2019/2020 Community Council Nomination Discussions

personally i'm in favour of banning adult works on SV. pornography has no redeeming value and cannot be used as part of a story. it's not like you can use porn as character study, as emotional catharsis and payoff for relationship stuff, or even part of a character arc, right? and erotica is of course always fucked up and exploitative, it's never fun or tender, yep.

if you elect me, i'll ban all the smut forever
 
personally i'm in favour of banning adult works on SV. pornography has no redeeming value and cannot be used as part of a story. it's not like you can use porn as character study, as emotional catharsis and payoff for relationship stuff, or even part of a character arc, right? and erotica is of course always fucked up and exploitative, it's never fun or tender, yep.

if you elect me, i'll ban all the smut forever
You forgot the really obvious SARCASM sign on your perfectly valid point.
 
personally i'm in favour of banning adult works on SV. pornography has no redeeming value and cannot be used as part of a story. it's not like you can use porn as character study, as emotional catharsis and payoff for relationship stuff, or even part of a character arc, right? and erotica is of course always fucked up and exploitative, it's never fun or tender, yep.

if you elect me, i'll ban all the smut forever


Especially all that utter filth that notorious user @open_sketch writes, right?

:V
 
5: I'm against pain and suffering, in full generality, whenever they may occur, no matter who they occur to. They ought to be minimized if at all possible.

I have a query here, if you don't mind. You may well have satisfied it already, but given your stated desires towards artistic freedoms, that I remember us agreeing on in a thread a while back (I think) I have to ask what you feel about the place of this in fiction. Given the plot of HMIL, I'm guessing you don't have anything against people writing it, within the same restrictions as your guidelines to good erotica - it should be part of the scene that is necessary.

I just want to make sure I've got that right, because the experience of and resolution to grief and pain requires those things to happen so that said resolution means something.



More generally, I'm...tempted to run this year. I don't know if I'd get anywhere, but my experience in Questing and UF has been pushing me towards wanting to involve myself more in this site, and those worries haven't really stopped being present since I first realised I had them. In simple terms, I'm worried about artistic stagnation. Expansion of what is acceptable could be a way to do that, and I'm certainly not against giving space for people to experiment (so long as it is honest experimentation) with things like erotica. I can see the point of @Aedan777 in their worries about where such an expansion could lead, though, which begs the question of how oversight could be implemented in a manner that allows for that experimentation, but doesn't cause what they're not unreasonably concerned of.

I'm not sure if I have a good answer to this right now, but I think one is there. And I think if we're going to find it, we need all sorts. I'm not even trying to position myself as a conservative or centrist or whatever term you might say fits that ideal. One only need read a little of my own work on this site - I run a pretty darn successful original sci-fi quest, with one of the most mellow quester communities I'm aware of - to see that my views on a lot of issues lie to the left of centre. But part of that for me involves wanting to create a space for everyone, within reason, and I am worried by some of the conversations I've either had or witnessed that SV has formed echo chambers.

Long-term site members garnish praise, both for their often insightful views, but also because they have a weight more than the words they write. Ratings mean something, that's always been the case, and they're a self-perpetuating cycle in how they give people power. But it's more than just that. There are sections of the site that appear actively hostile to opinions that do not agree with them. This is mostly concentrated around certain N&P that I no longer frequent, so it may have mellowed since, but it was a definite concern for me and one I've felt strongly enough about to engage with more than a few times.

If I can get anywhere on that, well, that's another matter. But I can at least try, and I'm pretty stubborn about doing all I can to keep my promises.

And there's also the side where if I don't run on my own, a certain Operator may attempt to have me run as one of my quest characters. No, I'm not joking, and I have no idea how we got to this point.
 
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i do not and have never used sarcasm. how dare you? i am one hundred percent serious in my pursuit to remove all smut from the site forever, before we are overwhelmed!
 
I apologize if the moment has passed, but I am going through this entire thread with a finer toothed comb than usual as I consider whom I want to nominate, and I just want to say that I find the airing of private messages in bad taste, even if the OP felt it was necessary. Also, as long as it is not a threat of some kind, I think it does actually push up against some data protection laws in the EU at least. I would still strongly urge that post to be edited to exclude that segment, as the essay itself stands quite well enough on its own and the screenshots add only unneeded drama to this thread.

That being said, quite independent of any other post, I respectfully invite Maelvona to rebut this point in your campaign, in case I misinterpreted it:

This Councilor position would be a boost for me, honestly. I was between leaving the site and going my own way, but without a community, that might have been difficult.

In other words, you are only considering to remain an active member of Sufficient Velocity if you are elected as a Councilor, otherwise, you will leave? This seems like a very weak position to campaign on for a position that bears quite a bit of resposibility to the rest of the website, quite frankly.

Edit as another question to a different candidate came up:

I simply disagree that a desirable direction for SV to take would be make it a more friendly environment for the creation and proliferation of pornography. Strongly enough that I am nominating myself as a council member on that as my primary platform.

I'd just like to ask a question: are you advocating here for maintaining the status quo, interpreting the current rules more strictly, or revising current rules? Also, I just wanted to add that I find your posts to be well-formulated and eloquent, even if I am not certain I completely agree with your position, so thanks for that.
 
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and I just want to say that I find the airing of private messages in bad taste, even if the OP felt it was necessary. Also, as long as it is not a threat of some kind, I think it does actually push up against some data protection laws in the EU at least. I would still strongly urge that post to be edited to exclude that segment, as the essay itself stands quite well enough on its own and the screenshots add only unneeded drama to this thread.
So y'all want people to make claims without providing proof now? Please explain this to me. "It's unsavory" is not an argument.
 
So y'all want people to make claims without providing proof now? Please explain this to me. "It's unsavory" is not an argument.

I think the essay stood well enough on its own, and cited witnesses for verification if anyone wanted to chase down additional proof. I'm not criticizing the post, which I have no problems with otherwise, simply the actual quoting of the PMs within it via screenshots. Also, I think debating about providing claims without proof / quoting of private messages is a bit of a derail to the nominations thread, but I'd be happy to continue the discussion elsewhere if you wanted (albeit I am not really invested in winning any arguments here, I was just trying to point out my concerns).
 
That's not even on the top 5 most disgusting Worm fics on QQ, tbh
Please send me a list of them. I need it for uhm, research purposes.

I am speaking for the opposite position, which believes that the erosion of rule 6 is not in the benefit of SV as a whole.
I am honestly tempted to nominate you to reduce the prevalence of smut on SV. In so much as I agree with the arguments raised by @Evenstar and others regarding the quality of smut on QQ, it sounds to me like a reason to advocate for more wholesome smut on QQ. Banning smut on SV seems like a way to do that. ;)

@open_sketch if you (or anyone else) seriously commits to banning smut, you can get one of my nomination sluts. :V

and the discussion about what was allowed on SV was set by, well, QQ.
I'd appreciate a link please.

Also, all this debating is making me want to write character sheets for all the nominees XD
Please do so, it would be very helpful.

I've either had or witnessed that SV has formed echo chambers
This is a concern of mine, as such I would be tentatively handing you a nomination. I'd honestly prefer if you weren't left leaning, but critical leftists are very welcome as well.
 
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tbh if i posted my smut on QQ i'd be banned, because my queer characters actually have to deal with being queer outside of sex scenes too, and QQ does not take kindly to that
 
In so much as I agree with the arguments raised by @Evenstar and others regarding the quality of smut on QQ, it sounds to me like a reason to advocate for more wholesome smut on QQ. Banning smut on SV seems like a way to do that. ;)

I'm not sure why you believe it is reasonable to advocate for the intentional sabotage of SV as a means to benefit another webforum in a thread about SV governance.

I suppose perhaps you simply enjoy making enemies for no actual benefit to yourself.
 
I'm not sure why you believe it is reasonable to advocate for the intentional sabotage of SV as a means to benefit another webforum in a thread about SV governance.

I suppose perhaps you simply enjoy making enemies for no actual benefit to yourself.
I don't consider it intentional sabotage. I actually like the division between the two; QQ is for smut, and SV isn't. I'd prefer for it to remain that way.

What the fuck, dude?
I'm curious. You may interpret said curiosity however you wish.

You currently have one of my nomination slots since your megaquest thread left a strong impression. I would like to know your concrete policy positions/priorities though.
 
Well I came to awake at a seemingly perfect time. I have been contemplating what I could say, what might appease my own swelling of discontent and outcry over any perceived attacks on my character. Though accusations may be warranted, but I would not say they are conclusive. Allow me to explain. I have spoke to some friends over my woes, yes I speak, yes I let my voice be heard. I highlighted very clearly that I always let my opinion be known, and while this may have led to uncomfortable situations and uncouth behavior on my part, I wear my emotions on my sleeve. It's apart of the property, and I was within a community of what I deemed friends at the time. Imagine my shock when fellow bearers of this world called me out, as I languished in my sorrow that drained my thoughts and tempted me towards darker persuasions, to essentially cut-the-shit. It was certainly a wake up call, I'll tell you! I was threatened. I was angry. I was seeing a culprit for my woes, a person to take out all my pent up feelings and failings. The one and only, @mothematics who I will say nothing else on save that they certainly have the attitude of a moderator if I've ever seen one. Respectable, if I may, and I am concerned that my words effected so many. I did say I spoke my mind, didn't I?

Though the consequences for such actions were lost on me at the time and only the rage and ensuing satisfaction over my stint of defiance really permeated across my mind. I would say there are say additions and personalized takes on the previous matter, but I don't remember the incident so clearly to correct any that I might have issue with. They are insignificant, the crux of my dilemma, and why I did what I did, was that it was a deeply personal issue for me. I felt humiliated and dehumanized, as if I couldn't speak for some arbitration of a faceless enforcer, and my rights of a human were being stripped from me. I asked for an apology, not in any sense of an admittance of defeat from them, as I have been wizened that may have been perceived from those I've asked about the subject. No, I asked for an apology because I felt hurt and I wanted someone to give a shit about me, just to say, hey, it's okay. But no one's my mother, and they refused. That's fine, I decided to eject myself from a community I appreciated and felt consciously aware of it's positive affect on me, simply for my own pride. Stupid, foolish, and perhaps neglectful, yes. But I made such a choice consciously, because I wanted to strike back. I had an impulse for revenge, as short-lived as it was.

But I am the one who should be sorry. I never knew the profound effect that my mere words could have on another, or the traumatic stress that I caused. I never looked past my own toes, thinking I was invisible and largely regarded as a nothing, a non-prospect, non-threatening. Who could feel hurt by me, when I wasn't even confident enough to admit my own pain and suffering? For those who would like to know, I have moved on from the traumatic stress of my previous situation, and I see that I wasn't in the right state of mind. It took a certain type of person, a person who cared for me and could get through all the bad and sadness within me to let me see through that. That person was myself, as it happens, though I had some help. Let's just say, that it was a personal matter to me, and I do not think that should reflect on my character. I was depressed and out of a state where I could function regularly, is that such a crime? Were I to be banned from this race for statements made from yesteryear, what would that say of the state of an election? That a troubled girl, who's been through the worst of it and came out stronger, can't be perceived differently? Look, I'm no peach, but everyone looks at themselves in a sense of positive light.. Even when I disregarded my own humanity and my own happiness to wax and wane on a future that could never happen: I still defended my prose. It was damn good prose.

Let's talk frankly, shall we? I don't appreciate people speculating on my past relationship because that is my concern alone. I was wrong to bring it into light, but I deleted the posts when asked, and while I had a personal problem with Mothe at the time, I do truly apologize to them. I didn't mean anything by my statements and like I said, I guess you could perceive it as.. Trolling? I don't know if I'd use that exact word but it's the kind of rabid hostility that I was raised in. But I've spent time contemplating that particular issue, I tried to ignore it, but it really did lead me towards a path to self-discovery and refrainment of releasing such broad statements so irregardless of those around me. It's hard, really, to judge the internet in a sphere matching the reality. It was my pillow that I would scream within, when I was young, and that transitioned further as I grew older, and some of those problems are still in me, would you believe me if I say they weren't, afterall? But I would never let that impede my traditional, professional life. The Internet has evolved for me and many others to be an active space to reach out to a community they are not apart of anywhere else. Maybe I took some time to realize that, but my attachment to those times in my life, could add my voice to those still troubled by it: this world is not yours alone, and if you don't get that through your head, you're going to have a bad time. Look. I have nothing else to prove. I have been apart of my communities for years and while they've seen the worst of me, I've done nothing worse then what was shown there, and for that, I do wish and hope I have atoned in this message explaining my actions.

@Aedan777 himself, who I've known for nearing six? seven? Years now gave me advice and cautioned this next move I made exactly here, and our personalities are nothing alike. I love erotica. I love @Evenstar for pursuing what she's doing, I see it as a commendable objective and similar to my own for the GSRP community. I could call upon dozens of others who might vouch in my favour, or damn me in turn, but a race isn't about endorsements. It isn't about proving who's right, and who's wrong. It's about speaking up for what you believe in and that is what I will do in each and every tribunal with the passion that I took to write this. If you have problems with my personal character, you are entitled to them and I submit my whole self to the court of public opinion, the good and the bad. And for the recent statement of my previous post - it was within the past tense of which I spoke that, I already made my choice to stay apart of the community some way some how. I actually spoke to @Cetashwayo extensively about it, and we both agreed that while Forum life is hard.. And not all the times rewarding, we've been apart of these communities for years now. He's given more then any person could ask him for, and he serves somewhat as my inspiration in doing this, because I would like to say, that through all the work, dedication, and time I've spent in forums like these, writing long drawn out like this one, that I could say I gave back to the community that listened to me for all this time.

Thank you for your time. If you want a cheeky and out of place campaign slogan since we're all memeing I suppose,
#AVoteForMaelisAVoteforRedemption
 
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I don't consider it intentional sabotage. I actually like the division between the two; QQ is for smut, and SV isn't. I'd prefer for it to remain that way.
You are either a liar or you chose extremely poor phrasing.

In so much as I agree with the arguments raised by @Evenstar and others regarding the quality of smut on QQ, it sounds to me like a reason to advocate for more wholesome smut on QQ. Banning smut on SV seems like a way to do that. ;)

The bolded segment makes it quite clear you consider this intentional.

If you were now defending it as not seeing it as sabotage, I'd see that as fair. But you're trying to pretend it isn't intentional, having made it quite clear you were advancing the position intentionally for that specific effect.
 
tbh if i posted my smut on QQ i'd be banned, because my queer characters actually have to deal with being queer outside of sex scenes too, and QQ does not take kindly to that
Curious, but don't want to derail this thread.

I dunno dude, joking about how you want to get off to child porn in a thread where you're meant to be putting your best foot forward probably isn't a good idea.
1. I'm not running, so I don't really have much pressure to put my best foot forward.
2. I was asking what @Vindictus considered the worst Worm smut on QQ. It's not apparent to me that constitutes a request for child porn? Perhaps what Vindictus considers the worst Worm smut on QQ is obviously child porn, but I wasn't aware of that (haven't read Worm, so Worm smut wouldn't do much for me).

The bolded segment makes it quite clear you consider this intentional.
No, I was claiming it wasn't sabotage (not claiming it wasn't intentional). Considering that you floated that hypothesis, I'm a little surprised you jumped to the worst possible conclusion that would require me to be a liar or have made an egregious mistake when there was another equally plausible interpretation that required neither.
 
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