Oh no, my team of Magical Girls is running into problems that super powers can't solve, and facing foes that aren't dark monsters! What do we do?

Have we considered just blasting anyways?

There's probably a reason that in the case that Grant is that level of garbage that the mind behind going for lungs filled with acid during speeches will probably be:
- Still in hospital care/observation
- Across the Atlantic Ocean
- Unable to transform

Look if it was Esme and Brigid handling events I'm not saying they'd kill Grant and bury the body. I'm saying they'd kill him and dissolve the body.

But it'll be Eve handling the immediate reaction. And she's much less prone to murder.
 
So question for consideration - .

Do people think there will be actual combat/fighting or not in the present?

Because I don't think any of the themes of the aftermath and the consequences of trauma, mental and physical would be diminished by the threat being a threat.
I would disagree.

If there was a clear and present danger, if the Team were actually under attack, it would be simple. It's easy to justify uprooting your life or reforging old bonds to combat a threat that is physically in front of you. It's easier to get whipped back into shape if you are being pushed and challenged.

Eve is trying to get the band back together based on nothing but the word of her cat. That creates doubt. From the perspective of the rest of the team, Eve could just be lying because she wants go back to her glory days. Or maybe she snapped and is imagining the whole thing. She wouldn't be the first to have a nebulous grip on reality as a result of what they went through.

Even if it's true, the deadline is uncertain, the scale of the threat unknowable. Do they really need absolutely everyone? How much of their lives can they justify burning to face an intangible threat? If there is no obvious danger then it's much easier to bow out and let someone else handle it.

The tension comes from the uncertainty, and uncertainty is a core part of being an adult. Adult threats are almost always vast and nebulous, and there's always the urge to say they are someone else's problem.

"I'm not seeing any real difference in temperature, so global warming can't be that bad."

"I've got work tomorrow and my budget is tight, I can't afford to drive six hours for a protest."


Part of becoming an adult is realizing the majority of your enemies won't be obviously attacking you, and you can't just win a big victory and go home.

It's easy to convince people to fight racism if assholes in white hoods are breaking down doors. When it's silent, institutionalized discrimination it's an uphill battle just to convince people there's a problem.

There's probably a reason that in the case that Grant is that level of garbage that the mind behind going for lungs filled with acid during speeches will probably be:
- Still in hospital care/observation
- Across the Atlantic Ocean
- Unable to transform

Look if it was Esme and Brigid handling events I'm not saying they'd kill Grant and bury the body. I'm saying they'd kill him and dissolve the body.

But it'll be Eve handling the immediate reaction. And she's much less prone to murder.
I think I'm going to echo what others have said and guess that Riley's husband isn't going to be obviously or intentionally abusive. It's just too easy.

Going with what I said above about unseen threats being more thematic and difficult to deal with, Grant causing harm accidently or ignorantly seems more likely. It means they can't just punch him or spirit Riley away. Riley has to be convinced there even is a problem, and that it's bad enough to justify throwing her whole life into the wind to resolve.

Thematically, I'm going to guess (based on absolutely nothing) that Grant is actually a pretty nice guy. He probably even thinks he's a "good guy", and most of the people in his life would agree.

Riley seems like a rock. If someone hits her, they're going to break their hand. If she's moving, she'll crush anything in her way. But she isn't moving. She's stuck, and like a river through a mountain Grant has slowly worn her away. Not with insults or cruelty, which she could deal with, but with kindness.

"Don't get up, sweetie, I got it."

"Are you sure you're up for that?"

"I don't think that's a good idea. Think about how hard it will be with your leg."

Grant met her when she felt helpless and he treated her like she was helpless. Not out of malice, but out of ignorance. It was easier to let him help, to agree that she needed help, than to push him away when he was just trying to be nice. And Riley followed that easy road all the way to where she is now, because every time she pushed back she was the bitch snapping at people who were "just trying to help".

I agree he's probably not the best husband or father, but probably not out of malice. If Riley asks him to do something he's there in a flash...but he never volunteers. She always has to ask, and eventually she stopped asking.

He never says anything against her past or about other queer people, but he doesn't speak up when his family or work buddies break out the slurs.

He goes to church every Sunday because it's the church he was raised in, even if he doesn't necessarily agree with everything the pastor says.

He's got a pickup with a "Back the Blue" bumper sticker (if those are even a thing yet), but only because his brother is a cop.

Unlike his father, he'd never lay hands on his kids, except the one time he spanked their oldest for running away with Riley's prosthetic after she'd been up all night trying to care for their littlest. He felt horrible about it afterward, and Riley had to reassure him that he did the right thing. It was one spanking, after all, and he was doing it for her.

Riley isn't isolating from her friends because he'll get mad. She's isolating because she knows they won't understand. They won't see or care about the extenuating circumstances. And maybe she is miserable, but so what? All parents of toddlers are miserable, and so are all amputees. Maybe the spark is gone (if it was ever there), but that's what separates long-term relationships from flings.

And what, is she supposed to abandon her family because her husband is too nice to her? Because he was raised a bit too traditionally? Because he messes up sometimes? Her children would hate her forever, and they'd deserve to, because she abandoned them and a decent man who loves her...to do what? Go chase women like she did when she was a teenager with two legs and delusions of invincibility?

How can she go fight the Dark Queen? What good is she with one leg? She can't even hold a job, much less fight.

Besides, last time they were at their peak and still got torn apart. This time she has a family to think of, something her old friends wouldn't, couldn't ever understand. Her kids would grow up without a mother and only know that she was found dead in a ditch in a city she never should have been in in the first place.



It's so much more complicated and so much more interesting if Riley's husband is just a man who means well but is smothering her out of ignorance. It plays into the themes I mentioned above, helps highlight that bad relationships don't always come with screaming and violence, and points out that sometimes finding happiness means everyone is going to think you're the villain.
 
If there was a clear and present danger, if the Team were actually under attack, it would be simple. It's easy to justify uprooting your life or reforging old bonds to combat a threat that is physically in front of you. It's easier to get whipped back into shape if you are being pushed and challenged.

See here's the corollary to it all being for nothing. It leads to basically: "It's lucky that it was all made up - the Butterflies are all used up"

I don't see the argument of "if there's an actual threat it's easy" as actually taking into account the setup. Especially as the characters are actively treating it as a threat.

They are horribly scarred in different ways but the story doesn't treat them as paranoid idiots. Winding up the cast, them actively worrying about how they'll win without Esme, with the cast realizing that Brigid can't fight no matter how much she wants to.

Surprise it was all for no reason at all is... Incredibly mean-spirited narratively speaking. More pain, fear and just throwing everything together ... For nothing.

The question being asked right now is "How do the Butterflies deal with a threat with one member assumed dead, another medically incapable who just gave a solid indication of being unable to muscle through it, one having two children dependent on her" and that is only a partial list.

And if the answer is: "They can't, their best days ended when they were teenagers as Butterflies" then it's the narrative saying that Eve shouldn't have brought them back on that day. And I don't see this story doing that.

I could see it all being Eve overreacting if the fighting is treated as glamorous. But it's not. It is the fighting that hurt them.

We're also being shown the transformations - Ward tarnished, Sage with cracked armour and tattered uniform, Spark broken with wires between her metal plates in the very quick bit we saw.

We see the Butterflies in a broken state when they transform - if they stay in that state throughout what is the point? That we're seeing those transformations so soon leads me to think we're going to see the adults transform again eventually: Not the same as they were, still battered and scarred but not lesser to who they are before.

It's so much more complicated and so much more interesting if Riley's husband is just a man who means well but is smothering her out of ignorance.

I truly do not understand why members of the audience keep giving Grant the benefit of the doubt.

1. The characters are merely thinking of him as foisting the work of raising the kids onto Riley and the ongoing setup so far is that the others do realize that something is wrong, but are vastly underestimating it and if they knew they'd drag themselves over by hook or by crook to help.

But they don't, so they keep burying themselves and trying to dig themselves out because everyone else is hurting, so they can't ask for help from anyone else.

2. The complaint against Grant specifically is that he leaves the labor of raising the kids to Riley. To the point that uh, the kids safety is not a factor in it.

More of the same, just at a lakeside cottage," Brigid observed quietly.

"I somehow doubt Grant is going to be more hands-on due to the proximity of water, yes," Kimiyo agreed darkly

3. Riley shutting things down and running is set up distinctly to not be mother running off because Timmy is poking a fork into an electrical socket.

"Hey everyone, sorry I'm late, Finn was crying because I turned on the TV after he handed me the remote, which apparently was the wrong thing to do? Who knows. Also, sorry to start with this, but did you see they're making a movie of us?" she asked. She was smiling, but the exhaustion you'd expect from a mother of two young children was coupled with a nervous energy you hopefully wouldn't. She kept glancing up over the top of the laptop, and you weren't sure if it was because she was keeping an eye on the kids or the door.

I honestly can't tell if I'm just accustomed to characters with trauma responses/problematic characters with good PR and so just are recognizing these (rightfully or wrongly) as red flags that in a best case scenario where it is a horrible misunderstanding must be explained away or if people are giving the guy the benefit of the doubt because <sarcasm> the most plausible explanation for multiple individuals over several years to be in agreement of not liking the guy is them being judgemental gossipy hens</sarcasm> .
 
I truly do not understand why members of the audience keep giving Grant the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah I think it's weird, too. If nothing else it's implied that Riley is only with him out of comphet, so I want her to get as far away from him as possible.

Also he was introduced as owning a small business which should be a huge indicator that he's a freak.
 
Yeah I think it's weird, too. If nothing else it's implied that Riley is only with him out of comphet, so I want her to get as far away from him as possible.
What are the odds that Riley's parents are very not okay with her being gay? Like the loss of her legs and her reaction to it would be framed very differently if it was her way out.

Athletics means scholarships, sponsorships, and even if a pittance compared to big name male athletes good money.
 
Grant doesn't even have to be particularly evil or whatever to be mundanely shitty and a poor spouse who should not be married to Riley for a variety of reasons, and also yeah abusive relationships are perfectly mundane and commonplace as well, either way is not good for Riley or for her children in the long run.
 
Grant doesn't even have to be particularly evil or whatever to be mundanely shitty and a poor spouse who should not be married to Riley for a variety of reasons, and also yeah abusive relationships are perfectly mundane and commonplace as well, either way is not good for Riley or for her children in the long run.
To me the one of the disturbingly mundane possibilities is that they only have one car.
 
To me the one of the disturbingly mundane possibilities is that they only have one car.

Can't tell if you mean issues are resulting from only one car or controlling relationship compounded with only having one car.

The first can have a happy relationship - it's not like being relatively poor means someone can't have a good marriage. There are also ways to share a vehicle, lots of communication and possibly some help from friends and colleagues. Though I am reminded again of the reason that this entire thing is setting my teeth on edge - because it'd probably make more sense for Riley to default to the one with the car. Running errands, dropping the kids off to school and appointments. Just drop off the husband at work and pick him up after.

1950s 1960s unpaid household labor to keep the house in shape running around stuff gets more use than the guy at the job site for 8 hours. Especially as Riley is physically powerful enough that her loading supplies at Lowe's and driving them over to the construction site makes sense when she's not keeping a direct eye on the kids/they're in car seats waving hi to Dad through the car windows. (There's a lot of ways to have a positively adorable and loving family despite disability and financial hardship... Just, nothing is adding up to that here)

The second .. sounds right. They can afford lakeside vacations and Riley being a stay at home mother. It can be difficult to be having two car payments but the mobility thing does make it worth a lot to families.

It keeps coming to the tone set of Riley apparently hiding she's in communication with her friends from Grant. That level of control is a stupidly bad sign.
 
I meant the second. Because the first isn't actually that likely from the circumstances that we know of as Grant owns his own construction company. This means not only are they likely to have a decent amount of money, but having a truck would be something justified as a business expense and could be owned by Grant's company.
 
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I meant the second. Because the first isn't actually that likely from the circumstances that we know of as Grant owns his own construction company. This means not only are they likely to have a decent amount of money, but having a truck would be something justified as a business expense and could be owned by Grant's company.

Yeah.

The first is a difficulty but that wouldn't be a problem with the marriage itself.

There's a delightful slice of life dramedy setup with a disabled retired magical girl with a prosthetic loading up the truck bed with supplies before driving it to her trans wife's worksite, the kids happily waving from the backseat when they get there.

Having the only vehicle the family has be a truck wouldn't be the easiest thing but it's doable.

But yeah - we're on the same page
 
the long drive in his car under the night sky (he had a car!)
I was a bit of a shut-in during my high school days, was having a car attractive somehow, or was this just a callback to how Rose didn't have a car? Is it that you have some privacy in a car and you can drive off somewhere to make out? I'm somewhere on the gray-ace spectrum and didn't realize people were kissing as like, a full date activity until two people snuck off to make out at high school graduation.

She was just a normal girl, but Melvin made her feel like royalty.
And this is when I realized this was definitely shady mind control romance, which seems to happen a lot. Does Eve become queen of the world because everyone important develops a huge crush on her or-

"Y-yeah. I'm okay," she said, brushing her hair back behind her ear. "No, no wait. I'm not. I want to kiss you!"

He stared at her, deer in the headlights.

"O-oh," he said, his voice small. "Isn't it a bit too soon for that? I thought-"
My first thought was "oh hey, they demon-metal robot is weirdly polite and also asexual, maybe they're amoral rather than evil-

"I told you to stop doing this, it's so creepy! You said she agreed!"
Oh, nope, he's just an alien! That's a thing they have, okay. But also, what the fuck King Kuiper, why does this sound like a good idea. How do you know she's a princess? Is there a metaphysical realm of light that she's the chosen one of?
Or is this a clever metaphor about how Current Riley might as well be an Alien to her friends, now?
I figured that they might call up the aliens for travel, considering they're stuck in England, their passports aren't really valid, and he foes have a car/spaceship.
 
for those wondering this flashback marks the beginning of Team Butterfly Season 2. it was a weird 12 episodes of dealing with alien stuff that had nothing to do with the main plot but you have to understand they had to let the manga catch up
 
for those wondering this flashback marks the beginning of Team Butterfly Season 2. it was a weird 12 episodes of dealing with alien stuff that had nothing to do with the main plot but you have to understand they had to let the manga catch up
Literally the only plot relevant thing that happens during that entire 13 episode arc is that everybody gets thier memories and powers back. Also it gives Mamoru an anime only extra persona as Moonloght Knight presumably based on him playing way too much Prince of Persia as child.
 
for those wondering this flashback marks the beginning of Team Butterfly Season 2. it was a weird 12 episodes of dealing with alien stuff that had nothing to do with the main plot but you have to understand they had to let the manga catch up

That is interesting because there's a lack of Esme in the bit we saw so she joined much later relatively
 
Literally the only plot relevant thing that happens during that entire 13 episode arc is that everybody gets thier memories and powers back. Also it gives Mamoru an anime only extra persona as Moonloght Knight presumably based on him playing way too much Prince of Persia as child.
iirc this is actually some kind of insane reference to a japanese TV show from the 70s?

i wonder what weird getup Prince Rose was rocking in Eve's absence.
 
On the bright side we are getting more and more people together despite the difficulties of real life transportation and real life obligations. Just need to hope it enough to mend themselves before it too late.
 
Actually, does Grant know that Riley is Butterfly Heart?
 
On the bright side we are getting more and more people together despite the difficulties of real life transportation and real life obligations. Just need to hope it enough to mend themselves before it too late.
I mean you got to remember the main thrust of the story. Sometimes people need help, you don't have to do it all alone.

So, in the end Eve will have to make a phone call, be really convincing, and then Silicon Valley goes up in atomic flame.
Thanks Obama.
 
sorry for the delay on the next update; i'm shuffling around some stuff in my outline to account for how things have been paced so far

(basically, the outline was super lean and plot focused, then chapter 4, whose summary was super bare-bones comparatively, ended up being longer than average by just embracing indulgent characterization and like… no shit? it's inspired by the sailor moon anime? of course that's where it flows.)
 
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