MC takes her power, uses it to retrieve a few powers, then drops it.
MC can't take the weird powers, in addition to Cauldron capes. Therefore no Eidolon, Fairy Queen, Contessa, Nilbog, etc - though I'm not sure about the Blue Lady who's mentioned in canon at the Sion battle, the one who was powerful enough of a Trump to have taken over an entire world.
 
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Or for planning Tattletale + Accord
Relatively pointless; Accord is broken enough already. The best thing to combo with Accord might be Velocity, provided one had the tools required to effect the world while running Velocity's Breaker state.

I can write down these plans in detail but I won't be able to understand them intrinsically after the power is gone.

That's hardly a problem; the nice thing about Accord's Plans is that, after they've been documented, they can function perfectly well with or without interference from him, provided they're properly followed.

I do not want the catnip, you fucker.

ROB: Too bad. *New trigger with the ability to grow plants, esp. mints, emerges*
 
Somewhere in Japan giant portal Gate opens. Through them in giant wave came the Horde. Because just tsnami isn`t enough...
 
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Actually, I seem to remember that Contessa talked her into it.
That's entirely possible, it's been quite some time since I've read canon - don't tell Wildbow that I actually prefer some fanfics over the original (too grimdark for me). ;)

But regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Cauldron was quite happy to see Grey Boy removed from the picture.
 
Is it ever outright stated that Grey Boy cant lower his bubbles?

Because I feel like he could do so and just chose not to because he was a psychopathic serial killer who liked trapping people in inescapable bubbles of neverending torture
 
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